Re: [Gimp-developer] Missing layer features

2005-06-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 25.06.2005, at 11:53, Sven Neumann wrote: You could start by making a nice proposal, perhaps including a mockup of how the user interface for this should look like and how it should behave. I guess Pedro has seen the Photoshop interface which does pretty much that (and more). Servus,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Re: GIMP and multiple processors

2005-03-07 Thread Daniel Egger
On 03.03.2005, at 20:09, GSR - FR wrote: With your idea, calculating the full 3000*3000 with a depth of 3 is like calculating 9000*9000 (81 million pixels in RGB, 243*10^6 bytes plus overhead) and in time it should be 9 times the 3000*3000 non adaptive version plus the scale operation. To avoid

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Re: GIMP and multiple processors

2005-03-02 Thread Daniel Egger
On 02.03.2005, at 00:23, GSR - FR wrote: Yes, radial rainbow hoop gradient (linear 6 pixel to right sawtooth) without supersampling it paints mostly red and with it shows the muddy colour mix you would get if you render big and scale down:

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GIMP and multiple processors

2005-03-02 Thread Daniel Egger
On 02.03.2005, at 13:29, Sven Neumann wrote: Sorry, but I don't see your point. It has been show that supersampling makes sense for some corner cases. It is off by default and users can activate it in case they run into one of the corner cases. Of course it could be faster but where's your

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Re: GIMP and multiple processors

2005-03-02 Thread Daniel Egger
On 02.03.2005, at 20:22, GSR - FR wrote: IOW, supersampling is nice for the small set of cases in which it really matters, otherwise it is going to be slower always. Of course, it is going to be faster in many cases than full sampling and scaling down. If anybody figures a better method than user

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: GIMP and multiple processors

2005-03-01 Thread Daniel Egger
On 01.03.2005, at 16:42, GSR - FR wrote: GSR (?) already gave such an example. It might be worth considering only supersampling when the end of a segment is a different color than the start of the next one. Supersampling is to avoid aliasing, which is not caused only by those discontinuities but

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-28 Thread Daniel Egger
On 28.02.2005, at 21:15, Sven Neumann wrote: Since supersampling is in libgimpcolor, it will probably be difficult to improve without breaking backwards compatibility. But of course noone forces us to actually use the functionality in libgimpcolor... But, and this is one of many upsides of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 02:55, Manish Singh wrote: Only to those containing sources which refer to automatically generated headers, about 3 or 4. No, we should add it to all of them. Agreed. Consistency is good. In fact, it already *is* in some of them. So here's what I'm currently doing. I took the 4

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 03:09, Manish Singh wrote: But that's still not the cure for all possible problems that may arise by moving the header (e.g. from app to libfoo). Anyway, that's better than nothing... There's no getting around updating the Makefile.am for that. With your naive solution, it

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 01:04, Sven Neumann wrote: I have eliminated last_visited from the gradient struct. Instead the caller of gimp_gradient_get_color_at() may now do the same optimization without any caching in the gradient itself. I very much doubt that this makes any difference though. Perhaps if

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 14:31, Sven Neumann wrote: Dithering makes heavy use of GRand and as long as the random number generator is shared between the threads... I wonder if it actually makes sense to add the overhead of per-thread data initialization or if we should rather replace the use of a random

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 15:19, Sven Neumann wrote: It is called once per tile. Your approach probably makes sense as long as don't use g_rand_new() but g_rand_new_with_seed(). g_rand_new() initializes the random number generator from /dev/urandom which is probably too expensive to be done once per

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 15:19, Sven Neumann wrote: It is called once per tile. Your approach probably makes sense as long as don't use g_rand_new() but g_rand_new_with_seed(). g_rand_new() initializes the random number generator from /dev/urandom which is probably too expensive to be done once per

[Gimp-developer] [Patch] Speed up blending code

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
Hija, this is my suggested patch for getting the speeds improvements as mentioned in the other thread by having a thread-local PRNG initialized with a seed from the still existing blend tool local RNG. It looks bigger than it is because I took the liberty to remove the nasty special casing on the

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Patch] Speed up blending code

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 16:42, Robert L Krawitz wrote: In addition to being very slow, this will also yield noisy results. There are a lot of dither algorithms that are both much faster and yield better results. While you may not need full-blown Floyd-Steinberg or EvenTone dithering for this purpose

