Re: Laptop Key Problem

2007-11-13 Thread Tech Writer
Subject: Re: Laptop Key Problem Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh. Sorry, I forgot not everybody is going to have a bunch of floppies full of old software. :-) What? So, what do people keep at the back of all their closets? What do you do with all that room if you don't keep

Re: Laptop Key Problem

2007-11-13 Thread Tom Buskey
On Nov 13, 2007 11:27 AM, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Laptop Key Problem Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh. Sorry, I forgot not everybody is going to have a bunch of floppies full of old software. :-) What? So, what do people keep at the back of all

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-13 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 23:08 -0400, Stephen Ryan wrote: What about going the other way around? Try the GUI CD burner - you should be able to right-click on the .iso and select Write to Disc That was my starting point. I glossed over that since there was no useful error output. The GUI

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-12 Thread Ben Scott
On 9/11/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7. Now I've discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs. In the past, I've had trouble with those auto-media-detect-and-mount daemons trying to auto-mount a disc as I'm trying to write

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-12 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 09:08 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 9/11/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7. Now I've discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs. In the past, I've had trouble with those auto-media-detect-and-mount

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-12 Thread Ben Scott
On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. That exclusivity error only shows up sometimes. I think the retry succeeds. Right, because the auto-thingies all work by polling the device. So

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-12 Thread Tyson Sawyer
FWIW, I've not had any problems like this w/Gnome/Ubuntu and it has the automount thingies. the automount stuff does annoy me from time to time, but it doesn't cause failures when burning CDs or DVDs. Cheers! Ty On 9/12/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-12 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 13:03 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. That exclusivity error only shows up sometimes. I think the retry succeeds. Right,

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-12 Thread Frank DiPrete
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 09:08 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 9/11/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7. Now I've discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs. In the past, I've had trouble with those auto-media-detect-and-mount

Re: fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-12 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 17:23 -0400, Lloyd Kvam wrote: On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 13:03 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 9/12/07, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Error trying to open /dev/scd0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. That exclusivity error only

fedora 7 on laptop no longer burns CDs or DVDs

2007-09-11 Thread Lloyd Kvam
I recently upgraded my laptop from fedora 6 to fedora 7. Now I've discovered I can no longer burn CDs or DVDs. I have an old CD-R burner, so this is not critical yet, but I will need to get this figured out. The drive is identified below in the wodim output, but is a fairly typical IDE combo

Used Laptop Source

2007-07-18 Thread Ed lawson
I know there are innumerable places on the web selling used/refurbished gear, but just thought I would mention this one since I had good luck with them. Ordered a T30 with 256M and 60G and DVD for $285 with no OS. Unit came in a shipping box made for laptops and unit was pristine. Much better

Re: Used Laptop Source

2007-07-18 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:49:32 -0400 Ed lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there are innumerable places on the web selling used/refurbished gear, but just thought I would mention this one since I had good luck with them. Ordered a T30 with 256M and 60G and DVD for $285 with no OS. Unit

Re: Used Laptop Source

2007-07-18 Thread Ed lawson
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:27:29 -0400 Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Double check your warranties. Very good point. I guess I have been spoiled by my HP 4150 which ran like a tank for years and years. I really don't worry about warranty stuff on used equipment I buy for mixed

Re: Inexpensive Linux Laptop

2007-06-06 Thread Fran Fadden
On Mon, June 4, 2007 7:56 am, Alex Hewitt wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 07:16 -0400, Tech Writer wrote: If you were looking for an new (not refurbished) inexpensive Linux laptop, that would be used primarily to run Firefox, OpenOffice and a DVD player, where would you get it? Peg

Re: Inexpensive Linux Laptop

2007-06-06 Thread Kjel Anderson
) this laptop is hard to beat. Here are the specs: AMD Turion 64 X2 Dual Core TL-50 @ 1600mhz per core OSGenuine Windows Vista Home Premium RAM1 GB of 533mhz DDR2 occupying a single slot, leaving 1 slot available Display17 WXGA+ 1440x900 Diamond Brite screen GraphicsNvidia Geforce Go 7600

Inexpensive Linux Laptop

2007-06-04 Thread Tech Writer
If you were looking for an new (not refurbished) inexpensive Linux laptop, that would be used primarily to run Firefox, OpenOffice and a DVD player, where would you get it? Peg___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http

