Interesting read, thanks for sharing and for the follow on comments.
I'm in the midst of working on porting code from Vax to modern hardware as
we speak.
Richard J. Kolb
On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 12:49 PM Jerry Feldman wrote:
> Yes, the pdp-8 also supported multi user and multi task
Yes, the pdp-8 also supported multi user and multi tasking. The burger king
manex system used os-8 as it's os.
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On Sun, Oct 8, 2023, 10:40 AM jon.maddog.h...@gmail.com <
jonhal...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I also disagree with many items in
I also disagree with many items in the article.
Ignoring architectures like the PDP-11 and implying that multi-user started
with VMS is just plain wrong. The PDP-11 was a premier platform for
multi-user operating systems like RSTS, RSX-11, and Unix to name just a few.
Secondly the movement
I so miss DEC. Bulk of CS degree was earned utilizing a DECSYSTEM-20, a VAX,
and PDP-11 computers. Later I worked for DEC/Compaq/HP in the late 90s/early
2000s.
-roger
> On 10/07/2023 4:07 PM EDT Don wrote:
>
>
>
It's a great article. I was the principal consultant for IDS in that
era, and there is a staff alumni group active on Facebook where I posted
this link.
I disagree with a number of the claims in the article, especially that
Windows NT was based on VMS when in fact it was based on and
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/long-gone-dec-is-still-powering-the-world-of-computing/
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Just watched this documentary with my wife:
`Hackers are People Too'
http://www.hackersarepeopletoo.com/
I liked it.
She said, it was OK--I already knew all of that stuff from you,
and it jumped around a little too much; I need linearity
Anyone else seen it? Like? Dislike?
Available in Amazon streaming (not Prime eligible). Not available in
Netflix streaming. Thanks, I'll check it out.
Greg Rundlett
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.comwrote:
Just watched this documentary with my wife:
`Hackers are People Too'
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Just watched this documentary with my wife:
`Hackers are People Too'
http://www.hackersarepeopletoo.com/
There's two Linux documentaries that I know of, The Code
and Revolution OS.
I'm sure
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Kenny Lussier kluss...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
While working on my paper about Linux and Cloud Computing (and thanks
to all the people who sent me input), I went to the VirtualBox site:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Bill McGonigle b...@bfccomputing.com wrote:
On 03/07/2010 02:56 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
New February 12, 2009 - VirtualBox 3.1.4 released! Oracle today
released.
Dammit, they've discovered Sun's secret time-travel project too. ;)
We have always been
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alan Johnson a...@datdec.com wrote:
Well, except MacOSX has specific hardware.
Indeed, that's a big part of Apple's strategy. Design the hardware
and the software together, and
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get
I propose the rarely here is a function of the company in question.
Even Apple falls into this category for they did not design every thing
about everything they sell either. To that point, there is rarely a
company worth much more than they are charging across most industries.
=)
The issue is
While working on my paper about Linux and Cloud Computing (and thanks
to all the people who sent me input), I went to the VirtualBox site:
http://www.virtualbox.org/
Over in the corner is the News Flash section, where for the past
several months the news flashes start off with:
New November 17,
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
While working on my paper about Linux and Cloud Computing (and thanks
to all the people who sent me input), I went to the VirtualBox site:
http://www.virtualbox.org/
Oracle has acquired a few virtualization products as of
On 03/05/2010 05:00 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
I was looking into what it would take in the way of patent royalties to
put Android onto the Openmoko phone. It was a mess, even just paying
the royalties on a hardware basis. But people can not afford to pay the
royalties on free CDs that
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
Apple and Microsoft have paid up royalties on these things ...
... which has me wondering: how does Ubuntu get away with shipping all
of the stuff necessary to do DVD-authoring!?
While I've never touched
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get right.
Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in
Again, I don't have a good answer, but that doesn't mean the problem
goes away. Linux still sucks.
Just to be clear, in this particular case any freely distributable piece
of code that relies on royalty bearing codecs sucks.
That includes BSD, Hurd, Minux, Android, MeeGO, etc.
md
ugly pants carrying Windows laptops around.
I must admit I never related ugly pants with Windows laptops.
I sense a follow-up study, but firstwhat is the definition of ugly
pants?
md
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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote:
Freedom, and low cost, and robustness, and
security, and choice, and all that good stuff.
s/Linux/MacOSX/
Yes and no. MacOS X certainly has a
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Ben Eisenbraun b...@klatsch.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 06:12:53PM -0500, Star wrote:
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting Linux
as a platform. I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i think?)
