Re: Spaces in filenames (was: shell script question)

2003-01-20 Thread John Abreau
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That being said, choosing to not put spaces in filenames to work around > broken software does not thus make spaces bad. As you've already stated, it > is the software that is

Re: SBC patents the wheel

2003-01-20 Thread bscott
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 5:28pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [something about yet another ludicrous patent claim ]. Regarding your subject line: Don't give them any ideas! You can view the actual patent (for a "Structured document browser", basically, hyperlinks) here: http://makeashor

Re: Spaces in filenames (was: shell script question)

2003-01-20 Thread bscott
[ Some re-ordering of quoted material was performed for editorial reasons. ] On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 3:58pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have recently given examples where spaces in filenames do cause real > problems which are hard or impossible to work around in shell scripts. I must have mi

Re: Linux in Exeter Public Schools?

2003-01-20 Thread Randy Edwards
Believe it or not, I don't think it would be much of an issue convincing the school board to use Linux. They are incredibly stingy: You *are* talking about public education in the state of New Hampshire. Remember, this is the state which is *still* debating how to fund an equal education to

Re: Linux in Exeter Public Schools?

2003-01-20 Thread Randy Edwards
Believe it or not, I don't think it would be much of an issue convincing the school board to use Linux. They are incredibly stingy: You *are* talking about public education in the state of New Hampshire. Remember, this is the state which is *still* debating how to fund an equal education to

Re: bonding+Catalyst

2003-01-20 Thread Kevin D. Clark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael O'Donnell) writes: > Anybody here ever messed around with the Linux > network bonding stuff, particularly in conjunction > with a Cisco Catalyst switch and its EtherChannel > capabilities? I have the bonding stuff mostly > sorta kinda working but the behavior is a litt

SBC patents the wheel

2003-01-20 Thread Michael O'Donnell
Excerpt from letter to one of their victims: "For example your site includes several selectors or tabs that correspond to specific locations within your site documents. These selectors seem to reside in their own frame or part of the user interface. And, as such, the selectors are not

bonding+Catalyst

2003-01-20 Thread Michael O'Donnell
Anybody here ever messed around with the Linux network bonding stuff, particularly in conjunction with a Cisco Catalyst switch and its EtherChannel capabilities? I have the bonding stuff mostly sorta kinda working but the behavior is a little strange in that the throughput numbers exhibit variati

RE: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Travis Roy
> What I don't get is why the developers of Mozilla, > Galeon, Konqueror, etc. don't add the kind of filtering for > Java, Javascript, Flash, or any/all plugins on a per site > basis ala the cookie managers in each. In Pheonix and Mozilla if you go to the prefs, then Advanced under "JavaScript"

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Michael O'Donnell
> FWIW, I agree. I haven't downloaded Mozilla 1.3a yet, since I > just upgraded to 1.2.1, but I suspect that this is something that > could be lobbied for. I'm just worried that there is a lot of > back-room financial pressure NOT to permit this kind of gratuitous > user control of one's own co

Spaces in filenames (was: shell script question)

2003-01-20 Thread bscott
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 12:36pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Otherwise, if one of your directories contained spaces or other shell >> meta-characters, it would get mangled by the shell before it got passed >> to "du". > > Another damned good reason NOT to have spaces in filenames ... Funny, I t

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Michael O'Donnell
>> to create some irritating Flash thingy that refuses to >> allow me to stop it. I finally removed the Flash plugin >> from my machine and, so far, I don't miss it much. > > A right click on the display brings up the Flash menu which allows > one to toggle the "play" off [stop] for a running Fl

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Bayard R. Coolidge
-Paul Iadonisi wrote: What I don't get is why the developers of Mozilla, Galeon, Konqueror, etc. don't add the kind of filtering for Java, Javascript, Flash, or any/all plugins on a per site basis ala the cookie managers in each. FWIW, I agree. I haven't downloaded Mozilla 1.3a yet, since I ju

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Erik Price
Michael O'Donnell wrote: Yes, please - I'd like to see that. Also, I was griping about this to a buddy and he cobbled up some sort of CSS magic that's supposed to prevent the loading/execution of Flash junk from any pages but those you've specified. I never deployed it because it was just eas

