Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote
> > > I"m not a gnome user as of yet, but I can tell you that the day is
> > > coming (Gnome 3.8 I believe) when gnome will not work without PA,
> > > so you will have to install it if you want newer Gnome.
> >
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 28/04/2013 18:11, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> What we complain about here is basic low-level software changes that
>>> > affect much more than just their own little universe, and will do it ON
>>> > ALL LINUX MACHINES NOW AND IN THE FU
On Sunday 28 Apr 2013 18:12:49 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 28/04/2013 18:11, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >> What we complain about here is basic low-level software changes that
> >>
> >> > affect much more than just their own little universe, and will do it
> >> > ON ALL LINUX MACHINES NOW AND IN T
On 28/04/2013 18:11, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> What we complain about here is basic low-level software changes that
>> > affect much more than just their own little universe, and will do it ON
>> > ALL LINUX MACHINES NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.
> The source is out there NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. If the
Randy,
I don't want to continue rehashing the whole thread, as you and I are
essentially in agreement.
I do want to take this opportunity to highlight something we techies
overlook almost all the time:
We are human, and humans are not logical. We do not run on bash scripts
and don't have a CPU i
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 28/04/2013 02:24, Randy Barlow wrote:
>> The project that I work on does not "force" you to use MongoDB. However,
>> if you wish you make use of my project in the way it was intended to be
>> used without modifications, you will need to us
On Sun, 2013-04-28 at 11:59 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> You don't say what your project is, but reading between the lines I
> think it's safe to assume it's a somewhat niche project with specific
> goals that solves a specific problem, right?
This is true (I almost typed True. That's what happen
On 28/04/2013 02:24, Randy Barlow wrote:
> The project that I work on does not "force" you to use MongoDB. However,
> if you wish you make use of my project in the way it was intended to be
> used without modifications, you will need to use MongoDB. It's a hard
> dependency. Nobody is forcing you t
On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 15:13 -0500, Dale wrote:
> I dealt with udev too. I switched to something that doesn't force me to
> chose having /usr on / or having a init thingy. Since I switched, I can
> have /usr on its own partition and not have a init thingy. Having
> options worked very well. Not
Randy Barlow wrote:
> <>
> I will divulge that I happen to like Gnome and PulseAudio, and so
> consider me biased. I did find the /usr thing with udev to be kind of
> inconvenient since I did happen to have a separate /usr, but I dealt
> with it and am grateful to have a free udev that I can use.
>
I've been a little surprised at some of the posts in this thread. As
some others have pointed out, I do not believe it is fair to state that
anyone is forcing you to use any particular software (such as
PulseAudio, or udev), as it is your choice to use Linux or not in the
first place. Why do these
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> 'evening, Mark.
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:41:01PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
>> > In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is
>> > for
>> >
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> We know what we Gentoo users think of Lennart.
Speak for yourself, Walter. Many Gentoo users, like me and many others
than don't participate in the shouting contest this list sometimes is,
don't think bad of Lennart, and we happily use the p
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> Thanks, it really doesn't look like forcing.
> On the higher level, there must be some politics going on; that's also not
> forcing, but politics. On the lower level (that of users) one's always got
> the worst case to demonstrate there's
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> If GNOME has to support PA and non-pa systems, they need to code,
>> test, support and bug-fix 2 different sets of of systems. If they need
>> to support ConsoleKit and logind, the number grows to 4 (PA/ck,
>> PA/logind, non-PA/ck, non-PA/l
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 04:50:43PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Alan McKinnon
> wrote:
> > And you are vastly overstating the desirability of having pulseaudio
> > enforced on users without very good cause
> How much barefaced lying can you do in one sentence?
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 09:38:26PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote
>
> When trying to hunt down a thread to let a guy on the OpenBSD list
> know about Gnome 3.8 hard deps on pulseaudio. I came across this
> sarcasm about a comment by Lennart from a fairly prominent dev that
> adds to the idea of arrog
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hi, Canek.
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
>> Hi Alan.
