[Goanet] Best wishes to Dr. Gerry Rodricks and the cast of "Freezing a Mother-in-Law"

2008-04-27 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com
"Freezing a Mother-in-Law" - a play directed by Dr. Gerry Rodricks Senior Citizen's Guild, Panaji under the aegis of YMCA, and in collaboration with Kala Academy, Goa presents a hilarious play "Freezing a Mother-in-Law". The play is directed by Dr. Gerry Rodricks on Tuesday, 29th April 200

[Goanet] Daily Haiku #87

2008-04-27 Thread Francis Rodrigues
DAILY HAIKU #87: _ GOAN TOMBSTONE 4 _ here lies cajy cotta, found burnt at potta, his dear darling dotta made his watta hotta! _ http://2008goanconvention.com _ Daily Quote #7: __ "Hello Sonia-ji, I Dig u!! I mean, sorry m

Re: [Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Dr Santosh Helecar wrote: > I am also not sure why > Frederick invests his eastern pride in what is > essentially a western concoction. Why should the rest > of the western hemisphere be biased against 19th > century Germany? You're assuming it's "eastern pride" and then asking why it doesn't wor

[Goanet] I am looking for professional Interior Designers in Goa

2008-04-27 Thread edwardingoa
Hi, I am looking for professional Interior Designers in Goa, I am residing in Porvorim (currently in the UAE). I will be visiting Goa soon. Please give me your contact details if interested. Thanks *ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop at International Centre Goa

2008-04-27 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- "Frederick [FN] Noronha " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote: > > Dr Helecar, I'm no expert in Maths, let alone Vedic > Maths. I was just responding to your comment that >"Science and mathematics are universal". I don't have >the faith enough to make such a comment, and >I believe every field of human

Re: [Goanet] Konkan Curry: Village Panchayat Republics

2008-04-27 Thread Venantius Pinto
Purnanand Chari's words have deep resonance. Allow me a slightly different translation. "Vingodd, vingodd ghantti, punn tancho sur ek." They are various bells (all different -- a 'peal' of variegated bells), but their note (musical) is the same. [The bells are playing the same musical note--in har

[Goanet] Jobs in Kuwait

2008-04-27 Thread edwardingoa
*1.ASSISTANT MANAGER –AUTOMOTIVE* *LOCATION: KUWAIT* ·*AGE : 28 + YEARS* ·*SALARY :5000-8000 Dhms* ·*EXPERIENCE :* *MORE THAN 4 YEARS SALES AND MARKETING EXPERIENCE IN KUWAIT MARKET FOR BATTERIES AND OTHER ITEMS.* *Candidates with through market know

Re: [Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop

2008-04-27 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- Pravin Sabnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All the three medical practices of Allopathy, > Ayurveda and Homeopathy are presently driven by > market forces of an evergrowing industry. But the > alarming thing about the latter two is that they > refuse to be put to test by saying that they are

[Goanet] KLE hospital signs MoU with Apollo Victor (The Hindu)

2008-04-27 Thread Goanet News
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/04/27/stories/2008042751840300.htm KLE hospital signs MoU with Apollo Victor Staff Correspondent Belgaum: The city KLE Society's Prabhakar Kore Hospital and Medical Research Centre joined hands with Goa-based Apollo Victor Hospital to extend services in cardiology and

[Goanet] Goa Muslims resent hardline intrusion :: From Deccan Herald/ April 27, 2008

2008-04-27 Thread Goanet News
Feedback to: Devika Sequeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Goa Muslims resent hardline intrusion From Devika Sequeira, DH News Service, Panaji: Goa Pradesh Congress Committee vice-president M K Shaikh belongs to an old Muslim Goan family. But moderates like him are becoming increasingly anxious over

[Goanet] WHEN GRAM SABHAS TOOK A STAND... (Long)

2008-04-27 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil
Yesterday was a big day, as Gram Sabhas across the state took a stand against anti-people 'development'. Herald, Monday, April 28, 2008 has bunched together on p. 2 reports from a range of Gram Panchayats across Goa: Aldona, Santo Estevam, Cansaulim, Majorda, Pilerne, Keri. They have missed out Moi

[Goanet] DUST - monday-muse (28apr08)

2008-04-27 Thread Pravin Sabnis
MONDAY MUSE (28 April 2008) DUST Most shops choose to have transparent glass partitions as their front facades. They not only make the space look bigger from inside, but they also showcase the wares to the people walking outside. Besides they help the people inside to see the world outside. The