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Mighty Industries
Michael O'Donnell said: > to create some irritating Flash thingy that refuses to > allow me to stop it. I finally removed the Flash plugin > from my machine and, so far, I don't miss it much. A right click on the display brings up the Flash menu which allows one to toggle the "play" off [stop] f

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Paul Iadonisi
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:57, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > > > I'm fed up with Flash. I resent it when somebody > hijacks my computer by executing something on it that Me too. What I don't get is why the developers of Mozilla, Galeon, Konqueror, etc. don't add the kind of filtering for Java, Ja

Re: Linux/Unix in the classroom

2003-01-20 Thread pll
In a message dated: 20 Jan 2003 14:05:53 EST Travis Roy said: >who is going to use something they don't know how to install. About 4 billion MS Windows users :) >Surely a modern linux dist like RedHat or Mandrake is simple enough >that anybody that can install windows should be able to deal wit

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Michael O'Donnell
>The newest sysadmin has an article on filtering banner ads. I wonder >if, in place of the regex they use as an example, you could use .swf? > >unfortunately, the article isn't available online, but if you don't >subscribe, I could probably get you a copy of it somehow. Yes, please - I'd like

Re: Linux/Unix in the classroom

2003-01-20 Thread Travis Roy
> Was this a college course? My experience and second-hand knowledge > (which obviously is not all-inclusive by any means) is that Intro to > Unix courses at colleges don't involve installs. And IMO, nor should > they. Installations are appropriate for intro sysadmin courses, but > the average u

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Travis Roy
> I'm fed up with Flash. I resent it when somebody > hijacks my computer by executing something on it that > I can't control, and that's precisely what MacroMedia > had in mind when they made it possible for somebody > to create some irritating Flash thingy that refuses to > allow me to stop it.

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Travis Roy
> The newest sysadmin has an article on filtering banner ads. I wonder > if, in place of the regex they use as an example, you could use .swf? > I know the windows programs I use filter ads, including flash ones. I think the latest junkbuster does also. Both do it based on size of the ad so if y

Re: Hard drive needs low-level format?

2003-01-20 Thread Ben Boulanger
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 12:36, Hewitt Tech wrote: > What are other people's experiences with these drives? The drive does not > overheat AFAIK, but I do notice that the problem is more pronounced at > system startup then after the system has been running for a while. It does happen and it's not nece

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Michael O'Donnell
I'm fed up with Flash. I resent it when somebody hijacks my computer by executing something on it that I can't control, and that's precisely what MacroMedia had in mind when they made it possible for somebody to create some irritating Flash thingy that refuses to allow me to stop it. I finally

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Ben Boulanger
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone know of a way to avoid auto-loading or filtering Flash > embedded within a site? [ ... ] > Anyone else experience this, or have any ideas? The newest sysadmin has an article on filtering banner ads. I wonder if, in place of the rege

Re: Hard drive needs low-level format?

2003-01-20 Thread Travis Roy
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 13:19, Hewitt Tech wrote: > That's why I mirrored the disk and replaced it but I have a very uneasy > feeling about the durability of the drive. I'm quite unimpressed with having > to do this with an ostensibly new technology ATA drive. I wouldn't worry to much, just re-forma

Re: filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread Mighty Industries
Paul said: > ... When I visit one of these sites, galeon > (and I expect mozilla) hangs trying to access /dev/dsp if I have > xmms open and playing. > > In order to "unhang" the browser, I have to kill xmms, then restart > it. That is odd. Have you upgraded to the latest Macromedia Flash [v

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Jefferson Kirkland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ...but as we all know, anyone who has been > doing *nix for some time or who was taught correctly, knows not to use > spaces in *nix file names. Just for the record, I disagree with this, but I don't have a lot of interest in debating this. Rega

Re: Hard drive needs low-level format?