>
>> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> >> On
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 04:34:03PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote
> YES it is entirely about a few megabytes you don't like. A few
> megabytes that OTHER people choose to put on THEIR computers to NO
> effect on yours. Even your sig betrays your bias.
I don't go around telling other people what
> > the
> > solution (in the GNOME developers view) is not to "remove PA", since
> > the goal of the project is to cover *ALL* use cases.
>
> I don't know the details of the pulseaudio implementation but I have a
> hunch the problem boils down to blind arrogance and ignorance on the
> part of th
Hi, Canek.
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 02:09:46PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hi Alan.
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> [snip]
> the
> solution (in the GNOME developers view) is not to "remove PA", since
> the goal of the project is to cover *ALL* use cases.
I don't know the details of the pulseaudio implementation but I have a
hunch the problem boils down to blind arrogance and ignorance on the
part of the roots of the p
On 26.04.2013 22:25, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[ snip ]
You do realize that Lennart hasn't been the maintainer of PulseAudio
since *BEFORE* the 1.0 release? And that now it has in fact many
contributors, and they just released 3.0 in December and are getting
ready to release 4.0? And that system
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> 'afternoon, Canek!
Hi Alan.
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for
'afternoon, Canek!
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:02:38PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [snip]
> > Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for Gnome
> >>=3.8. That may not be 100% of users, but the "forced" is certa
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> On 26.04.2013 19:41, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is
>>> for
>>> me on my computers.
>>
>>
>> Yes,
On 26.04.2013 19:41, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for
me on my computers.
Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and reread this thread,
though, and you'll get the i
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[snip]
> Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for Gnome
>>=3.8. That may not be 100% of users, but the "forced" is certainly
> there.
No one is forcing nothing on anyone, since nobody is forcing no one to
use GNOME,
'evening, Mark.
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:41:01PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> > In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for
> > me on my computers.
> Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and re
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> In the end, I humbly believe it's up to me to judge what effect there is for
> me on my computers.
Yes, that's exactly the point. Scroll up and reread this thread,
though, and you'll get the impression that some complainers seem to
think
On 26/04/2013 10:50, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>> "It does no harm and might be useful for some" is simply not a valid
>> > reason to enforce a package on all users, especially when said package
>> > is the latest johnny-come-lately from a wunderkind with a proven
>> > reputation for writing invasiv
On 26.04.2013 16:56, Yohan Pereira wrote:
On 26/04/13 at 04:05pm, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
There may be a wagon of reasons why I don't like it, from its name to
its author's coding style to my experience with it 175 years ago, and
for me these are all fair reasons.
Woah poettering wrote softwar
On 26/04/13 at 04:05pm, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> There may be a wagon of reasons why I don't like it, from its name to
> its author's coding style to my experience with it 175 years ago, and
> for me these are all fair reasons.
Woah poettering wrote software that ran on this thing ? if so He j
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> On 04/20/2013 05:34 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:28:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
>>
>
> [snip]
>
>>> If you need it, PA can be great. Not everyone needs or wants it, many
>>> people are quite content to just carry on
On 26.04.2013 12:34, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
YES it is entirely about a few megabytes you don't like. A few
megabytes that OTHER people choose to put on THEIR computers to NO
effect on yours.
YES it is entirely about a software I don't like. If other people choose
to like the software is the
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> And you are vastly overstating the desirability of having pulseaudio
> enforced on users without very good cause
How much barefaced lying can you do in one sentence?
1) it's not enforced _on you_. USE=-pulse
2) bluetooth headset goes in, audi
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:48:07PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote
>> Analogy:
>> 99% of people aren't going to need a11y. But the whole point of
>> installing it by default on most desktop systems is that you can't
>> predict who will need it,
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> On 25.04.2013 19:48, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Walter Dnes
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think you've hit the nail on the head. Complex setups require
>>> complex software... deal with it. An analogy is that
On 25/04/2013 17:48, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> I think you've hit the nail on the head. Complex setups require
>> complex software... deal with it. An analogy is that an 18-wheeler
>> semi-tractor trailer with a 17-speed manual transmissi
Am 25.04.2013 22:10, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
>> Am 23.04.2013 22:59, schrieb William Hubbs:
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
> scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soo
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:48:07PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote
> Analogy:
> 99% of people aren't going to need a11y. But the whole point of
> installing it by default on most desktop systems is that you can't
> predict who will need it,
> and _it does not harm_ (or very little harm) > to the pe
> Am 23.04.2013 22:59, schrieb William Hubbs:
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> >>> Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
> >>> scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike
> >>> udev...)
