Mario Gouveia wrote:
There are millions of Catholic women who don't suffer
the same angst as you seem to be suffering on their
behalf.
That dear Mario, may perhaps be because half those millions of Catholic
women have been
brainwashed since birth that they are only entitled to be second class
George,
I think you are getting too emotionally and
intellectually invested in this issue, my friend, and
are likely to get very frustrated because there is no
satisfactory solution to the problem that upsets you
so much, even though your facts and logic may be
sound. Don't make it harder than it
If the reasons Maurice gives below are to be understood as religious beliefs, I
have no problem.
People believe any number of things. But if they are offered as logical
arguments, I have some
comments below.
--- maurice dmello goanet@goanet.org wrote:
The Pope has offered theological reasons
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Goans really want to do something for women and
THEIR women, do what we will do next month. Have a
Goan mother-daughter dinner.
And do it across caste lines.
Can all the conformists and non-conformists tell us
what have they recently done to support their
Gilbert,
Maybe having women cook food is a novel concept in
your home, or for people of your generation. However
in most Goan (and non Goan)dual income homes I have
been to (in N.America at least), sharing
responsibility on home chores is pretty routine.
So other than coming with excuses on why
The Pope has offered theological reasons for the Church's prohibition
of women priests in Christifidelis Laici and other documents. He has
emphasized that this restriction represents the mind of Christ, who could
have chosen women as apostles if he wanted to. He has also said that this is a
GL responds:
If Goans really want to do something for women and THEIR women, do what we will
do next month. Have a Goan mother-daughter dinner. The husband /fathers are the
cooks and the waiters at the dinner. Single women are not excluded as they are
somebody's mother and daughter.
No
Strange it seems —the RC Church that
discriminates against women (no women ordination)
and treats them like Taliban -- has canonized
women ?
It does not cost to criticize, without realistic
thought.
JV
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Diana,
Touche. Everyone who is familiar with the inner
workings of how most nuns conduct their business and
dedicate their lives to helping people where the
rubber meets the road as opposed to pontificating
from an ivory tower, most without any interest in
being priests and being bossed around by
George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario Goveia replies:
George, a learned and highly educated person like
you
Not true. Please take my word.
Mario replies:
Folks, take my word, George is both learned and
educated, as well as a deep thinker, sometimes to the
point of almost drowning,
Standing on the steeple and pontificating to the people, airing profound
thoughts with a superior air, massaging their delicate egos, bossing
everyone around, crushing any different opinion ruthlessly and doing
constant whitewashing jobs are perhaps tasks best left to the men, while we
women get
George - I don't disagree that in the RC church it's a matter of
practice and not theology. I too learned that from a Catholic priest.
:-)) However, women CAN become CATHOLIC priests, too, just not Roman
Catholic priests, but certainly Anglican Catholic, or is that not good
enough? I still
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As we have seen on this forum, no good reason has
been given by those who oppose women priesthood.
As a Goan priest mentioned to me last evening,
there is no theological reason which excludes
women priesthood, but it is a part of Church
practice.
Gilbert Lawrence responds
I have no strong feelings either way because women or no women would not come
between me and
my God and my church. If it affects someone, they need to re-evaluate their
reasons for
being Catholic and the follower of Christ
The issue is not someone's personal
--- Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fred - Women CAN become priests, but not in the RC church. If a woman
feels called to be a priest(ess), there are MANY denominations for her
to choose from, so why not choose one of them instead of banging her
head at the Vatican's door? If she were
Gabe, You are absolutely correct that a Pope's
pronouncement has to be ex cathedra to be considered
infallible.
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 23/04/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario and Viviana:
...
You
On 23/04/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario and Viviana:
...
You can question the Catholic religion all you want,
and make rational arguments till the cows come home,
and all you'll get in return is major angst. I don't
think
GL responds
Was it not your post Fred stating that an inquiry about one's village
(commonly done in Goa) and a look about at one's birth certificate tells
one about their caste.
The first part of the statement is true. Cecil Pinto has still not
forgiven me for saying this ;-) and says
P D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some men, in their disillusionment or through
subjugation, play the devil's advocate.
Admittedly women are much smarter than the male homo
sapiens. They have and wisely use their innate
sixth sense :-)
Pat,
This sixth sense, that you talk about, includes the
Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mervyn3.0
PS. Since no woman has spoken up for female catholic
priests, we can safely concur that they are quite
happy with the status quo :-)
Some men, in their disillusionment or through subjugation, play the devil's
advocate.
Admittedly women are much
I don't define equality as sameness - behaving just like a man is not
my idea of being equal to him. I know some women do, and they're
entitled to their opinions, of course. But dressing up in a suit like a
man and carrying around a briefcase like a man and working at
TRADITIONALLY men's
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario and Viviana:
I am afraid your logic will lead the Taliban in
Afganistan and others to conclude that is ok to
discriminate against women in the manner they have:
that's our religion, take it or leave it. No
room for rational thinking, just be
Can someone donate a prize to the netter who comes up with the most
convincing argument on why women shouldn't be allowed to become priests?
Also, were all you guys serious with the arguments you threw up? FN
Fred, the only real prize for a practicing Roman Catholic is knowing (s)he
is
Mario and Viviana:
I am afraid your logic will lead the Taliban in Afganistan and others to
conclude that is ok to
discriminate against women in the manner they have: that's our religion, take
it or leave it. No
room for ratioanl thinking, just be obedient to the Dark Ages.
Here are some
--- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
George,
I was told by the nuns in the Convent school I went to, that no one would go
and confess to a
female priest, as the general population is under the impression that their
sins would not be
held in confidence by a woman. I think that is why
Mervyn,
I see you are practicing to be a stand-up comedian,
but PLEASE keep your day job.
George,
I was told by the nuns in the Convent school I went
to, that no one would go and confess to a female
priest, as the general population is under the
impression that their sins would not be held
George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let us say one had a daughter who grew up to be a
CEO candidate in a major company and the Board
said to her: we cannot make you CEO because we think
you can't keep company secrets. Or she was
denied the Prime Minister's job because she could
not keep
George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What specific attribute that
priesthood requires which women do not have? What
specific conceptual difference which matters
to priesthood?
George,
I was told by the nuns in the Convent school I went
to, that no one would go and confess to a female
George,
I think Viviana has said enough about this topic, with
whom I agree.
For some reason, you have an issue with the Roman
Catholic Church as it stands today, with allegations
of sexism and racism. FYI, there are as many people
coming into the Roman Catholic Church as there are
leaving
--- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do appreciate the stand of the Catholic Church. It has nothing to do with
considering women
as inferior or not smart enough to priests. It has all to do with the
mental, physiological
makeup, or, to put it in other words, with the
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While it is true there are differences between men
and women, the justification for barring women
from being priests is not based on anything more
than sexism. Regardless of what fanciful reasons
are given, hiding behind the theological reasons
is
While it is true there are differences between men and women, the justification
for barring women
from being priests is not based on anything more than sexism. Regardless of
what fanciful reasons
are given, hiding behind the theological reasons is the belief that women are
second-class and
not
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