2003-01-20 Thread Hewitt Tech
That's why I mirrored the disk and replaced it but I have a very uneasy feeling about the durability of the drive. I'm quite unimpressed with having to do this with an ostensibly new technology ATA drive. -Alex I've seen this before, quite a while ago where the disks were not properly fo

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Kevin D. Clark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It is essential to understand that shell parsing is built upon splitting a > command line up into "words", separated by spaces. Since we're nit-picking, this isn't precisely true. The shell splits command lines into arguments using the characters in $IFS as delimit

Re: Hard drive needs low-level format?

2003-01-20 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:36:21 -0500 "Hewitt Tech" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I ran into an interesting (more like terrifying) problem with a Maxtor > 80 gig D740X-6L drive. The drive has been in service for perhaps 9 > months. Within the last couple of weeks I noticed that the system, > running W

filtering Flash?

2003-01-20 Thread pll
Hi all, Anyone know of a way to avoid auto-loading or filtering Flash embedded within a site? It seems many sites are beginning to use Flash for their ads rather than just .jpg or .gif images (probably exactly because it's more difficult to filter!). When I visit one of these sites, galeon

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Jefferson Kirkland
At 12:36 PM 1/20/2003 -0500, Bayard R. Coolidge wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >>> Otherwise, if one of your directories contained >>>spaces or other shell meta-characters, it would >>> get mangled by the shell >>>before it got passed to "du". Another damned good reason NOT to have spaces in fil

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Bayard R. Coolidge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >>> Otherwise, if one of your directories contained >>>spaces or other shell meta-characters, it would >>> get mangled by the shell >>>before it got passed to "du". Another damned good reason NOT to have spaces in filenames, as we discussed a week or two ago here on the li

Hard drive needs low-level format?

2003-01-20 Thread Hewitt Tech
I ran into an interesting (more like terrifying) problem with a Maxtor 80 gig D740X-6L drive. The drive has been in service for perhaps 9 months. Within the last couple of weeks I noticed that the system, running Win2k Pro, was taking longer to boot. I reviewed the event log and found that at the s

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Erik Price
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, a pet peeve of mine: Use for i in * ; instead of for i in `ls` ; I always forget that it can be done that way, but in fact, in this case I was ls'ing a diff't directory. I just posted a simplified version to the list. Also, I recall from an earlier

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread bscott
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, at 8:38am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > for i in `ls`; do "`which du` -khs $i"; done First, a pet peeve of mine: Use for i in * ; instead of for i in `ls` ; Both generate a list of filenames, but the later needless invokes an external process to do so. The

Re: MySQL crash on remote access

2003-01-20 Thread Kevin D. Clark
"Ted Roche" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've installed RedHat 8.0 and all of it's updates onto a wireless laptop, > including MySQL. This is a prototype machine inside the firewall, so no > firewall software installed. ... > Searching Google for this brought up a closed Bugzilla report on the

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Erik Price
Steven W. Orr wrote: But for the life of me I can't figure out why you are running which in the first place. Well, now that I've stopped using the double quotes it seems that the shell can find "du" on its own after all!! ;) Erik ___ gnhlug-dis

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Erik Price wrote: =>Hi, => =>I am probably overlooking something obvious but it seems that when I try =>to execute a command-line "for" loop, the "do command" part is not =>executed from the current directory. Is that normal? Here is what I mean: => =>[erikprice@host:/home

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Erik Price
Ben Boulanger wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 08:38, Erik Price wrote: [erikprice@host:/home/erikprice]$ for i in `ls`; do "`which du` -khs $i"; done [ ... ] As you can see in the above, I've had to put `which du` in the "do" section (because for some reason the "du" command isn't found if I

Re: shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Ben Boulanger
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 08:38, Erik Price wrote: > [erikprice@host:/home/erikprice]$ for i in `ls`; do "`which du` -khs > $i"; done [ ... ] > > As you can see in the above, I've had to put `which du` in the "do" > section (because for some reason the "du" command isn't found if I don't > specify

shell script question

2003-01-20 Thread Erik Price
Hi, I am probably overlooking something obvious but it seems that when I try to execute a command-line "for" loop, the "do command" part is not executed from the current directory. Is that normal? Here is what I mean: [erikprice@host:/home/erikprice]$ for i in `ls`; do "`which du` -khs $i";