> >>
> >> Of course f
On 25.04.2013 19:48, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Walter Dnes
wrote:
I think you've hit the nail on the head. Complex setups require
complex software... deal with it. An analogy is that an
18-wheeler semi-tractor trailer with a 17-speed manual transmission
(plus a
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> I think you've hit the nail on the head. Complex setups require
> complex software... deal with it. An analogy is that an 18-wheeler
> semi-tractor trailer with a 17-speed manual transmission (plus air brakes
> that require months of traini
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Alecks Gates wrote:
> Not that it likely affects a lot of people, but pulseaudio can
> transmit sound over the network to other pulseaudio servers -- a
> possible use case I can think of are media centers, though I'm sure
> there's more. There's even a guy streami
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> Hello, William.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 03:59:54PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > > > Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
> > > > scop
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:46:12PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote
>
> > >> Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo
> > >> users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough
> > >> to be a
Hello, William.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 03:59:54PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > > Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
> > > scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike
> >
Am 24.04.2013 04:46, schrieb Walter Dnes:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote
>
Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo
users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough
to be able to do that *easily* w
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote
> >> Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo
> >> users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough
> >> to be able to do that *easily* whilst keeping packages they want,
> >> especia
Am 23.04.2013 22:59, schrieb William Hubbs:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>>> Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
>>> scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike
>>> udev...)
>>
>> Of course from many threa
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
> > scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike
> > udev...)
>
> Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo
>
Hi, Neil.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 05:00:17PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:24:25 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > I'm on 13.0/desktop/kde profile. It isn't included here either.
> I've just checked and it doesn't appear to be enabled in any of the
> profiles, which makes me wonder
Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:24:25 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> I'm on 13.0/desktop/kde profile. It isn't included here either.
>
> I've just checked and it doesn't appear to be enabled in any of the
> profiles, which makes me wonder what anyone is complaining about...
>
>
That was m
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:24:25 -0500, Dale wrote:
> I'm on 13.0/desktop/kde profile. It isn't included here either.
I've just checked and it doesn't appear to be enabled in any of the
profiles, which makes me wonder what anyone is complaining about...
--
Neil Bothwick
If there is light at the
Mick wrote:
>
>
> I guess that the gnome/kde make.profiles may include this USE flag in
their
> defaults?
>
>
I'm on 13.0/desktop/kde profile. It isn't included here either.
<>
local use flags (searching: pulseaudio)
no matching entrie
On Sunday 21 Apr 2013 11:28:56 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:15:49 -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > So normal systems require PA. That *you* perhaps don't require PA is
> > another thing altogether.
>
> I think the important point from the original post, which appears to have
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:15:49 -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> So normal systems require PA. That *you* perhaps don't require PA is
> another thing altogether.
I think the important point from the original post, which appears to have
been lost, is that removing PA is a trivial (by Gentoo standa
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Folk like Canek have complex setups that would drive me insane. I'm more
> than happy to fiddle with all that on my HTPC and home audio system, but
> never on my laptop.
I'm pretty sure having a USB external harddrive was, at some point, a
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 05:34:14 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> Similarly, PulseAudio may be better at handling complex situations
> like you describe. The yelling and screaming you're hearing are from
> the 99% of people whose setups are not complex enough to justify
> PulseAudio. Making 100% of set
sorry for breaking in... a very interesting discussion :)
On 20.04.2013 19:41, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> ...
But back to audio. My needs are simplistic - all sound goes through the
laptop speakers and I need one global volume knob. When a headset is
plugged into the 3.5mm jack, all sound goes there
On 20/04/2013 11:34, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> If you need it, PA can be great. Not everyone needs or wants it, many
>> > people are quite content to just carry on as they always did and aren't
>> > fazed with minor niggles about their audio. You seem to fall in this
>> > category, so do many others.