[Goanet] Sarpanch of Rachol VP downplays malaria threat

2008-04-27 Thread Goanet News
http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=042663 Sarpanch of Rachol VP downplays malaria threat NT Staff Reporter Margao, April 25 The Rachol sarpanch, Mr Guilherme Oliveira today refuted the charges made by the newly elected village panch, Mr Joseph Vaz that Rachol is facing a threat o

Re: [Goanet] Allopathic, Ayurvedic and Homeopathic Medicine

2008-04-27 Thread J. Colaco
Frederick [FN] Noronha * wrote You could get some pointers to the wider debate at the editorial below http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/jan102006/5.pdf == jc's response: I read that guest editorial at the time the issue took off more than a year ago. Unfortunately - it does NOT support the po

Re: [Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop at International Centre Goa

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Dr Helecar, I'm no expert in Maths, let alone Vedic Maths. I was just responding to your comment that "Science and mathematics are universal". I don't have the faith enough to make such a comment, and I believe every field of human endeavour is shaped by the context in which it grew. Including the

[Goanet] Aldonkars dump Acron's project

2008-04-27 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil
Aldonkars dump Acron's project Gomantak Times, April 28, 2008, p. 1 [Print edition has a photo of the Gram Sabha accompanying the report.] BY A STAFF REPORTER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slug: GRAM SABHA SUPREMACY Blurb: The sarpanch, panchas were indicted for clearing the over- Rs-50-lakh project witho

[Goanet] Konkan Curry: Village Panchayat Republics

2008-04-27 Thread Miguel Braganza
Village Panchayat Republics Swaraj is still the birthright that is 'colonized'! By Miguel Braganza Bal Gangadhar Tilak was not called "Lokmanya" Tilak for nothing. We continue to celebrate "Sarvajanik" Ganesh festivals, and even add the flavour of the Goan spirit to the 'visarjan' by the many

[Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop

2008-04-27 Thread Pravin Sabnis
Frederick [FN] Noronha wrote: >There has been a lot of debate over this issue, >which can be found by googling for "Vedic Maths >controversy". I would not be so eager to write it off, >knowing that a lot of traditional knowledge simply >gets dismissed in the face of "Universal" knowledge. >Systems

[Goanet] LIMERICK FOR THE DAY 82 - SPECIAL STATUS FOR GOA

2008-04-27 Thread Shanti Dhoot
SPECIAL STATUS FOR GOA It is more than high time that we tackled the problem of slums, Instead of just talking about it and twiddling our thumbs. How can we stop or regulate this unchecked migrant influx Aided by politicians, out to make a vote bank and fast bucks? Let us have action before th

[Goanet] AAM aadmi

2008-04-27 Thread Pravin Sabnis
Yesterday, was the day of AAM aadmi AAM stands Adavapal, Aldona and Moira but it also symbolises the impact of peoples' power at the various gramsabhas held all over Goa and of the increasing peoples' resistance to the destruction of their land and livelihoods. Early morning was in solidarity with

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: The WildGoa Newsletter! (long)(Clinton Vaz)

2008-04-27 Thread caroline mclachlan
I was really pleased to get your email today as, although I live in Wales,UK, I have subscribed to Goanet Reader for some years. I am very interested in wildlife, the ways children are encouraged to learn in and about their environment and also be aware of how to sustain the environment. Like

[Goanet] People's Protest against the 'IT Park' in Dona Paula

2008-04-27 Thread Jason Keith Fernandes
*Taleigao** **Residents** **Protest** **Land** Scam in Dona Paula 'IT Park'* The Taleigao Residents for Appropriate Development (TRAD) took their opposition against the IT Park on the Dona Paula Plateau to the Goa Agenda 2008. Organized by the Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry (GCCI) at Hotel F

[Goanet] Goa news for April 28, 2008

2008-04-27 Thread Goanet News Service
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Fiona MacKeown returns to Goa - Navhind Times [3 hours ago] ... earlier this year, has returned to Goa from England and is expected to meet senior police officials on April 28, to follow u

[Goanet] Talking Photos: Welcome to Goa - Reis Magos Fort, Church etc

2008-04-27 Thread JoeGoaUk
Talking Photos: Welcome to Goa - Reis Magos Fort, Church etc Hi guys, Come and Explore the ancient Reis Magos Fort at Verem. Do not miss the last two beautiful pics at sunset. First, the Reis Magos Church -Verem http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2446310239/sizes/l/ another angle http://www.

