On 7 Jan 2014, at 21:31, Markus Hitter wrote:
> This prerequisite you talk about is a
> showstopper in some environments and does not solve the problem. If
> having showstoppers is the intention, I feel sorry for GNUstep.
Please, please, calm down and try to help me here;
I'm asking for infor
Hi All
I mostly agree with David about what features to highlight. ARC and blocks
are definitely the two big features that have affected the way I program on
iOS.
However, for someone writing apps for iOS / OS X and using features like
automatic @synthesize (no need to write @synthesize) and the,
For those on the -dev mailing list, we're talking about this bug:
https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?41125#comment0
Am 07.01.2014 15:17, schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
> I might guess that the issue you mean [...]
Instead of guessing I'd prefer you'd try with the shell snippets I
provided. They
Am 07.01.2014 21:32, schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
> To me the term 'shell snippet' means a script to be executed and I
> haven't seen you provide that.
I gave a bunch of commands which can be copy & pasted into a shell as-is.
> So, again I'm guessing a bit ... the only think I can think of
On 7 Jan 2014, at 18:08, Markus Hitter wrote:
>
> For those on the -dev mailing list, we're talking about this bug:
>
> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?41125#comment0
>
>
> Am 07.01.2014 15:17, schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
>
>> I might guess that the issue you mean [...]
>
> Instead of
I'm having a problem with Gemas and NSSavePanel. You can reproduce it with
these steps:
* Launch Gemas.
* Create a new file of type "Other" (Document -> New File -> Other).
* Write something.
* Save the file (don't add an extension).
* Close the document.
* Create a new file of type "Other".
* Wr
On 7 Jan 2014, at 18:15, Fred Kiefer wrote:
> On 07.01.2014 18:10, David Chisnall wrote:
>> On 7 Jan 2014, at 14:13, Stefan Bidi wrote:
>>
>>> The first step for anyone new to GNUstep, after they realize the
>>> distro supplied packages are sorely out-of-date, will be to compile
>>> it using th
On 07.01.2014 18:10, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2014, at 14:13, Stefan Bidi wrote:
>
>> The first step for anyone new to GNUstep, after they realize the
>> distro supplied packages are sorely out-of-date, will be to compile
>> it using the standard compiler/runtime supplied to build GNUstep
For those on the -dev mailing list, we're talking about this bug:
https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?41125#comment0
Am 07.01.2014 15:17, schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald:
> I might guess that the issue you mean [...]
Instead of guessing I'd prefer you'd try with the shell snippets I
provided. They
On Tue Jan 07 2014 at 4:31:57 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2014, at 16:13, Ivan Vučica wrote:
>
> > I definitely wouldn't go with anything like Objective-C+ARC since I, for
> one, don't think ARC is nearly as an important addition to the language as
> @synthesize.
>
> I completely disagr
On 7 Jan 2014, at 14:13, Stefan Bidi wrote:
> The first step for anyone new to GNUstep, after they realize the distro
> supplied packages are sorely out-of-date, will be to compile it using the
> standard compiler/runtime supplied to build GNUstep.
Both OpenBSD and FreeBSD ship with GNUstep pa
Am 07.01.2014 15:13, schrieb Stefan Bidi:
> The first step for anyone new to GNUstep, after they realize the distro
> supplied packages are sorely out-of-date, will be to compile it using the
> standard compiler/runtime supplied to build GNUstep.
I'm working on this to make this "first step" obsol
On 7 Jan 2014, at 16:13, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> I definitely wouldn't go with anything like Objective-C+ARC since I, for one,
> don't think ARC is nearly as an important addition to the language as
> @synthesize.
I completely disagree. @synthsize is a small improvement. It lets you
generate m
I get your viewpoint, but I disagree and have more faith in humanity than
that :-)
Post-2007 is post-2007. It's not "in 2007". It's not "in one year after
2007". Does the concept of post-PC include wearable computing? By the
aforementioned standards, it would seem to me personally that no -- it
wo
On 7 Jan 2014, at 14:19, Ivan Vučica wrote:
>> > "Post-2007 features in language and language runtime"?
>>
>> I read this as 'we support a 6-year old version of the language! Yay!'
>
> Last time I checked "post-2007" does include features introduced in 2011,
> 2012, 2013... :-)
It does, but
On Tue Jan 07 2014 at 10:37:43 AM, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2014, at 10:26, Ivan Vučica wrote:
>
> > "Post-2007 features in language and language runtime"?
>
> I read this as 'we support a 6-year old version of the language! Yay!'
