Re: [Geotools-devel] Expunge Jalopy from developer docs?

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
I have reworded the Coding Conventions page ...- it documents Sun conventions plus 100 cols and the header - Under a section call Tools that can help it has instructions for Eclipse and Jalopy On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.comwrote: Fair enough kill it On

[Geotools-devel] PMD?

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
The section on naming recommends the PMD tool; these days I use Find Bugz which is another static analysis tool which seems a bit more active. Jody On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.com wrote: I have reworded the Coding Conventions page ...- it documents Sun

Re: [Geotools-devel] Expunge Jalopy from developer docs?

2009-02-04 Thread Andrea Aime
Jody Garnett ha scritto: I have reworded the Coding Conventions page ... - it documents Sun conventions plus 100 cols and the header - Under a section call Tools that can help it has instructions for Eclipse and Jalopy Except that jalopy maven plugin should be included in the section tools

Re: [Geotools-devel] Expunge Jalopy from developer docs?

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
In the interest of not retreading old ground I have added a section on the dangers of reformatting code. The section is called Use of Formatting Tools - Danger Danger Danger Cheers Andrea Andrea Aime wrote: Jody Garnett ha scritto: I have reworded the Coding Conventions page ... - it

Re: [Geotools-devel] Report on geotidy work

2009-02-04 Thread Martin Desruisseaux
Jesse Eichar a écrit : I second that. Thanks for the update. On 4-Feb-09, at 12:46 AM, Michael Bedward wrote: Many thanks for this and the other updates Martin My pleasure :). I was unsure if it was of interrest or not. Martin

Re: [Geotools-devel] Report on geotidy work

2009-02-04 Thread andrea antonello
I second that. Thanks for the update. On 4-Feb-09, at 12:46 AM, Michael Bedward wrote: Many thanks for this and the other updates Martin My pleasure :). I was unsure if it was of interrest or not. :) we are anxiously waiting for every update from this side. So yes, very interested.

[Geotools-devel] GeoTools 2.6-M2 Released

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
Available here: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/2.6-M1 -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code

[Geotools-devel] Help Reviewing An Unsupported Module

2009-02-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I think I've got an unsupported module put together for my GPX2 code. The last thing I have to do today is format the source code to GeoTools standards using Jallopy. I'm going to try to do this today at lunch. Would someone have a few minutes to review my module set-up next week before I try to

[Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
In the next month or two I'd like to attempt to add some support for reprojection of vector data using an existing Java CRS library. I'm trying to decide between the library in deegree and the library in GeoTools. Aside from the other technical arguments for choosing the CRS code in GeoTools over

[Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
I'm sure I'm about to throw open the lid to Pandora's Box. Before I start asking my questions and presenting my ideas let me say that this message is meant to be helpful and not critical. I proceed with the realization that I may have no idea what I am talking about. So, casting the fear of making

Re: [Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Martin Desruisseaux
Hello Landon If you stick to GeoAPI interfaces, there is no change. Both GeoTools and Geotidy implement the same set of interfaces. This also means that you can try a library and switch to the other without any change in your code. If you use directly GeoTools implementation classes, most of

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Martin Desruisseaux
Hello Landon Maven is difficult and unfortunatly not bug free. But I'm not aware of much alternative... The goal was to allow developper to just invoke mvn install from the root and get everything built, including dependencies. Part of current difficulties is that our Maven configuration got

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Adrian Custer
Hey, Maven rocks, it gets the job done, it is vastly easier than any alternative, and is comparatively a pure joy. There is quite simply zero chance that the use of maven would be changed. Learning maven is hard because what it is doing is immensely complex not because maven is hard as far a

[Geotools-devel] [jira] Created: (GEOT-2322) Add binding for ows:ExtendedCapabilities

2009-02-04 Thread JIRA
Add binding for ows:ExtendedCapabilities Key: GEOT-2322 URL: http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/GEOT-2322 Project: GeoTools Issue Type: Bug Components: ext xml-xsd Reporter:

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Adrian wrote: Maven rocks, it gets the job done, it is vastly easier than any alternative, and is comparatively a pure joy. I guess I was looking for something a little more conrete and specific. Maven rocks is an more like a feeling, and I definitely don't feel that Maven rocks. Adrian wrote:

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Martin Desruisseaux
GeoTools 1 was using Ant if my memory serves me right. Ant could has been considered an alternative to Maven. But the fact that Maven injects some standardization (standard directories, standard build phase) was considered a good point since it brings a bit of uniformity. But above all, the

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
It looks like I'm loosing this battle. :] Thank you for giving me the opportunity to present my ideas. Landon On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Desruisseaux martin.desruisse...@geomatys.fr wrote: GeoTools 1 was using Ant if my memory serves me right. Ant could has been considered an