Re: [Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop at International Centre Goa

2008-04-27 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- "Frederick [FN] Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote: > > Maths has gender bias (one only needs to google). > And race bias too: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-racist_mathematics > It is hard to imagine how invocation of race and gender, and other spurious postmodernist political notions

Re: [Goanet] FW: Imported cheerleaders

2008-04-27 Thread goasuraj
While agreeing whole-heartedly with Averthan, the ongoing invasion of the 'diversionary tactics' employed by organizers of games worldwide (recently in India) is nothing but the greed to maintain the box-office returns which are drastically hampered by the widespread 'LIVE telecast' of the gam

Re: [Goanet] Allopathic, Ayurvedic and Homeopathic Medicine

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008/4/27 J. Colaco < jc> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > jc's response: > Here goes Frederick Noronha once again with this rather intriguing and > flat position on medicine. You could get some pointers to the wider debate at the editorial below CURRENT SCIENCE File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Vie

[Goanet] Caste and Creed

2008-04-27 Thread Mario Goveia
Mario Goveia wrote: > Have either of you stopped to wonder WHY there are reserved categories for lower caste Indians, after millenia of blatant discrimination that continues against them today? > Only when we get to the point that most people judge others by the content of their character can you d

[Goanet] Lets go to Goa - Panjim

2008-04-27 Thread edwardingoa
Situated on the Mandovi River, Panjim, or Panaji, is the capital of Goa state. A tiny village until the mid-18th century, Panaji became the capital in 1843 when repeated plagues forced the Portuguese to abandon their capital of Velha Goa (Old Goa). It contains colonial houses and plazas, and by law

Re: [Goanet] The Death of Goa b Rajan P. Parrikar

2008-04-27 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
2008/4/27 Chris Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Clinton's point is well taken--but it takes strong words and action to shake the "suseigado" Goans from their lethargy. I say, go Rajan, go! The clock on irresponsible development is running out! Earlier Clinton Vaz wrote to Rajan Parrikar Yesterday, I

Re: [Goanet] The Death of Goa b Rajan P. Parrikar

2008-04-27 Thread Chris Vaz
Clinton's point is well taken--but it takes strong words and action to shake the "suseigado" Goans from their lethargy. I say, go Rajan, go! The clock on irresponsible development is running out! We have nothing to fear, but fear itself! - Original Message - From: "JOHN MONTEIRO

Re: [Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop at International Centre Goa

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Maths has gender bias (one only needs to google). And race bias too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-racist_mathematics Just today, I was reading that Marco Polo 'discovered' China. To believe that knowledge -- whether the Sciences or the social sciences -- is not born and nurtured in its socia

[Goanet] TRUE GREATNESS

2008-04-27 Thread Mervyn & Elsie Maciel
Wading through a mountain of mail/reading material which had accumulated during our 3 months absence in Western Australia, I came across this interesting 'composition' which I'd like to share with you all. Apologies if some of you have seen this before. Here goes:- A group of students in a school

Re: [Goanet] Enchantment and Delusion

2008-04-27 Thread Mario Goveia
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RESPONSE: The moral of the story: stay in India, > they exploit you in the US of A. > Mario responds: > Somehow, the information that "they exploit you in the US of A" seems to have escaped the attention of the millions of immigrants that have always

[Goanet] The sounds of Goa lost forever

2008-04-27 Thread Carvalho
As I travel, I'm surprised not by how different the world is but how very similar it has become. Malls, gated communities and office towers look the same everywhere, and in this homogenisation of sights, perhaps what is less obvious is the loss of individual and indigenous sounds. When we traveled

[Goanet] Acron Developers - Moira and Moidekars - A Report on Gram Sabha Meeting

2008-04-27 Thread floriano
After the formation of the 'ABA' [Aldona Bachao Abhiyan] to fight/stop the ravages of hill-cutting by the Acron Developers in Panth-Carona/Aldona, the first well organized and vocal opposition to the massively planned 'gated community project' by Acron in the Village of Moira took place at the reg

[Goanet] searching for a football club

2008-04-27 Thread anderson cliffordson
Dear sir, To whom it may concern, am writting this email in respect of my football career. Am O Saint Frank Clifford By name, am from nigeria in africa, i came to india just a month ago hoping that getting here i we find a football club to continue my career. I was one playing in a lower divi

Re: [Goanet] The Death of Goa b Rajan P. Parrikar

2008-04-27 Thread JOHN MONTEIRO
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISM IS ONE THING.. and also its good to see the other side of the coin, thank you Clinton John Monteiro Clinton Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Rajan, Yesterday, I was driving by Donna Paula