Re: Inexpensive Linux Laptop

2007-06-04 Thread brk
Chinatown On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:16 AM, Tech Writer wrote: If you were looking for an new (not refurbished) inexpensive Linux laptop, that would be used primarily to run Firefox, OpenOffice and a DVD player, where would you get it? Peg ___ gnhlug

Re: Inexpensive Linux Laptop

2007-06-04 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 07:16 -0400, Tech Writer wrote: If you were looking for an new (not refurbished) inexpensive Linux laptop, that would be used primarily to run Firefox, OpenOffice and a DVD player, where would you get it? Peg ___ gnhlug

Re: Inexpensive Linux Laptop

2007-06-04 Thread Drew Van Zandt
I got this for about $850 direct from Dell, and a lot of that was upgrades from the basic. http://oddones.org/newsys.html Upgrades I got were: Screen to max res: $100 CPU to Core 2 Duo instead of Core Duo: $70 ? RAM to 667 MHz instead of 533: $60 ? Linux issues (Debian specifically, not sure how

Re: Inexpensive Linux Laptop

2007-06-04 Thread Shawn K. O'Shea
If you were looking for an new (not refurbished) inexpensive Linux laptop, that would be used primarily to run Firefox, OpenOffice and a DVD player, where would you get it? Dell offers an Inspiron, currently starting at 599$ that ships with Ubuntu preinstalled (http://www.dell.com/open

Re: Windoze laptop address allocation :-(

2007-06-01 Thread Thomas Charron
On 5/31/07, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As incredibly knowledgable as I am in linux I'm a total dolt in windoze. For reasons that just horrify me I have to take posession of a winblose laptop which when used at home will be NATing out through my server. Any computers I have in house

Windoze laptop address allocation :-(

2007-05-31 Thread Steven W. Orr
As incredibly knowledgable as I am in linux I'm a total dolt in windoze. For reasons that just horrify me I have to take posession of a winblose laptop which when used at home will be NATing out through my server. Any computers I have in house are running linux and all have static addresses

Re: Windoze laptop address allocation :-(

2007-05-31 Thread Derek Atkins
that just horrify me I have to take posession of a winblose laptop which when used at home will be NATing out through my server. Any computers I have in house are running linux and all have static addresses assigned. Can some kind soul tell me what I need to do (prefereably at both ends) so

Re: Windoze laptop address allocation :-(

2007-05-31 Thread Ben Scott
On 5/31/07, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... winblose laptop ... What flavor of Windows? 2000? XP Pro? XP Home? Something Vista? Something Older? If you're not sure, click Start, then Run, type WINVER, and click OK. That should open a window which tells you the flavor

Re: Migrating a laptop from one distro (openSuse 10.2) to another (FC6)

2007-03-17 Thread Jerry Feldman
management software is a bit less intuitive than the SuSE, but that is also because I am more familiar with YaST. On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Bayard Coolidge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been around Linux a while, but my experience with laptops is minimal. I bought a laptop

Re: Migrating a laptop from one distro (openSuse 10.2) to another (FC6)

2007-03-17 Thread Ben Scott
On 3/16/07, Bayard Coolidge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought a laptop recently with two SATA hardrives. Did it actually have two physical disks, or just one disk split into two partitions? Either way, it would be useful to know what partitions exist on what disks, and what their purpose

Re: Migrating a laptop from one distro (openSuse 10.2) to another (FC6)

2007-03-17 Thread Bayard Coolidge
also give make and model of the laptop. HP dv9000z Did the laptop come with restore/re-install media? It comes with a restore partition (on what we call /dev/sda2 or WINDOWS/D), and I purchased a CD, too. And, no, I don't trust the veracity of this recovery media - I suspect it will simply

Migrating a laptop from one distro (openSuse 10.2) to another (FC6)

2007-03-16 Thread Bayard Coolidge
I've been around Linux a while, but my experience with laptops is minimal. I bought a laptop recently with two SATA hardrives. The major OEM that made the laptop very generously made the second drive D:, and the BIOS does NOT support booting off of the second hard drive, only off of the first

Linux Laptop

2007-02-25 Thread Alexei Isac
Hi, Does anybody have recommendations for an MSI /Asus laptop ? I am planning to use it for Java/C++ development (need to run eclipse), general browsing and editing documents with Open office. Any recommendation on the following retailer is also appreciated. http://www.rkcomputer.net/store

Re: Linux Laptop

2007-02-25 Thread hewitt_tech
- From: Alexei Isac To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 3:54 PM Subject: Linux Laptop Hi, Does anybody have recommendations for an MSI /Asus laptop ? I am planning to use it for Java/C++ development (need to run eclipse), general browsing and editing