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Adrian Custer
Hey, Honestly, you are so far off the mark that it's not worth discussing. Geotools needs a build tool. You say a Java project doesn't need to have a build tool and experience says otherwise. Not using a build tool would be plain idiotic. Any reasonably sized project has a build tool. So look

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools 2.6-M2 Released

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
M1 :-) Good thing I only announced to the developers list. Jody Adrian Custer wrote: M1 or M2? --adrian On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 21:40 +1100, Jody Garnett wrote: Available here: http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/2.6-M1

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
My understanding of the value of maven is threefold: - we have a lot of dependencies and it is a great tool for managing that (I understand that ant can now use the repository system as well) - it allows us to isolate the code into little modules; each of which has a module maintainer (this had

Re: [Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
Martin Desruisseaux wrote: In addition I commited myself to help with the port of Geotidy to Java 5 so it can be used with GeoTools. So Geotidy may be back to Geotools if the community wants it. But it can't be back now because not enough functionalities are ready. I may propose

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
Heh - it is not a battle. As with any open source project is it a discussion (hopefully in code). To add fuel to a slightly different fire - the maven plugin system is magic to the point of being unstable. There is a branch of maven that hard codes the plugins used so you can get repeatable

Re: [Geotools-devel] Help Reviewing An Unsupported Module

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
We have had some problems with Jalopy (mostly line feed handling on different platforms) - as such Ben and Andrea had me take it out of the developers guide. I have included eclipse codeformatter and template instructions - do you use eclipse? If you are using NetBeans can I ask you to follow

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Bedward
Hi Landon, I feel your pain :-) I confess that I found maven confusing, intimidating and frustrating when I started using Geotools last year. On top of coming to grips with Java (new language for me) and Geotools (a mighty wide, deep and sometimes murky ocean), this maven thing looked like the

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
Yep this is what I like healthy discussion. Michael you mentioned a gaps in the docs; can we fill them in? I hate blog-panning for the golden nugget of information. I would like to strip out the maven 1 references in the developers guide (as they just add noise by this stage). Martin also

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Sunburned Surveyor wrote: It seems that Maven is tightly integrated into GeoTools. I am wondering what benefits this provides to the GeoTools project, and if these benefits outweigh the costs. Maven is terrible. It is complex, fragile, and poorly documented. The only thing worse than using

Re: [Geotools-devel] IRC One step at a time

2009-02-04 Thread Simone Giannecchini
Ciao Jody, thanks for the info and efforts, we have been missing you. You are talking about informal IRC meeting, what about the formal IRC meeting? Honestly, I am not 100% sure that a weekly IRC meeting is what we really need, I guess we need something similar to what GDAL does ( see

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Bedward
2009/2/5 Jody Garnett wrote: Michael you mentioned a gaps in the docs; can we fill them in? I meant the maven docs Jody - but I'd be happy to help out with updating the maven references in the geotools docs 2009/2/5 Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: The only thing worse than using Maven is not using

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Bedward
2009/2/5 Sunburned Surveyor wrote: I suppose the best solution would be for someone like me to become an expert Maven user, so I could then be the point person for non-maven contributors to the Geotools library. That would solve two (2) problems at once: (1) You guys wouldn't have to hear me

Re: [Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Bedward
Some of us are going to be stuck with Java 5 for a while yet. Michael -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
Michael Bedward wrote: 2009/2/5 Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: The only thing worse than using Maven is not using Maven. Was that in homage to Oscar Wilde or Monty Python (or both) ? Wilde, I think: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/39714.html -- Ben Caradoc-Davies ben.caradoc-dav...@csiro.au

Re: [Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
Do tell - I am trying to sort out what the market will look like for GeoTools; we were stuck at the Java 1.3 mark for years waiting on Java Enterprise Edition developers ... are we going to be caught in a similar trap? Jody Michael Bedward wrote: Some of us are going to be stuck with Java 5

Re: [Geotools-devel] GeoTools and Maven

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Bedward
2009/2/5 Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: Wilde, I think: http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/39714.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXW6tfl2Y0 Michael -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with

Re: [Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Bedward
2009/2/5 Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.com: Do tell - I am trying to sort out what the market will look like for GeoTools; we were stuck at the Java 1.3 mark for years waiting on Java Enterprise Edition developers ... are we going to be caught in a similar trap? Certain Australian state

Re: [Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Jody Garnett
Bleck - good think I am asking then :P My understanding was Java 6 was now available for the mac; although perhaps it is included with the latest operating system? - http://developer.apple.com/java/ Jody On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Michael Bedward michael.bedw...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/2/5

Re: [Geotools-devel] Using CRS code in GeoTools/GeoTidy

2009-02-04 Thread Michael Bedward
2009/2/5 Jody Garnett jody.garn...@gmail.com: Bleck - good think I am asking then :P My understanding was Java 6 was now available for the mac; although perhaps it is included with the latest operating system? - http://developer.apple.com/java/ Yep, OSX 10.5.x but ONLY on their recent 64-bit