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 17:24, Sven Neumann wrote: Incidentally this is exactly what I'm testing right now. ;=) Incidentally that is what the code in CVS is doing. Looks like we were working on the same code. We should perhaps start using mutexes on the source code ;) Heh, you did not only do the same

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 17:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: As for your claim, dithering is completely invisible, try this image, which is done with gimp's blend and no dithering: http://data.plan9.de/d0.png That image features quite visible banding effects - you will have

Re: [Gimp-developer] [Patch] Speed up blending code

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 20:01, Robert L Krawitz wrote: OK. The code Daniel posted shouldn't be too hard to convert. The only thing it needs is to have the absolute row and column, to index into the matrix. That hasn't made it into CVS because Sven was faster... Here's the current code: static void

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-27 Thread Daniel Egger
On 28.02.2005, at 00:25, Sven Neumann wrote: The histogram code does already use the threaded pixel-processor. You think we could simplify the code? IMO the current solution isn't all that bad. But I haven't benchmarked it so I don't really know... I tried to introduce the per-thread

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 26.02.2005, at 02:44, Jay Cox wrote : Dual 2.5ghz g5 mac, mac os x 10.3.8 CVS gimp Changelog revision 1.10539 Linear Gradient blend on a 3000x3000 pixel image (Dithering on) 1 Processor: 7.98 seconds1x 2 processors: 5.20 seconds1.5x 3 processors: 5.23 seconds1.5x

[Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
Hija, I'm throwing the following fix for consideration. The problem is that by standard headers are looked for in various locations under the srcdir, however there're also header files which are automatically generated and (rightfully) put into objdir but are not searched for there. This breaks

[Gimp-developer] GIMP fails to compile without C++ compiler?

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
Hija, just curious, is it expected that configuration of a GIMP build will fail if configure cannot find a C++ compiler? ... checking for dlfcn.h... yes checking for g++... no checking for c++... no checking for gpp... no checking for aCC... no checking for CC... no checking for cxx... no checking

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 26.02.2005, at 20:23, Sven Neumann wrote: Looks like the wrong fix to me. Instead we should change the Makefiles to look for the generated files in the right spot (and .. isn't the right spot). Actually .. is the right spot since make is moving in and out of the objdir. However I can see why

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 26.02.2005, at 23:44, Sven Neumann wrote: What's wrong with $(top_builddir)? Ho hum. That's a relative path as well, so instead of -I.. that would be -I$(top_builddir)/app which gets expanded to -I../../app . We could do that but I don't really see the big advantage instead of just using my

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 26.02.2005, at 23:44, Sven Neumann wrote: BTW, the problems you are seeing only apply to builds from CVS. The tarball has all the generated source files, so everything is where the Makefiles are looking for it. It appears though that we do indeed require to build a CVS checkout in the srcdir.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 26.02.2005, at 23:44, Sven Neumann wrote: Anyway, libtool is using objdir for it's internal object management which is for instance some .libs directory on Linux machines, so we can pretty much forget about using this. Instead we'd need a new variable into the game and the closest I can think

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 01:14, Sven Neumann wrote: We would probably have to add this to all Makefile.am in the app subdirs then?! Only to those containing sources which refer to automatically generated headers, about 3 or 4. There are .cvsignore files that cover these files. Building in the srcdir is

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP fails to compile without C++ compiler?

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 01:19, Sven Neumann wrote: just curious, is it expected that configuration of a GIMP build will fail if configure cannot find a C++ compiler? That question would better be asked on the autoconf list. While you are on it, ask them why there are checks for a fortran compiler. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Makefile fix for srcdir != objdir

2005-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 27.02.2005, at 02:50, Manish Singh wrote: We should do -I$(top_builddir)/app. This avoids needing to care about how deep the directory is, in case the directory is moved elsewhere. But that's still not the cure for all possible problems that may arise by moving the header (e.g. from app to

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-21 Thread Daniel Egger
On 21.02.2005, at 03:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: Forcing the NPTL implementation to degrade to legacy BTW, is this 2.4 or 2.6? Linux ulli 2.6.9-k8 #31 SMP Wed Nov 3 10:58:29 CET 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux 32bit userland from Debian unstable. Servus, Daniel PGP.sig

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-21 Thread Daniel Egger
On 21.02.2005, at 19:07, Jay Cox wrote: I'm not sure what system the benchmark is being run on, but the cache line size on a P4 is 128Byes (most other systems have smaller cache line sizes). A simple test to see if this is the problem would be to change the tile allocation code to allocate an