Re: Linux Laptop

2007-02-25 Thread Ben Scott
On 2/25/07, hewitt_tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that mystifies about purchasing one of these erector set notebook computers - they are definitely more expensive than buying a ready to use notebook ... One also has to remember that you're taking on the system integration and support

Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-19 Thread Michael ODonnell
Here are some drivers that have at least a shot at recognizing that card: 8139cp 8139too r8169 ...so it might be interesting to see the results of this: modprobe thatDriver ...for each one. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-19 Thread Michael ODonnell
Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN My HP zd7000 has a wireless chip that until recently had no Linux supported, no thanks to the super-geniuses at BroadCom. However, I just upgraded the Debian distro on that machine and was pleasantly surprised to see that there is now a native driver, so I guess the

Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-18 Thread mike shlitz
Hi All, I recently inherited a fairly new Compaq Presario V2000 Laptop (V2606CU). It came to me with MSW Home on it and I'd like to switch it over to FC, CentOS, or Ubuntu. (Any suggestions or caveats welcome). CPU is a Mobile AMD Sempron Processor 3000+ (787 MHz) Current RAM = 256 MB (I

Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Nolin
40 GB HDD Matsushita UJDA 770 DVD/CDRW drive RealTek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN My Dell has this part, had to install an NDIS driver as there are not Linux drivers for it. Unless one has been released in the last two years. Mike

Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-18 Thread mike miller
shlitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop... Hi All, I recently inherited a fairly new Compaq Presario V2000 Laptop (V2606CU). It came to me with MSW Home on it and I'd like to switch it over

Re: Laptop repair

2006-12-06 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 12:11:12PM -0500, Tech Writer wrote: Can anyone suggest somewhere in the greater Southern New Hampshire area that can perform a simple laptop repair? I've got an older HP Pavilion that I just finished loading Linux onto. It was working great until the dog ran

Re: Laptop repair

2006-12-06 Thread hewitt_tech
- Original Message - From: Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GNHLUG Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Laptop repair Can anyone suggest somewhere in the greater Southern New Hampshire area that can perform a simple laptop repair

Re: Laptop repair

2006-12-05 Thread Christopher Chisholm
that can perform a simple laptop repair? I've got an older HP Pavilion that I just finished loading Linux onto. It was working great until the dog ran by, and yanked the power cable out. The connection is now loose and won't hold the cable. The lowest price I can get from HP repair

Laptop repair

2006-12-04 Thread Tech Writer
Can anyone suggest somewhere in the greater Southern New Hampshire area that can perform a simple laptop repair? I've got an older HP Pavilion that I just finished loading Linux onto. It was working great until the dog ran by, and yanked the power cable out. The connection is now loose

Re: Laptop repair

2006-12-04 Thread Drew Van Zandt
If you can't find somewhere professional to do it cheaply, I have a setup at home good enough for working with 0402 surface mount components, and could do it... disassembling and reassembling the laptop is a lot harder than the soldering itself, though, so you'd have to find directions

Re: Laptop repair

2006-12-04 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
I have done a lot of work on my old Inspirons myself, but never soldering. If this is an older laptop as you say, you may be able to find another identical model on eBay for real cheap, especially if it has a broken screen. Then, with all those spare parts, you can replace just about anything

Re: Laptop repair

2006-12-04 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Dec 4, 2006, at 13:08, Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: I have done a lot of work on my old Inspirons myself, but never soldering. If this is an older laptop as you say, you may be able to find another identical model on eBay for real cheap, especially if it has a broken screen

Re: Rant: My recent laptop purchase: Windows revisited...

2006-10-03 Thread Ben Scott
On 10/1/06, Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first thing that hit me when I booted XP was how bad the initial Windows graphic is. It sucks. It's grainy and shitty looking! This is probably the Acer laptop. The XP logo boot graphic is displayed in 640x480 on in a VESA standard

Re: Rant: My recent laptop purchase: Windows revisited...

2006-10-02 Thread Thomas Charron
Devils advicate responses for shits and giggles.On 10/1/06, Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first thing that hit me when I booted XP was how bad the initialWindows graphic is. It sucks. It's grainy and shitty looking! Com'on, this isn't the video hardware. If Microsoft has to run in

Rant: My recent laptop purchase: Windows revisited...