[Goanet] Experimath workshop ... and Navnirmiti http://www.navnirmiti.org/

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Navnirmiti http://www.navnirmiti.org/ is holding a workshop in Goa shortly. Dr Nandita mentioned that all the 20 slots are filled up. But they possibly will have another workshop soon here. In the meantime, please check up their website. Very insightful. FN -- Forwarded message --

[Goanet] ACRON BITES THE DUST

2008-04-27 Thread Tony de Sa
Hi All, "ACRON BITES THE DUST" - This was a headline in our local papers when the Aldona Gram Sabha decided to take on the unprincipled Acron builders. Not to be outdone by their neighbours, Moidekars showed their mettle at the Gram Sabha today (27/04/2008) and voted to revoke the license given to

[Goanet] Margao turning into communal flashpoint; NCM told

2008-04-27 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil
Herald, 27 April 2008, p 3 Margao turning into communal flashpoint; NCM told BY HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, ARPIL 26 – The commercial capital of Goa, Margao, is fast turning out to be a flashpoint of communal violence, stated members of the Christian Muslim Dialogue for Life (CMDL) in a submission befo

[Goanet] Allopathic, Ayurvedic and Homeopathic Medicine

2008-04-27 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
Dear all, I was about to direct your attention towards this article which is attracting serious attention in this hemisphere when a few "medical" lines from Frederick Noronha caught my attention. First the article: Bad Medicine in the Market http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.26368/pub_detail.

Re: [Goanet] 3-day Vedic Mathematics Workshop at International Centre Goa

2008-04-27 Thread Santosh Helekar
Frederick [FN] Noronha wrote: > >It might just be another way of doing things, >inadequately recognised by (mostly) Western-shaped >science and maths. > Science and mathematics are universal. There is no western-shaped and eastern-shaped science or mathematics. Narlikar, Dani and many other scho

Re: [Goanet] Goan Food: HERALD(Goa), Apr 27, 2008

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Valmiki mentioned Mangalorean food. Here's a nice place I wrote about half-a-decade ago (2003). I passed by recently, but haven't eaten there for 2-3 years, so am not sure how it has since shaped up. There are two Hotel Mangalores in the locality; make sure the one you go to is on the left of the

Re: [Goanet] A special Thanks to Goanet and Goanetters

2008-04-27 Thread Alfred de Tavares
My dear cheery, merry Regina Banditti, May I hope to be included as a core-member of your family? I promise to fetch you camels ladden with chouriço goanensi and bawl out ...oraora...pro...nobis...till the crows desert your neighbourhood. Done??? Pray say yea and make my day! To

[Goanet] Go Goa: West coast wonderland is about water sports

2008-04-27 Thread D'Souza, Avelino
Go Goa: West coast wonderland is about water sports Lilly Saddi - TNN Goa is much more than beaches and sea. I realised this when I visited the scenic city. Enthralling Goan dances, life full of adventure, water sports and tourists who throng the city from all over the world definitely makes Goa

Re: [Goanet] ALERT OF POLICE INTIMIDATION

2008-04-27 Thread goasuraj
Dear Venancio, Your guess is as good as mine, for now. BTW. I had a long chat with PI Santosh Desai of Margao after the alert was despatched. As a matter of fact I couldn't get connected over the phone. Mr. D'Souza was released on bond of Rs. 1/- by then. But the story of PI Santosh Desai a

[Goanet] KGA Gala 'Sparkles Nite'

2008-04-27 Thread salvador dias
KGA Gala 'Sparkles Nite' Kuwait Goan Association (KGA) on their third anniversary celebrations proudly announce "KGA Gala 'Sparkles Nite' on Thursday, October 9th, 2008 at Kuwait's finest hotel with live music band in attendance. Mark the date for a glamourous evening full of innovative presentati

[Goanet] Seeking submissions: Goanet Reader

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Dear all: We look forward to the opportunity to circulate your writing through our significant and appreciative readership, via the Goanet Reader network. Since this is a not-for-profit, unfunded venture, we cannot pay our writers. Instead, we offer them a readership of 12,000 ... and we enco

[Goanet] New uploads on Mand blog

2008-04-27 Thread sebastian Rodrigues
Few new uploads on Mandgoa blog: 1. Pissurlem's mineral loot for Rs. 20 lakh! http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2008/04/pissurlems-mineral-loot-for-rs-20-lakh.html 2. Fresh Police cases filed against Colamb village defenders http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2008/04/fresh-police-cases-filed-against-c