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-20 Thread Daniel Egger
On 20.02.2005, at 14:09, Sven Neumann wrote: There are very clear ideas on how to do it. Hm, must have missed that... Someone just needs to sit down and write the script (or dig out script-fu-bench.scm which is what we used to use a long time ago). You'd still do me a favor if you would try

[Gimp-developer] Builds with SRCDIR != OBJDIR broken

2005-02-20 Thread Daniel Egger
Hija, while building GIMP for the threading test I noticed that builds where the source dir is not the object directory are slightly broken; in particular the intlfoo magic in the tips directory doesn't take the SRCDIR into account and thus failes badly and the following (generated) files are

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-20 Thread Daniel Egger
On 20.02.2005, at 14:09, Sven Neumann wrote: You'd still do me a favor if you would try current CVS and told me whether it feels faster or not. It's slower, measurable and reproducible slower. As a benchmark I used a gradient fill in a 3000x3000px (68.8M) image. I get consistently times of 8s for

Re: [Gimp-developer] Builds with SRCDIR != OBJDIR broken

2005-02-20 Thread Daniel Egger
On 20.02.2005, at 19:29, Sven Neumann wrote: Anyone here who can fix that with some Makefile-fu? Why do you think those files would be looked for in $(srcdir)? Because the compiler complained that it couldn't find the files in $(srcdir), so what I did was copying them over one-by-one from the

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-20 Thread Daniel Egger
On 20.02.2005, at 21:55, Sven Neumann wrote: As a benchmark I used a gradient fill in a 3000x3000px (68.8M) image. I get consistently times of 8s for 1 thread and between 9.2s and 9.6s for 2 threads. With a running application, after a restart -- doesn't matter. What is strange though, is that it

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-20 Thread Daniel Egger
if perhaps the kernel is right and using two CPUs would actually cause more overhead than it's worth? Hm, it is using NPTL, e.g. if I set it to 8 threads I'll have: egger31344 2.1 14.5 219412 149008 pts/0 Sl+ 23:10 0:05 /opt/gimp-mp-test/bin/gimp-2.3 egger31344 10.8 14.5 219412

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-20 Thread Daniel Egger
On 20.02.2005, at 23:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: Linux will not keep two threads running on a single cpu if both are ready and nothing else is running, regardless of locality etc., as the kernel lacks the tools to effectively decide wether threads should stay on a cpu or

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-18 Thread Daniel Egger
On 16.02.2005, at 22:42, Sven Neumann wrote: It would be interesting to know if this actually gives a noticeable speedup on SMP systems. Would be nice if one of you could give this some testing. Please try to do gradient blends (w/o adaptive supersampling!) on large images. Changing the number of

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-13 Thread Daniel Egger
On 13.02.2005, at 22:10, Sven Neumann wrote: I couldn't resist and spent some time on the threaded pixel-processor code . The first part of the TODO I posted yesterday is done, the code has been ported to gthread. This makes the thread functionality available on all platforms supported by

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and multiple processors

2005-02-13 Thread Daniel Egger
On 13.02.2005, at 22:43, Sven Neumann wrote: Doing benchmarks is exactly what would have to be done at this point. The main problem is probably what to use as a benchmark. One could write a script-fu and run that using batch-mode. I've been using the coffee stain effect fu in the past but this is

Re: [Gimp-developer] CVS HEAD dependency on glib-2.6 / gtk+-2.6

2005-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
On 06.02.2005, at 02:46, Hal V. Engel wrote: I probably should have said that I believed that the problems I had with GTK 2.4 were likely caused by the RPMs I was using (user local bin) as I had not tried building it myself. So this is a SuSE 9.1 specific problem. There have been some rather

Re: [Gimp-developer] Improved rect select tool

2005-01-20 Thread Daniel Egger
On 20.01.2005, at 22:07, Sven Neumann wrote: Please don't commit this before we have finished this discussion (that we should have had before you wrote the first line of code). Typically a proof of concept implementation is more than welcome, so your attitude is hardly understandable. That sounds

Re: [Gimp-developer] Roadmap

2005-01-10 Thread Daniel Egger
On 09.01.2005, at 18:39, William Skaggs wrote: 1) New rectangle select tool that allows adjustment of rectangle after creation. (Implemented in my personal tree with the exception of keybindings. Implemented as a separate tool, so it can be tested and improved without losing the standard

[Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-docs] we need more documentation