There have been some. I
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote:
I remember that! Computers with the hottest graphics hardware on
the planet, and Doom still did all rendering in software and just
blitted bitmaps to X. :)
Didn't Doom use OpenGL as its engine? Id is one of the reasons
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
You mean Android right? Droid is one model of phone using the Android
platform.
Yes and no, because...
I've read of fragmentation in the Android market.
Exactly. Droid seems like the first Android phone that's
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Except for the fact that Andriod is pretty much all written in Java.
:-D And doesn't use X. And must be run in a VM which isn't the Java
VM.
Oh. I didn't know that. I don't have much interest in mobile phone
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
BUT: I wonder if maybe Ben isn't talking about it being a `gateway drug'
that draws people to platforms that are *technologically similar*,
but if he instead is talking about it drawing people to platforms
that
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Except for the fact that Andriod is pretty much all written in Java.
:-D And doesn't use X. And must be run in a VM which isn't the Java
VM.
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alan Johnson a...@datdec.com wrote:
Well, except MacOSX has specific hardware.
Indeed, that's a big part of Apple's strategy. Design the hardware
and the software together, and
O.K., I will wade in here. :-)
For the most part, Ben is right. Vendors who completely control both
hardware and software can make the best products, if your definition
of best is a limited market of items, and you are willing to pay for
them. MVS, VMS, Digital Unix. Rock solid, stable,
Between everyone here I continue to learn a helluva lot about what's going
on with Linux vs. everything else, and am always grateful for it,
particularly for the input from md and Ben recently. So, while having
nothing much to contribute at this time other than congratulations and
thanks for such
On 03/05/2010 12:36 PM, Thomas Charron wrote:
But there's a whole slew of
custom-google-glue-and-tweaks, which was disappointing.
Yeah, Google likes to grab a project, modify it to its own needs, and
throw the code over the wall. Same as happens for Chrome. Tom Callaway
at Fedora did
is about as interesting as a telephone or
a toaster oven or a DVD player. In the real world, a computer is a convenient
appliance for interpersonal communication and entertainment. It shouldn't be
something you have to spend time on.
If you want to make Linux work for the world, you need to provide
Ralph,
While I agree with some things you said:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get right.
Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in
their codecs, and
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get right.
Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in
their codecs, and
... which has me wondering: how does Ubuntu get away with shipping all
of the stuff necessary to do DVD-authoring!?
Ahhh, what does it meant to do DVD-authoring? Moving encoded bits on
a DVD? No problem! Taking video bits from my video camera (encoded
into Mpeg) and putting it onto my DVD? No
I don't agree with all of it, but it does put a few things in perspective.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539Chris
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Chris wrote:
I don't agree with all of it, but it does put a few things in perspective.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539
I do not agree with the author of the article either.
His arguments seem only based on a limited experience of what Linux has
to offer.
I know that
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream people think. If you insist on
closing your eyes to how the people complaining see things, don't be
surprised when they
I will play the Devil's advocate here:
No gaming support - Mandriva has an entire product line devoted to
gaming, but the gaming developers didn't work with it and the end users
didn't try it out. It was subsequently dropped.
Yes, and It was subsequently dropped is the issue. Linux just does
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.comwrote:
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream people think. If you insist on
closing your
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Chris fj1...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't agree with all of it, but it does put a few things in perspective.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539
Chris
It's hard to say you don't agree with other users observations.
Note, he's not the one the
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Brian Chabot br...@datasquire.net wrote:
I do not agree with the author of the article either.
His arguments seem only based on a limited experience of what Linux has
to offer.
They aren't his arguments.
So, what I’ve done here is gone through the
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.comwrote:
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream people think. If you insist on
closing your
To: Greater NH Linux User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 12:36:54 PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article,
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream
Lori,
A good list of game issues.
Now add the fact that most Linux people are:
o Open Source (and typically games aren't)
o quite a few don't believe in paying for anything (and game makers have
to eat)
o game making is more of a science combined with art these daysfew
people would be happy
Lori Nagel writes:
1) User interfaces tend to be poor and over compilcated, with a
bunch of skills and stats taking up the whole screen in a way you
can't close as opposed to the whole screen being immersed in the
game.
This is a valid complaint. The reason for this is probably because
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote:
Freedom, and low cost, and robustness, and
security, and choice, and all that good stuff.
s/Linux/MacOSX/
Yes and no. MacOS X certainly has a number of selling points,
several of which it shares with Linux, others which are
There is definitely a chicken-and-egg problem when it comes to games
on Linux. Game publishers don't target Linux because there are few
gamer customers running Linux. Gamer people don't run Linux because
there are few publishers targeting Linux.