Re: [Goanet] Goan Food

2008-04-27 Thread Seb dc
Talking about 'Kalchi kodi', for those who are holidaying in Goa and returning back, do carry this culinary delight. I just happened to see it displayed at groceries in Margao, packed & marketed by Costa's and priced @ Rs.29/- hAVE a nICE dAY Seb - Original Message - From: "Mervyn & Elsie

Re: [Goanet] Goan Food: HERALD(Goa), Apr 27, 2008

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
FOOD FROM GOA... AND K.T. ACHAYA Many years ago, while covering the Traditional Science Congress at IIT-Chennai, I was waiting in an empty hall, killing time till the session started. On getting talking to the man in the next seat, he struck me as being erudite and well-informed. K.T.Achaya was a

[Goanet] Talking Photo: New

2008-04-27 Thread JoeGoaUk
Ok, 1. Where is this in Goa? 2. What is this war item called? 3. Identify the spots in the background 4. What else you can blow off from here (on land). Note: Ans to 4 abv is optional http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2444598613/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info

[Goanet] As spelling changes, Portugal feels the empire striking back

2008-04-27 Thread Goanet News
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hzaNVZFXuPcnLm-mMOA251aYDO_gD909LCRG0 As spelling changes, Portugal feels the empire striking back By BARRY HATTON – 16 hours ago LISBON, Portugal (AP) — Portugal's former empire is striking back — through language. As Brazil rises on the international stage a

[Goanet] Goan Food

2008-04-27 Thread Mervyn & Elsie Maciel
I must say I enjoyed Valmiki Faleiro's piece on GOAN FOOD, even though it set my taste buds working and my mouth a-watering at the sound of those irresistible truly Goan offerings like, balchao, molho, para, not forgetting the popular the mouth-watering *"kalchi kodi". *Like many other Goans, I

[Goanet] Speaking of Goan food and websites

2008-04-27 Thread Carvalho
A genuinely kind Goan senor from London sent me this fabulous website: http://www.goanfood.co.uk/ The reason I paste this is, I wonder if Gulf-Goans have hit upon this idea. When we were in Dubai, we had to wait for that trip back home to stock up on our choritzos and paras, and those would then

Re: [Goanet] Compiling a list of restaurants/bars that are suspected of serving frog legs

2008-04-27 Thread Nigel Britto
Hey people, Nice initiative. WHy don't we add boar/deer too to the menu? :) On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM, sonia gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another restaurant is Five Flowers in Cansaulim > > Sonia do Rosario Gomes > --- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dearest Clinton, > >

Re: [Goanet] Goan Restaurant in London, Middx

2008-04-27 Thread Carvalho
Thanks Ed, What a coincidence, I live about 5 minutes from there. I saw the board yesterday and for some reason thought it was a travel agency. Now, I'll have to check it out and write a review for Goanetters. London's looking a lot better now with a Goan restaurant in my backyard :-) Selma --- e

[Goanet] Scenario planning for Mopa (I)

2008-04-27 Thread Philip Thomas
Greenfield airports policy a consolidated one: Patel Vinay Kumar http://www.thehindu.com/2008/04/27/stories/2008042755871000.htm < In case of a proposal to set up an airport within 150 km of an existing airport, the application shall be considered by the Steering Committee. The Committee shall cons

Re: [Goanet] Imported cheerleaders

2008-04-27 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet - It is amusing to be a bystander in this spectacle of Indian hypocrisy. I was watching some twit on TV the other day ranting about the 'indecent' cheerleaders when the show cut to an ad break. The first in line was the highly risque ad for the Frenchie X underwear, with close-ups

[Goanet] An international image agency run by a Goan in London...

2008-04-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
http://www.newspixinternational.co.uk/Home.html Run by Francis Dias at Newspix International, 31 Chinnery Hill, Bishop's Stortford, CM233PS, Tel: 0044 (0)1279 324 672 Fax: 0044 (0)1279 656 877 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Newspix International Is an international photographic agency supplyin

[Goanet] FW: Imported cheerleaders

2008-04-27 Thread Averthan D'Souza
_ From: Averthan D'Souza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 April 2008 12:15 Subject: Imported cheerleaders Dear Editor, Our newspapers are reporting the controversy which has erupted over the import of cheer leaders for the IPL cricket matches. Unfortunately the c

Re: [Goanet] Compiling a list of restaurants/bars that are suspected of serving frog legs

2008-04-27 Thread sonia gomes
Another restaurant is Five Flowers in Cansaulim Sonia do Rosario Gomes --- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dearest Clinton, > I am glad wildlife Goa is taking on this battle. > Martin's Corner is definitely the worst offender, > and > I write this because I myself have been offered > "jump