2005-01-10 Thread Daniel Egger
On 10.01.2005, at 21:38, Sven Neumann wrote: [ good ideas removed ] I'd appreciate if we could gather such good topics for documentation in a central place. Bugzilla would be an idea but this seems more like a great chance for the Wiki: Let's make that an itemizedlist and put it on the Wiki

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool

2004-12-07 Thread Daniel Egger
On 06.12.2004, at 19:44, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: But nowadays, who seriously uses it? I do. It's not very useful to mask an object in a low contrast environment but it works perfectly well for instance to mask an digitally photographed object against a somewhat distant background to

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-14 Thread Daniel Egger
On 13.11.2004, at 08:48, Manish Singh wrote: shm is a special case. I'm talking about allocating highmem segments. So, what is the userspace API for this? AFAIK there's no direct userspace helper to address highmem segments; one can only map them in the Linux kernel and provide them to userspace

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-14 Thread Daniel Egger
On 13.11.2004, at 07:45, Laxminarayan Kamath wrote: t's a whole bunch of contortions, and all pointless since amd64 hardware is competitively priced these days. please dont concentrate only on those who can change pcs like shirts, concentrate on us poor people too. ;) Actually my focus is on

Re: [Gimp-developer] comparing gimp speed

2004-11-12 Thread Daniel Egger
On 12.11.2004, at 15:51, Sven Neumann wrote: That allows you to stuff more RAM into your box but you can still only give up to 4GB to a single process simply because you cannot handle more than 4GB in a 32bit address space. You can, but not using the typical APIs. This is pretty important for

Re: [Gimp-docs] Re: [Gimp-developer] Help system

2004-10-25 Thread Daniel Egger
On 24.10.2004, at 20:36, Sven Neumann wrote: The help system has always been designed that way. The problem was with the way the help pages get generated from the DocBook sources. During that process empty pages were generated instead of no pages. Thus, the language fallback in the help system

Re: [Gimp-developer] forwarded message from c't computer magazine

2004-10-06 Thread Daniel Egger
On 06.10.2004, at 19:45, Tor Lillqvist wrote: Again this c't magazine asking for permission to put GIMP (for Windows, presumably) on a CD-ROM. Could some of our German developers try to tell them once more that they don't have to ask me (or anybody else) for permission. (And on the other hand,

Re: [Gimp-developer] adding a help button to GimpDialog

2004-10-03 Thread Daniel Egger
On 03.10.2004, at 17:51, Sven Neumann wrote: We can of course add a gimprc option for the Help button but my question is if it is a good idea to add such a button per default. I like your idea very much. It might make sense to get an opinion from the usability guys though. Maybe have any

Re: [Gimp-developer] Wording in German: Toolbox

2004-07-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On 26.07.2004, at 17:12, Roman Joost wrote: I was digging a bit around in the net to find out, which word is more used for the Toolbox: Werkzeugfenster or Werkzeugkasten. The most tutorials I found are using Werkzeugkasten, even Sven uses Werkzeugkasten in his book. But Werkzeugfenster is often

Re: [Gimp-developer] Developing a GIMP plugin (2 questions)

2004-07-22 Thread Daniel Egger
On 22.07.2004, at 23:19, Simon Budig wrote: We use the gettext library to determine what language the text in our user interface should be. In fact gettext does all the hard work for us. Not quite but almost. :) The choice of language is expressed by setting environment variables. Those are

Re: [Gimp-developer] New feature inquiry.

2004-07-18 Thread Daniel Egger
On 18.07.2004, at 03:07, Christopher W. Curtis wrote: And we want it rendered using glitz! http://freedesktop.org/Software/glitz ... but seriously, does anyone think it's possible to offload processing to the GPU? Is that part of the GEGL pipe goals? I didn't see anything at the site in the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Re: Re: Blur plug-in

2004-06-12 Thread Daniel Egger
On 07.06.2004, at 20:04, William Skaggs wrote: The main reason not to use convmatrix is that internally it always does a 5x5 convolution, regardless of the matrix entries. This means it should take almost three times as long as the 3x3 convolution in blur.c; in fact, a little testing on a 5000 x

Re: [Gimp-developer] Usability test - Results available

2004-06-04 Thread Daniel Egger
On 04.06.2004, at 13:37, Ellen Reitmayr wrote: 7. German translation - Some words are misleading We've had many iterations through the translation already and in many cases (I at least) were not quite sure how to translate some phrases. If you could come up with some suggestions I'd certainly