(I don't have an answer.)
-- Ben
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
There is definitely a chicken-and-egg problem when it comes to games
on Linux. Game publishers don't target Linux because there are few
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting
Linux as a
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
But low cost? Freedom? You never really own a Mac -- you're just
renting it from Steve Jobs. As someone said to me recently, There
can be more than one evil empire.
http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Star nhs...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting
Linux as a platform. I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i
think?)
Again, a few counter-examples does not mean the overall trend is untrue. :)
With all of
Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Star nhs...@gmail.com wrote:
Then there's the Sound integration... You've got Pulse over
here, eSound on that guy, he's playing with ALSA, and OSS ...
http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png
Oh, not this
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes:
Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Star nhs...@gmail.com wrote:
Then there's the Sound integration... You've got Pulse over
here, eSound on that guy, he's playing with ALSA, and OSS ...
... and I was trying to remember where I saw an analogous off-the-cuff
flowchart for Windows. I just found it:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vLES3KKBdaM/Sjsptq1kkCI/AGU/yITp1qKuHOU/s1600-h/windowsaudio.png
Yes, and it is true that Windows probably has as much a mess in this as
Linux
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
Oh, not this again--half of those arrows aren't even pointing
to the right places
One again, spectacularly missing the point.
Say a programmer is used to MS Windows, where despite your flow
chart, it's all
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 06:12:53PM -0500, Star wrote:
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting Linux
as a platform. I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i think?)
There have been some. I remember playing Tribes 2 during lunch on the
linux workstations in the NOC.
On 4/25/07, Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you are saying the flag indicates only that it understands that flag,
rather than has that capability? Wouldn't it be more useful to show
what capabilities it HAS rather than those it knows about?
Our mistake is in assuming that usefulness was
On 4/26/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look for siblings : 2 in the cpuinfo. If it has the HT flag, but
siblings is 1, it answers the question.
Think of it as a matrix question. 'Just remember, there is no
spoon, err, HT.'
As an addendum, the lack of a siblings line also
On Apr 25, 2007, at 17:01, Bob King wrote:
That seems a bit odd.So you are saying the flag indicates only that it
understands that flag, rather than has that capability?
yes.
Wouldn't it be more
useful to show what capabilities it HAS rather than those it knows
about?
yes.
-Bill
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During the Xen discussion at MerriLUG, it was mentioned that the Xen
implementation on FC6 required PAE on the cpu. I knew that my two Linux
boxen at home did not support VTX, so I checked the processors for the PAE
flag.
My Xeon system had PAE and also supported hyperthreading, which was hardly
On 4/25/07, Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
During the Xen discussion at MerriLUG, it was mentioned that the Xen
implementation on FC6 required PAE on the cpu. I knew that my two Linux
boxen at home did not support VTX, so I checked the processors for the PAE
flag.
My Xeon system had PAE and
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about this? If the cpu really
supports hyperthreading then I might want to invest in a new mobo for that
box.
The differences between Dualcore and Hyperthreading are debatable.
Is it possible
Interesting question, got me wondering if my Core 2 Duo cpu would look the
same. Haven't had the chance to check it yet, but I did some reading and found
that it seems neither the Pentium D 805 or my Core 2 Duo 6400 have hyperthread
technology although they're both dual-cores.
I haven't
Apr 2007 11:08:04 -0400
From: Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise
To: Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Greater NH Linux User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was wondering if anyone had
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The differences between Dualcore and Hyperthreading are debatable.
Is it possible that whatever reported the HT bit simply did so because
the capabilities from a software perspective are so simular?
After rereading, I anted to clarify.
interest.
That is why I picked up that CPU. The mobo it is on will go from a 533 FSB
up to 1066 , and is fairly flexible. Given that the cpu multiplier is 20
(providing 2.66GHz for that 533MHZ FSB) it could be very interesting. I
don't want to go up to water cooling, but should be able to ratchet
On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
also, the table on page 18 of a good review of the D 805 on Tom's Hardware shows the
D 805 has no HT implementation, but comments on the equivalency of dual-core. Find
it at:
I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about this? If the cpu really
supports hyperthreading then I might want to invest in a new mobo for that
box.
This got me curiously googling around and I found this in an Intel doc
on the Linux kernel:
ht in 'flags' field of /proc/cpuinfo indicate
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, this is exactly why I say the differences from a software
perspective are debatable.
In the sense of what you have to program to make use of it, yes.
