RE: [google-appengine] Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Brandon Wirtz
My experience is that Edge Cache bounces between on, and off, and you can't depend on it working. Oddly, It has never not worked for my MS Apps, only my HR have issues. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Bronson Sent: Thursday

[google-appengine] Re: Mail Server of mail2000.com.tw gets the same mail twice?

2011-09-16 Thread hoamon
i got the answer. It is the "to" and "bcc" field setup problem. I used to like set bcc field to send mail, but GAE did't allow me to only set bcc. Then i set the "to" and "bcc" field at the same time, and for the gmail recipients, the gmail server will filter the same mail for duplicate mails

Re: [google-appengine] Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Nick Johnson
Hi Joshua, The edge cache is just that - a cache. It doesn't guarantee that no 304 requests will reach your app, only that they will be satisfied by the cache if possible - and if the headers you set permit it. The more popular your content is, the more effect you're likely to see from the cache.

Re: [google-appengine] Question about datastore cost optimization by reusing old entities for new data

2011-09-16 Thread Gopal Patel
nice idea but you are not counting the "search for an entity that is 3+ months old" data stores cycle On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Rishi Arora wrote: > In my app I have a an Entity group that stores user activity data - like a > high level application log of user activity. This is the En

Re: [google-appengine] Question about datastore cost optimization by reusing old entities for new data

2011-09-16 Thread Rishi Arora
Ah yes, good point. So I suppose I should assume I'm not saving any CPU cycles. And cycles spent in a end-of-day cron job deleting old data, will now be spent searching for old entities at the time of writing new ones. I also found out that reading an entity and writing it back with a different

[google-appengine] Re: Questions abount ancestors and ancestor queries

2011-09-16 Thread Jay
I just read inside this discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/29836be55ad7491d/f4039f9f27f31617 ...that the query performance is not improved significantly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engin

Re: [google-appengine] Re: URL fetch timeout bigger than 10 sec

2011-09-16 Thread Rishi Arora
Here's what I read in the documentation: For front-ends: (http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/urlfetch/overview.html#Requests) "*You can set a deadline for a request, the most amount of time the service will wait for a response. By default, the deadline for a fetch is 5 seconds. The maximum

[google-appengine] XMPP Presence

2011-09-16 Thread ramesh
Hi, I am trying to know user presence on my application. If i add xmpp presence service to my application, can i get all the users status who are registered my application or all the users of gtalk? I have tried adding xmpp presence, request coming to one of my servlet but it saying that

Re: [google-appengine] I can't turn on datastore admin from dashboard.

2011-09-16 Thread Niklas Rosencrantz
I have this problem from my app that uses federated login. When I try enable datastore admin it says Error: Not Found The requested URL /_ah/login_required?continue=http://ah-builtin-python-bundle-dot-latest-dot-.appspot.com/_ah/datastore_admin/was not found on this server. -- You received th

Re: [google-appengine] Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Joshua Bronson
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Nick Johnson wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > The edge cache is just that - a cache. It doesn't guarantee that no 304 > requests will reach your app, only that they will be satisfied by the cache > if possible - and if the headers you set permit it. The more popular your

Re: [google-appengine] Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Joshua Bronson
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Brandon Wirtz wrote: > My experience is that Edge Cache bounces between on, and off, and you can’t > depend on it working. Oddly, It has never not worked for my MS Apps, only > my HR have issues. > It sounds like it's related to request rate and not M/S vs HR. J

[google-appengine] Re: Entity Sizing / Grouping wrt New Pricing

2011-09-16 Thread Joops
Going through a similar process myself. (combining multiple entities into single entities as bundles of Json) I think it's a good idea and I think you will want to do experiments to see what size works best for you. I have made it so I can tweak the point at which my entities are forked into sepa

[google-appengine] Re: API call datastore_v3.Put() required more quota ?

2011-09-16 Thread sofia
I have the same problem.. Datastore quota at 100% and unable to delete an entity either through admin or using map/reduce. What I did is set up a script to delete x records at a time. I've managed to decrease data by 45% in 2 days but I then hit cpu quota so I'm guessing it's gonna take a few m

[google-appengine] Re: API call datastore_v3.Put() required more quota ?

2011-09-16 Thread Gerald Tan
>From my experience (at least with Java) I believe sleep() continues to eat cpu time despite the cpu not really doing anything. My cpu times skyrocketed when I used sleep() with long-held http connections to implement http push back before channel api was available. I recommend breaking the work

[google-appengine] Re: Entity Sizing / Grouping wrt New Pricing

2011-09-16 Thread Steve
Thanks for the input. If you don't mind me asking, how large were your entities when you noticed deserialization taking a long time? Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit

[google-appengine] What happens under the hood when a Property is switched from indexed to unindexed

2011-09-16 Thread Alex Epshteyn
Suppose you have lots of entities of a certain kind in the datastore and you want to change some of their properties (e.g. of type StringProperty) to unindexed (whereas they were previously indexed). Once you set indexed=False on the property, what happens to the existing index? Does it get delet

[google-appengine] seems scheduler is avoiding using the idle instance.