Re: [Gimp-developer] Usability test - Results available

2004-06-04 Thread Daniel Egger
On 04.06.2004, at 17:05, Ellen Reitmayr wrote: uuu, that's a translation problem! in english the button says: 'Create Selection from Path' in german it says: 'Pfad aus Auswahl' (Create Path from Selection) I think Daniel Egger is the right one to tell that, no? Any German speaker is welcome

Re: [Gimp-developer] Usability test - Results available

2004-06-04 Thread Daniel Egger
On 04.06.2004, at 16:20, Carol Spears wrote: If you could come up with some suggestions I'd certainly appreciate that. okay, how does photoshop translate their stuff into german? I expect they have a highly paid team of artists and professional translators. Or do you mean that we should copy

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp.app application bundle

2004-03-17 Thread Daniel Egger
On Mar 17, 2004, at 5:53 pm, Aaron Voisine wrote: Here are the links. It's hosted on a cable modem, so be gentle. Now this is really cool! I'd really appreciate if we could put them somewhere on the official servers. If not, would it be an option for you to open a sourceforge project? Servus,

Re: [Gimp-developer] no ppd file usable with gimp2.0pre4?

2004-03-14 Thread Daniel Egger
On Mar 14, 2004, at 12:54 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Such an image file is kept seperate from the rest of the system. So there's no chance that whatever library you add there could collide with other software on the system. Assumed that I understood this correctly, but that's what I have been told

Re: [Gimp-developer] the GIMP help system, i18n and other problems

2004-03-13 Thread Daniel Egger
On Mar 12, 2004, at 1:59 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: What I dislike about this is that the base for the references in the XML files is not the directory the XML file is located in. So there's some special knowledge needed to interpret the references. I suggest this structure intead:

Re: [Gimp-developer] Some more open issues for 2.0

2004-03-11 Thread Daniel Egger
On Mar 11, 2004, at 12:09 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Because our experience in the pre-releases has shown that it is extremely difficult to provide a working spec file. And even if we managed to provide on, it would be specific for a particular distribution. So we should either provide spec files

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP and the new GTK+ filechooser

2004-03-11 Thread Daniel Egger
On Mar 11, 2004, at 4:52 pm, Dave Neary wrote: So who does that leave? I'm not sure what Suse's release schedule is, but based on the above, the first mainstream distro with GNOME 2.6 in a release will be either Fedora Core 2 in May, or Mandrake in August or September. That is, unless Debian

Re: [Gimp-developer] Project structure

2004-03-10 Thread Daniel Egger
On Mar 9, 2004, at 10:46 pm, Roman Joost wrote: If the gimp-help-2 team has nothing against this, it'll be okey for me to be published on the site. Certainly fine with me. Servus, Daniel PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[Gimp-developer] Re: the GIMP help system, i18n and other problems

2004-03-10 Thread Daniel Egger
On Mar 10, 2004, at 8:41 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Nice explanation of the help browser works cut Okay, I have some idea how this all might work. Regarding the topic not found-fallback: I think we should simply add some hidden texts in every language which can be mapped as fallback. Those are

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On Feb 25, 2004, at 11:27 pm, Daniel Rogers wrote: sysctl -w kern.sysv.shmmax=41943040 sysctl -w kern.sysv.shmmin=1 sysctl -w kern.sysv.shmmni=320 sysctl -w kern.sysv.shmseg=80 sysctl -w kern.sysv.shmall=10240 DUH! How could I possibly forget about sysctl. That doesn't seem to work though: lucy:~

Re: [Gimp-developer] Funding for GIMP or CinePaint

2004-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On Feb 25, 2004, at 10:35 am, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Image manipulation is one of the key application areas that needs to be addressed for open source tools to become the mainstream desktop environment. I'm currently funding a number of different open source projects, and am considering

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-26 Thread Daniel Egger
On Feb 26, 2004, at 5:38 pm, Daniel Rogers wrote: Who knows? Who cares? but you do need to edit /etc/rc to see any effect. Thanks for the explanation. I did just what you told me and retested, but it doesn't have any positive impact on the slowness. Servus, Daniel PGP.sig Description:

Re: [Gimp-developer] Costs estimates

2004-02-24 Thread Daniel Egger
On Feb 24, 2004, at 11:13 am, Sven Neumann wrote: Ugh! I can't find airfare there any cheaper than about US$1500. Has anyone from the US found a much better deal? Did you also check flights going to Oslo? I'd rather check the flights with a slighty longer stay instead. 6 nights and the flights