2006-10-01 Thread Randy Edwards
So I recently bought a new laptop. I don't really need one so I bought a cheap Acer model. The laptop came with WinXP Home edition. I have to confess, I don't use Windows on a daily or even weekly basis. I'm lucky that way. :-) In fact, I've avoided XP almost totally. Sure, I've played

Linux Laptop Rescue with Knoppix

2006-09-23 Thread Bill Ricker
My Linux laptop (thinkpad) was NFG for 24 hours, with GRUB Error 17. [Duration was unrelated to severity, just I had other things to do after I noticed the issue. ] Problem was caused by shutting down hard (power switch) during boot (due to real life intervening). Apparently I powered down

Trying to sell a laptop locally

2006-08-30 Thread Kjel Anderson
Hey everybody,I've tried Craigs List. Is there a better way? I listed it on Ebay and I think the problem was that it didn't have windows installed.Thanks,Kjel

Re: Trying to sell a laptop locally

2006-08-30 Thread Thomas Charron
LOL. Tell us what it is. ;-) Maybee you may get a bite locally on the list. ThomasOn 8/30/06, Kjel Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey everybody,I've tried Craigs List. Is there a better way? I listed it on Ebay and I think the problem was that it didn't have windows installed. Thanks,Kjel

Re: Trying to sell a laptop locally

2006-08-30 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Kjel Anderson writes: I've tried Craigs List. Is there a better way? I listed it on Ebay and I think the problem was that it didn't have windows installed. Suggestion: place your ad at your local college/university, especially near their computer science department. Regards, --kevin --

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-12 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: (Linus claims to be against micro-kernels. It turns out he just doesn't understand that is exactly what he created :) I take the opposite philosophy. RMS could have claimed to have successfully finished the GNU operating system after he distributed emacs. md -- Jon

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-12 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Monday 12 June 2006 12:16 pm, Paul Lussier wrote: (Linus claims to be against micro-kernels. It turns out he just doesn't understand that is exactly what he created :) Not exactly. I believe it is the Mach Kernel and similar types of microkernels that use message passing via some form of

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-08 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you're like me and don't want or need a GUI file manager or icons on the desktop or all that other stuff, that stuff really is just a waste of RAM. I suppose there are those who want that kind of thing. Me, I'll stick with my trusty screen full of

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-08 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 12:55:06PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you're like me and don't want or need a GUI file manager or icons on the desktop or all that other stuff, that stuff really is just a waste of RAM. I suppose there are those who want

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-08 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/8/06, Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You two remind me of a developer I once worked with who had a Sun 20 running emacs in text mode on the console. I would never do that. I'd miss out on being able to resize each xterm to fit the right amount of text for the task at hand.

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-08 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Thursday 08 June 2006 1:36 pm, Mark Komarinski wrote: On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 12:55:06PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you're like me and don't want or need a GUI file manager or icons on the desktop or all that other stuff, that stuff really is

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-07 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/6/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a side note... I have been a little surprised at how much disk and memory I need for a reasonable flavor of Linux. Most Linux distributions tend to keep pace with technology. Unfortunately, that means their system requirements have risen

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-07 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/6/06, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm mildly curious about things like GCJ (http://gcc.gnu.org/java/),which aim to compile Java-the-language to machine code for the hostplatform (e.g., i386), rather than compiling to machine code for Java-the-machine.In particular, I'm wondering what

Re: Linux on old laptop - memory

2006-06-07 Thread Tom Buskey
The Toshiba P150 I had could only cache 64MB of RAM in the CPU. If you had more, none of it was cached. However, 80MB, even w/o the cacheing was still better then 64MB. I think the cache issue is a P150 thing. On 6/6/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This old Gateway 2100 Solo laptop

Re: Linux on old laptop - memory

2006-06-07 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/7/06, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Toshiba P150 I had could only cache 64MB of RAM in the CPU. If you had more, none of it was cached. However, 80MB, even w/o the cacheing was still better then 64MB. I think the cache issue is a P150 thing. It's actually the chipset

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-07 Thread Jon maddog Hall
less technically savvy than you (or with less curiosity or patience) could pay someone to install a reasonable copy of Linux to their laptop, then make a backup of that for future use. Finally: Before this exercise began, the old laptop ran Windows-98, giving me email, a web browser, an old

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/6/06, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: once I trimmed out a little of the extra crud... in particular switching to a low-demand X window manager helped. This is a good idea even on modern systems. Gnome and KDE are huge resource hogs ... Indeed. Until last month, my main home PC