On 04/20/2013 05:34 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:28:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
>
[snip]
>> If you need it, PA can be great. Not everyone needs or wants it, many
>> people are quite content to just carry on as they always did and aren't
>> fazed with minor niggles abou
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:28:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
> Audio apps tend to not be aware of the environment they run in, and not
> be aware of what you want to happen with the sound. A bluetooth app has
> no real way of knowing you want incoming phone calls to be sent to a
> headset, to use
Am 19.04.2013 23:06, schrieb Mark David Dumlao:
> Many bluetooth headsets have 2 modes of operation. There's a telephony
> mode, which allows for audio in and out, and there's a high quality
> audio mode, which only allows audio out. Very likely that you need to
> set the playback to telephony
On Sat 20 Apr 2013 04:36:34 AM PHT, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 19.04.2013 15:43, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>
>> Take a look at this:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/photos/115256116066287398549/albums/5778609034682831121/5778849461325756466
>>
>> That's me selecting with a click of the mouse
Am 19.04.2013 15:43, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> Take a look at this:
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/115256116066287398549/albums/5778609034682831121/5778849461325756466
>
> That's me selecting with a click of the mouse if I want to use Skype
> with the analog speakers from my laptop, or
Am 19.04.2013 00:02, schrieb Michael Mol:
> On 04/18/2013 05:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 18.04.2013 23:10, schrieb Michael Mol:
> [snip]
>
>>> Do you say that because you've tested the various orders and know
>>> that one application will not conflict with another if started
>>> before
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> I've just removed pulseaudio from my main Gentoo system. Why? Several
> reasons:
>
> (i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What does
> it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary la
Sound started working in Counter-Strike 1.6 only after i installed PA
> Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any
> scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike
> udev...)
Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo
users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough
to be
On 18/04/2013 21:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Gentoo.
>
> I've just removed pulseaudio from my main Gentoo system. Why? Several
> reasons:
>
> (i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What does
> it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat
On 04/18/2013 05:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 18.04.2013 23:10, schrieb Michael Mol:
[snip]
>> Do you say that because you've tested the various orders and know
>> that one application will not conflict with another if started
>> before that, or do you say that because you've never not
> >> I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons.
> >>
> > Name one.
> >
> fat, slow and buggy. Do you need more? If I really had an application
> that I must use and is windows only - I would install windows. That
> is a lot quicker and less painful than that wine crapfest shitting
> all over
Am 18.04.2013 23:10, schrieb Michael Mol:
> On 04/18/2013 04:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol:
>>> On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol:
> [snip]
>
> My particular discovery was that if I
On 04/18/2013 05:28 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>>> ...
>>> (i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What
>>> does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary
>>> layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel.
>>
>> If you don't understand the term "soun
On 04/18/2013 04:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol:
>> On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol:
[snip]
My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then
launched a
Am 18.04.2013 22:02, schrieb Stroller:
> On 18 April 2013, at 20:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> ...
>> (i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What does
>> it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat
>> between sound applications and the kernel.
> If
Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol:
> On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol:
>>> On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged
pa an
'evening, Stroller.
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 09:02:36PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
> On 18 April 2013, at 20:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > ...
> > (i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What does
> > it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat
> > bet
> > ...
> > (i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What
> > does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary
> > layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel.
>
> If you don't understand the term "sound server" you probably
> shouldn't be using Gen
On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol:
>> On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged
>>> pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which
On 18 April 2013, at 20:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> ...
> (i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What does
> it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat
> between sound applications and the kernel.
If you don't understand the term "sound server"
Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol:
> On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged
>> pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it.
>>
>> Surprisingly, everything still works. I no
On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[snip]
> So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged
> pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it.
>
> Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds from
> my news streams. :
Hello, Gentoo.
I've just removed pulseaudio from my main Gentoo system. Why? Several
reasons:
(i) It's a "sound server", a description I don't understand. What does
it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat
between sound applications and the kernel.
(ii) I was ha
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