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-11 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 11, 2004, at 4:06 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Daniel recently posted a list of X extensions supported by the Apple X11 server. The MIT-SHM extension was part of this list but today I found that at least in darwinports gtk2 is compiled with the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-07 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 7, 2004, at 1:14 am, Tim Mooney wrote: As I recall, the SIOD that's part of gimp is not a stock version of SIOD, as there were various bugs detected and fixed in SIOD in the 0.99.x and 1.2.x gimp releases. There *may* be fixes in the gimp's

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 10:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: It helps to a) avoid antialiasing (small effect) b) use x fonts (big effect). Thanks for this tip. I'll try installing some high quality X fonts (which is sort of an

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 9:26 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: You will need Darwinports (http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/) but IMO darwinports is an improvement over fink. Of course your mileage may vary. Too complicated to install, at least I did and since I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 6, 2004, at 4:32 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Checking out a cvs repository and typing configure; make; make install doesn't sound too complicated to me. It is, especially when it doesn't work out-of-the-box. Also this is equivalently complicated to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 6, 2004, at 5:12 pm, Tim Mooney wrote: I haven't played with OS X enough to know, but does its X server support the Render extension? If not, that's probably why GTK+ 2 is slower. number of extensions:28 Apple-DRI Apple-WM

Re: [Gimp-developer] Tentative 2.2 feature list

2004-02-06 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 6, 2004, at 7:25 pm, Kevin Cozens wrote: While researching Guile as a replacement for Script-Fu, Guile is a nasty beast. Gnucash is one of the hardest to compile and keep working applications just because of their use of guile. I'm not really

[Gimp-developer] Gimp on OS X (was: Re: Misnamed structure element in SFScript structure?)

2004-02-05 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 5, 2004, at 5:20 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Are there any numbers you can base this statement on? I don't think this assumption is correct. Not that it would matter much but I doubt there are more Win32 GIMP users than Linux GIMP users. I'd also

Re: [Gimp-developer] Help translating GIMP

2004-01-31 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 31, 2004, at 12:15 pm, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: I'd like to retranslate GIMP in italian, the current translation almost sucks. I searched the main site but I haven't found anything, couls omeone tell me how to do it? Talk to Daniele Medri

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dithering

2004-01-21 Thread Daniel Egger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 20, 2004, at 5:48 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Well, actually we'd like to add interpolation to the GIMP canvas as well. At least optionally. Modern computer hardware seems fast enough to do this,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Dithering

2004-01-21 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, den 21.01.2004 schrieb Adam D. Moss um 20:28: In OSX many applications tend to provide a quick redraw for pannings but start a timer which will refine the display once it was static for a while. Hee hee... it's interesting how things can come full-circle. GIMP 0.5[34] did

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 news ...

2004-01-11 Thread Daniel Egger
On Jan 11, 2004, at 3:23 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: The DTDs are absolutely necessary in order to process the files. No, they are not. They are needed for some advanced DOM validation but one can very well process whole books without it. http://sven.gimp.org/build-xml-catalog-for-debian.sh Thanks,

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 news ...

2004-01-10 Thread Daniel Egger
On Jan 10, 2004, at 1:45 pm, David Neary wrote: I hope these kinds of comments aren't out of place. I have noticed that commits to gimp-help-2 are fairly infrequent, and tend to affect lots of files. It is better all round if there are more frequent commits, each one making a distinct change.

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 news ...

2004-01-10 Thread Daniel Egger
On Jan 10, 2004, at 4:38 pm, David Neary wrote: It kind of does - it's not changeset oriented in the way that BK or Arch are, but checking in several files at once is possible, and cvs2svn manages to make changesets out of commits that happen with the same comment, at the same time, by the same

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 news ...