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-06 Thread Lawrence Tilly
First, I agree that the laptop mentioned above is probably underpowered for modern Java development. I'm fairly happy running Eclipse and other Java-based apps on my systems that are = 512MB / 1GHz, but haven't done much on anything smaller for a few years. For that machine if the user is only

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-06 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/6/06, Lawrence Tilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Games/JeffOnPerformance There seem to be an awful lot of exceptions and conditions in there. For example, the author states you should have a modern JIT compiler (whatever modern means), and ignore all the time

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-06 Thread Christopher Chisholm
I've always wondered: could you build a distro of linux that has native java support? when you think about how java works, it compiles programs to byte code, which is then executed on each platform by a virtual machine. what if someone created a linux kernel that could directly interpret

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-06 Thread Randy Edwards
could you build a distro of linux that has native java support? While it'd certainly take some serious work, I can't think of any technical reason why you couldn't -- and that would probably put the speed issue to bed once and for all. And of course, that possibility was likely one of

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-06 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/6/06, Christopher Chisholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when you think about how java works, it compiles programs to byte code, which is then executed on each platform by a virtual machine. Correct. what if someone created a linux kernel that could directly interpret and execute this byte

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Peggy Harris
I'm beginning to think it isn't the old system, or the slow processor that's making it tough to add Linux to this old laptop. It's the lack of memory. This system only has 40MB of RAM, and even Xubuntu wants 128 for a HD install. Peg - Original Message - From: Drew Van Zandt [EMAIL

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Peggy Harris
- From: Bill Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying... I'm beginning to see the same thing... For example, I looked at the Xubuntu

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Michael ODonnell
Somebody on this channel (maybe even me) can probably provide you with some additional RAM if we can figure out what sort you need. For example, I have a couple of 64Mb SODIMMs available now that I've replaced them with 256Mb versions in my little laptop

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Jon maddog Hall
Peggy, I have not seen anyone mention this, so here goes: Some of the large memory requirements of a system are to allow installation using the X Window system, a RAM disk, plus the kernel and the installation programs. After the system is installed, the requirements of a lot of this go away.

Java Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Bill Ricker
On the Java side for small memory ... if Java doesn't work out of the box on 40MB, try J2ME. http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=31733 -- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org

Re: Linux on old laptop - memory

2006-06-06 Thread Tech Writer
This old Gateway 2100 Solo laptop doesn't hold much memory, and I'm not exactly sure what type of memory module it is. This is what I've gathered so far... Page: http://www.memoryx.net/gaso21seme.html States that the Gateway Solo 2100 system can only take 80MB: Gateway Solo 2100 Series

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Tech Writer
began, the old laptop ran Windows-98, giving me email, a web browser, an old version of MS-Word, and even a few games for the kids... For some reason, I'd always thought I'd easily find an interesting Linux that would do as much, without requiring so much effort to get it up-and-running. Peg

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Very weird... I've installed Debian in less than 512 MB with X. (On a CF card, actually.) I'd recommend a very minimal initial install, then apt-get (or whatever) only the things you specifically need. (I've done an install in 256 MB CF, but had to do some install-time gymnastics to do so...I

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-06 Thread Chris Linstid
With Ubuntu, you used to be able to do a server install, which I believe was a more minimal install than the regular Ubuntu install. However, I've only just started playing with the new Ubuntu LiveCD/installation hybrid, so I'm not sure how you would go about it. Perhaps it is still be an option

Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6/4/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... 150 MHz Pentium ... 40MB RAM ... Some of my son's friends have decided to learn Java this summer ... Be warned that Java may be unbearably slow on that system. (Given that it's irritatingly slow on

Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-05 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/5/06, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be warned that Java may be unbearably slow on that system. (Given that it's irritatingly slow on much newer systems.) By what measurement do you determine that Java is slow ... My measurement is qualitative, not quantitative. Everything

Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Peggy Harris
Oh... and as a side note... I'm encouraged that there are four or five 14-year olds who want to learn more about Linux and Java, so I'd like to try to support them as much as possible... I've actually got a second old laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro, Pentium MMX processor, 80 MB RAM with 1.34

Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Peggy Harris
:57 PM Subject: Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages Ubuntu is a great desktop Linux distro, but I'd suspect it's not going to perform nicely on an older laptop like that. There's a new Xubuntu derivative that is using Xfce windowing for older hardware, will supposedly give you the best of both

Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Neil Schelly
On Monday 05 June 2006 08:35 am, Paul Lussier wrote: By what measurement do you determine that Java is slow, and compared to what? Is it slower for developement, or just running it? Is it slow compared to C, or Lisp, or Visual Basic? Are you doing systems programming with it or distributed

Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/4/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got an old Gateway Solo 2100 laptop with 150 MHz Pentium processor, 40MB RAM and 1.34 GB hard vdrive. It's been sitting in the corner collecting dust, and still contains Windows-98. Some of my son's friends have decided to learn Java

Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Context is unnecessary if, for example, Java is unbearably slow compared to nearly everything. The only things I've seen that are slower than (aggregate of all Java apps I've seen and used) are e.g. field simulators or modal analysis simulation tools... and since they're doing a lot of hardcore

Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Kevin D. Clark
A lot of the claims to the effect of Java is much faster nowadays are based on the fact that typical Java implementations nowadays include much better JIT (Just In Time) compilers. Translating an application's interpreted Java bytecode into native machine code can yield some very large

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-05 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/5/06, Kevin D. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also very possible that JVM's that run on Windows are more efficient than those that you typically see under Linux ... My personal experience is that the Sun Java VM is just as slow under Windows as it is under Linux, so I don't think

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-05 Thread Richard Soule
be happy with the kind of performance that you describe below. Not only that, but the developers who write the other tools at Oracle (Portal, XML Publisher, BPEL Designer, etc.) all use JDeveloper, many on Linux. My own personal experience: I've got a 1.6GHz Pentium laptop with 2GB of ram

Re: Speed of Java (was: Linux on old laptop in two stages)

2006-06-05 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/5/06, Richard Soule [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a 1.6GHz Pentium laptop with 2GB of ram and I'm able to run the below in quite a usable manner: Keep in mind the context of the original post was a 100 MHz laptop with 40 MB of RAM. Your video subsystem prolly has more RAM

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Tech Writer
- From: Bill Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GNHLUG User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages Ubuntu is a great desktop Linux distro, but I'd suspect it's not going to perform

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/5/06, Tech Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started up the Ubunu install, but it got caught up at: ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP If I did my googling right, that means ... Yah. In short, ACPI isn't there or is really broken. This is not unusual. What is ACPI, you ask? It's a way

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Paul Lussier
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found some reference to turning this off via a kernel parameter ... Yes. I think the syntax is acpi=off. We've got grub kernel params of 'noapic', is there also a noacpi? A quick googling for noacpi yields 'pci=noacpi' references. -- Seeya, Paul

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Tom Buskey
Fedora 4 system disables ACPI checking on a pre 1999 BIOS. I imagine a P150 laptop is 1997 era.I'd say Ubuntu needs a much more modern system with more power/ram/disk. What modern distributions will work well on P150 systems?Is it better to go retro w/ Redhat 7 era distributions?

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Michael ODonnell
Last place I worked we had some kernels that (counterintuitively) needed to be booted with both of these: noacpi acpi=off ...and Didn't you mean noapic? was definitely an FAQ. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Drew Van Zandt
I've run Debian recently on a 586/133 (AMD of some sort?) with 64 MB of RAM, and it was fine once I trimmed out a little of the extra crud... in particular switching to a low-demand X window manager helped. I can't remember which I ended up using, unfortunately, but it was based on googling for

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread John Abreau
Drew Van Zandt wrote: I've run Debian recently on a 586/133 (AMD of some sort?) with 64 MB of RAM, and it was fine once I trimmed out a little of the extra crud... in particular switching to a low-demand X window manager helped. I can't remember which I ended up using, unfortunately, but it

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Ricker
CDrom boot works, excellent. The Xubuntu CD is supposed to be better for old hardware than Ubuntu, you could try that. DSL will download quicker, it's *small* -- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/5/06, John Abreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like Matchbox is the favorite embedded WM, according to google. http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/ The screen shots seem to imply that it's designed for PDAs, cellphones, and the like. Might not be the best choice for a regular PC

Java Re: Linux on old laptop in two stages

2006-06-05 Thread Bill Ricker
want to use Commandline-only Linux, that probably mean Fluxbox or Xfce or one of the other lightweight alternative desktops instead of heavyweight Gnome and KDE, with a Distro optimized for old hardware (Xubuntu, DSL, Puppy, Vector, ..). I'm worried Eclipse won't fit on that laptop ... they'll may

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Tech Writer
iginal Message - From: "Bill Ricker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Tech Writer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "GNHLUG User Group" gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying... CDrom boot

Re: Linux on old laptop - still trying...

2006-06-05 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Try SLAX, it's another small one but really optimized for Pretty. --DTVZ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss

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