Either way, you have to worry about shared memory concurrency,
locking, re-entrance,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are also a few dual cores with hyperthreading, Xeon was one
product line I noticed had such models.
Yeah, I just checked one of our new machines which is a dual
dual-core. It reports 4 GenuineIntel CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo, all of
which have the 'ht' flag set.
On 4/25/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ht in 'flags' field of /proc/cpuinfo indicate that the processor
supports the Machine Specific
Registers to report back HT or multi-core capability. Additional
fields (listed down below) in the
CPU records of /proc/cpuinfo will give more
On Apr 25, 2007, at 12:53, Shawn K. O'Shea wrote:
ht in 'flags' field of /proc/cpuinfo indicate that the processor
supports the Machine Specific
Registers to report back HT or multi-core capability. Additional
fields (listed down below) in the
CPU records of /proc/cpuinfo will give more
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 14:15:55 Paul Lussier wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are also a few dual cores with hyperthreading, Xeon was one
product line I noticed had such models.
Yeah, I just checked one of our new machines which is a dual
dual-core. It reports 4 GenuineIntel
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 13:56:35 Ben Scott wrote:
On 4/25/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, this is exactly why I say the differences from a software
perspective are debatable.
In the sense of what you have to program to make use of it, yes.
Either way, you have to
On 4/25/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right, 'ht' just reports whether the CPU knows it has hyperthreading
or knows it doesn't have hyperthreading. This tripped me up for a
good hour once!
So the HT flag does not indicate HyperThreading capability. Rather,
the HT flag
much for my hope
that the new 3GHz eight-core MacPro would hyperthread to give 16 virtual CPUs
:-(
Guess we're both sol.
-brucem
Original message
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:15:55 -0400
From: Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentium 805D has an interesting surprise
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 02:15:55PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are also a few dual cores with hyperthreading, Xeon was one
product line I noticed had such models.
Yeah, I just checked one of our new machines which is a dual
dual-core. It reports 4
On Wednesday 25 April 2007 15:19:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually it looks like the newer Xeons (dual and quad cores) don't support
HT.
I googled and found this comment:
Hyperthreading is only on the NetBurst based 50xx Xeons - the Core2 based
51xx Xeons do not support hyperthreading
On 4/25/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right, 'ht' just reports whether the CPU knows it has hyperthreading
or knows it doesn't have hyperthreading. This tripped me up for a
good hour once!
I have a 2.5GHz P4 here without hyperthreading, but it knows that it
doesn't:
$cat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually it looks like the newer Xeons (dual and quad cores) don't
support HT.
I googled and found this comment:
Hyperthreading is only on the NetBurst based 50xx Xeons - the Core2
based 51xx Xeons do not support hyperthreading
The same is apparently true of
On Apr 25, 2007, at 22:24, Paul Lussier wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually it looks like the newer Xeons (dual and quad cores) don't
support HT.
I googled and found this comment:
Hyperthreading is only on the NetBurst based 50xx Xeons - the Core2
based 51xx Xeons do not support
http://www.vnunet.com/news/1158498
Thought you all might be interested.
Jason Kern
www.KernBuilt.com
603.823.5150
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This story claims that ATT disclaimed ownership of derivative UNIX code and
SCO's lawsuits may fall apart...
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/unix/story/0,10801,90205,00.html
-Alex
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This story claims that ATT disclaimed ownership of derivative UNIX
code and SCO's lawsuits may fall apart...
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 08:15:45AM -0500, Hewitt Tech wrote:
This story claims that ATT disclaimed ownership of derivative UNIX code and
SCO's lawsuits may fall apart...
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/unix/story/0,10801,90205,00.html
groklaw.net is a great source of SCO/IBM
Hi everyone,
I thought some of us might be interested
in attending this. The monthly e-coast e-brew will immediately follow the
presentation. Thanks
Lori Hitchcock
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September 28, 2003 9:16 AM
I have not read this entirely, however, a cursory look
tells me others on this list may find it interesting.
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html
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NASA claims that, for the first time, they'll have a
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which will be broadcasting the entire liftoff and ascent,
including the release and burnup of the tank itself.
Lanuch is scheduled for 3:46pm EST Oct 7th, with a
five
I found this site today and have been going through it
since:
http://www.empowermentzone.com/
There is so much information on here, it is going to take
quite a while to go through. I hope everyone finds it as
interesting as I do.
Regards,
Jeff Kirkland
On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, at 7:24pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I found this site today and have been going through it since:
http://www.empowermentzone.com/
Oh my God! It's full of hyperlinks!
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Apparently a lot of people saw the Slashdot story and started coding
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