2004-01-05 Thread Daniel Egger
On Jan 5, 2004, at 12:49 am, Roman Joost wrote: 3. I made the corresponding changes to the toolbox XML files and the stylesheets and added three new options: a) The processor includes the titles up to section3. b) The processor chunks the documents up to section3 (Before, all the tools are

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP on Mac OS X

2003-12-26 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Fre, den 26.12.2003 schrieb Sven Neumann um 21:49: there's another thing I forgot to mention that might be worth to look into when it comes to GIMP on Mac OS X. The new compositing code that Helvetix added already provides the framework for making use of Altivec instructions. If someone

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 - TODOs and ideas

2003-12-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Don, den 18.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 16:10: Huh? Probably it's just me being dense... Heh - no. I shouldn't write mails during a lecture ... The existing XML files are renamed to the name of the help ids in $GIMP/app/widgets/gimphelp-ids.h, eg: airbrush.xml is now:

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status

2003-12-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Don, den 18.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 15:53: Hm.. i didn't had any memory problems with XInclude. If the encoding was wrong, the xsltproc throw an error and nothing more ... I still do, but only under Mac OSX. More annoying with XInclude is that xsltproc cannot be taught to really load

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status

2003-12-19 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Fre, den 19.12.2003 schrieb Sven Neumann um 19:55: I am pretty sure it loads the DTD from disk if you provide it an XML catalog file that shows it where the DTD is found. This file is usually called /etc/xml/catalog. See http://xmlsoft.org/catalog.html I have this catalog file and xsltproc

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 - TODOs and ideas

2003-12-17 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, den 17.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 21:30: 1. Renaming of the current XML files, that the corresponding help ids: app/widgets/gimphelp-ids.h. This is mostly done by me. I'll check the changes in as soon as possible. Huh? Probably it's just me being dense... 2. Adding XML

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status

2003-12-11 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, den 10.12.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 22:55: With Raymonds help i'm now be able to build the help with UTF-8 encoded XML files, which are xincluded in the gimp.xml file. Cool. Incidently I've also been working on this and my Mac really has troubles when trying to compile such files

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions

2003-11-24 Thread Daniel Egger
On Nov 24, 2003, at 12:02 am, Roman Joost wrote: I tried it with some docs and it rocks. Unfortunately, i'm running into trouble with the german umlauts. Do you've a solution for keeping the umlauts ? We'll switch to UTF-8 which should solve this problem, unless I'm misunderstanding the issue, of

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions

2003-11-23 Thread Daniel Egger
On Nov 22, 2003, at 3:11 pm, Roman Joost wrote: I moved the stylesheets directory into the source root. I will change it in the next days, after Daniel will give me the ok. No one has declined the new structure purposal, so i think, that everyone on gimp-help-2 gave this implicit OK to change it?

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2 status and suggestions

2003-11-16 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Son, den 16.11.2003 schrieb Roman Joost um 00:46: This is the actual structure. I made a find ./ -type d in the gimp-help-2 and removed the CVS directorys: Agreed. Howver since a few persons are not too happy with the all-languages-concurrently approach I'd like to hear their opinion first.

Re: [Gimp-developer] PO files

2003-09-17 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, 2003-09-17 um 13.29 schrieb Sven Neumann: Is this the official new list for the GTP? If so README.i18n should be changed. I might have missed something but what exactly do you think needs to be changed in README.i18n? I read in the thread that the GTP contact address is dead, if

Re: [Gimp-developer] PO files

2003-09-16 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-09-16 um 19.10 schrieb David Neary: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this the official new list for the GTP? If so README.i18n should be changed. -- Servus, Daniel signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil

Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]

2003-09-13 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Sam, 2003-09-13 um 23.30 schrieb Marco Wessel: It is true that the Apple keyboards that used to come with the iMacs, B/W G3s and G4s don't have a del key. However, this keyboard has long since been replaced with the full-sized keyboard, which does have the key. Just curious, where is it on

Re: Apple has no Delete Key [Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface streamlining]

2003-09-13 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Sam, 2003-09-13 um 22.38 schrieb Alan Horkan: Delete is such a particularly good and obvious keybinding for Deleting things Actually I believe that having both a backspace and a delete key is confusing in the original wordprocessing meaning; why would one want to delete a character

Re: [Gimp-developer] WikiWordOfTheDay

2003-09-08 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mon, 2003-09-08 um 11.52 schrieb David Neary: Problem: Writing docs takes ages, and there are not enough people to do it all, and docs often need little retouching at the end that has to be communicated to the original author, and takes time to integrate, and so on. Indeed. Solution:

Re: [Gimp-developer] gimp-help-2

2003-08-30 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Mit, 2003-08-27 um 11.33 schrieb Sven Neumann: Any help page could then refer to the freetype plug-in by using link xmlns:ft=http://freetype.gimp.org/help; ft:href=top / As you can see, the namespace prefix is irrelevant, we can choose ft: here to keep the notation short. Of course if

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