>
Last time I checked "post-2007" does include features
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Sebastian Reitenbach <
sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de> wrote:
> How about just calling it as simple as: "GNUstep Runtime"
> That GNUstep runs on Objective-C, should be clear from the general
> description
> about what GNUstep is anyways.
>
I would just like to add t
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:23, Richard Frith-Macdonald
> wrote:
>
> However, I'm not sure that we can use the term ARC as a big selling point,
> simply because I'm not sure people will understand how good a feature it is.
True -- but when I have described ARC to non-ObjC developers/colleagues, m
On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 13:23 CET, Richard Frith-Macdonald
wrote:
>
> On 7 Jan 2014, at 12:16, Niels Grewe wrote:
>
> > (Sorry, forgot to CC the list)
> > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
> > >> Von: Niels Grewe
> >> Betreff: Re: Intermediate Summary: Re: GNUstep.org website
On 7 Jan 2014, at 12:16, Niels Grewe wrote:
> (Sorry, forgot to CC the list)
>
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
>
>> Von: Niels Grewe
>> Betreff: Re: Intermediate Summary: Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
>> Datum: 7. Januar 2014 13:00:12 MEZ
>> An: David Chisnall
>>
>>
>>
(Sorry, forgot to CC the list)
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
> Von: Niels Grewe
> Betreff: Re: Intermediate Summary: Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
> Datum: 7. Januar 2014 13:00:12 MEZ
> An: David Chisnall
>
>
> Am 07.01.2014 um 12:06 schrieb David Chisnall :
>
>> On 7 Ja
On 7 Jan 2014, at 10:49, Richard Frith-Macdonald
wrote:
>> I read 'Objective-C 2' as 'we support the features Apple introduced in 2005!
>> Yay!'
>
> You may be unusual in that.
Possibly, but the 2006 WWDC was the first and last time Apple referred to a set
of new Objective-C features as Obj
On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:02 CET, Markus Hitter wrote:
> Am 07.01.2014 09:37, schrieb David Chisnall:
> > - ARC
> > - Blocks
> > - Properties
>
> Good points. Please write the full wording, not everybody knows what
> "ARC" stands for. And how "Properties" is different from what C++ gave
Am 07.01.2014 09:37, schrieb David Chisnall:
> - ARC
> - Blocks
> - Properties
Good points. Please write the full wording, not everybody knows what
"ARC" stands for. And how "Properties" is different from what C++ gave
us in 1990.
> - Braindead array and dictionary syntax with poorly thought out
On 7 Jan 2014, at 10:37, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2014, at 10:26, Ivan Vučica wrote:
>
>> "Post-2007 features in language and language runtime"?
>
> I read this as 'we support a 6-year old version of the language! Yay!'
>
>> I'd however go with Objective-C 2.0. Apple may have stoppe
On 7 Jan 2014, at 10:26, Ivan Vučica wrote:
> "Post-2007 features in language and language runtime"?
I read this as 'we support a 6-year old version of the language! Yay!'
> I'd however go with Objective-C 2.0. Apple may have stopped using the name,
> but it is still a good historical descrip
"Post-2007 features in language and language runtime"?
I'd however go with Objective-C 2.0. Apple may have stopped using the name,
but it is still a good historical descriptor without a suitable
replacement. It is also a good name to point out a difference from a much
simpler language (and runtime
On 7 Jan 2014, at 09:23, Richard Frith-Macdonald
wrote:
> Good point ... I hadn't really considered the branding of the
> language/runtime.
>
> I agree that ARC is the killer feature. The others are, IMO relatively minor
> refinements not suitable to be the headline feature, or braindead/blo
On 7 Jan 2014, at 08:37, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2014, at 08:23, Sebastian Reitenbach
> wrote:
>
>> * better OBJC2 support, some more proper gs-make support
>
> A minor point, but Apple hasn't used the term 'Objective-C 2' for over five
> years. Possibly because they were mocked
On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 09:37 CET, David Chisnall
wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2014, at 08:23, Sebastian Reitenbach
> wrote:
>
> > * better OBJC2 support, some more proper gs-make support
>
> A minor point, but Apple hasn't used the term 'Objective-C 2' for over five
> years. Possibly becau
On 7 Jan 2014, at 08:23, Sebastian Reitenbach
wrote:
> * better OBJC2 support, some more proper gs-make support
A minor point, but Apple hasn't used the term 'Objective-C 2' for over five
years. Possibly because they were mocked for describing the version of
Objective-C that came after Obj
Hi,
thank's everyone for the input so far. A bit later than anticipated, but
here is the promised summary of the tread so far:
As the discussion turned out,
there are things that need clarification before it makes sense to setup a new
web presentation. Which also gives me, and Riccardo time to im
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