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
current instances for my small site: 0.683 156.9 ms58 0 0:03:14 87.4 MBytes Dynamic Icon Dynamic 0.050 0.0 ms 1 0 0:00:07 54.1 MBytes Dynamic Icon Dynamic 0.017 177.0 ms4 0 0:23:48 76.6 MBytes Dynamic I

[google-appengine] Re: seems scheduler is avoiding using the idle instance.

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
After about 4 minutes, instance snapshot: 0.200 356.3 ms18 0 0:03:46 88.2 MBytes Dynamic Icon Dynamic 0.050 16726.0 ms 1 0 0:00:28 74.3 MBytes Dynamic Icon Dynamic 0.000 0.0 ms 4 0 0:27:26 76.6 MBytes Dynam

[google-appengine] Re: seems scheduler is avoiding using the idle instance.

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
Another 4 minutes passed, 0.000 0.0 ms 4 0 0:04:21 78.8 MBytes Dynamic Icon Dynamic 0.000 0.0 ms 4 0 0:31:20 76.6 MBytes Dynamic Icon Dynamic The idle instance still haven't handle any requests in the new 4 minutes. On Sep 17, 2:06 am, Tapir

[google-appengine] Re: What happens under the hood when a Property is switched from indexed to unindexed

2011-09-16 Thread Bryce C
On Sep 16, 10:37 am, Alex Epshteyn wrote: > Suppose you have lots of entities of a certain kind in the datastore > and you want to change some of their properties (e.g. of type > StringProperty) to unindexed (whereas they were previously indexed). > > Once you set indexed=False on the property,

[google-appengine] _ah/login_redir 500 server error

2011-09-16 Thread Vivek Madurai
we are using federated login to enable openid authentication, It throws the below errror when we try to access via google authentication, http://xyz.appspot.com/_ah/login_required?openid=google.com/accounts/o8/id&continue= Error: Server Error The server encountered an error and could not complete

[google-appengine] Re: Channel API not working properly

2011-09-16 Thread balaa
I'm experiencing issues with the Channel API only being able to successfully send 1 message to my connected clients. After the one message is received any subsequent messages are not received by the client until I reestablish the socket connection? Is this related to this service outage? Client

Re: [google-appengine] new pricing actually not so bad...

2011-09-16 Thread Chapman Howser
You're not the first to make these points. Unfortunately I don't think they are widely understood. And for that reason GAE may be fatally wounded from the recent poorly informed outrage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To

Re: [google-appengine] Re: OpenID authentication gives 500 Server Errors?

2011-09-16 Thread Malte Jäger
helps-> /_ah/login_redir?claimid=*www.* google.com/accounts/o8/id&continue=... we need to know why this happens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/

Re: [google-appengine] Question about datastore cost optimization by reusing old entities for new data

2011-09-16 Thread Daniel Hans
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Rishi Arora wrote: > In my app I have a an Entity group that stores user activity data - like a > high level application log of user activity. This is the Entity Group that > I expect to grow the fastest over time, and I have decided to keep only the > last 3 mont

[google-appengine] Error when trying to login using google account

2011-09-16 Thread Robert Ahlin Toftegaard
This morning, the openId-login on one of my applications, suddenly stopped working. I use the following basic code (found on http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/openid.html#fa) <% Map openIdProviders; openIdProviders = new HashMap(); openIdProviders.put("Google", "google.com/accounts/o

[google-appengine] Emails don't reach recipients at Google Apps account

2011-09-16 Thread Luis
Hi there, We are using the Mail Java API to send emails from our application, and we have found that some reason we don't know, there are certain emails that don't reach recipients at Google Apps accounts. There no errors while sending and there are no bounces. This happens when we try to reach j

[google-appengine] Re: Channel API not working properly

2011-09-16 Thread gae channel user
http://www.help-live-chat.com is suffering too and the same error still persists after many errors. Keeping an eye out on the outage page but no activity there. On Sep 15, 3:05 pm, ShinTEZUKA wrote: > Me too... I got that error a few hours ago. But 7 hours ago, it woks > fine(in JAPAN). > And it

[google-appengine] Re: OpenID authentication gives 500 Server Errors?

2011-09-16 Thread Vivek Madurai
Iam also facing the same problem from today morning as James Broberg told,I used www.google.com instead of google.com it works fine.. http://xyz.appspot.com/_ah/login_required?openid=www.google.com/accounts/o8/id&continue= Thanks, Vivek On Sep 16, 10:54 am, Lucian Baciu wrote: > My users are s

[google-appengine] Remote API call: I/O error

2011-09-16 Thread Steve Roy
Hello, We received several remote API call: I/O errors while call the remote api at 3:02 AM East Coast last night. Was there a brief outage or was some maintenance occurring? Thank You, - steve com.google.appengine.tools.remoteapi.RemoteApiException: remote API call: I/O error at co

[google-appengine] OpenID consumer application

2011-09-16 Thread Sean Murphy
Hi, I'm trying to do some work with openid - I don't want to use the federated login as I also want to support facebook connect. (I'm open to advice on the best approach to do this, but for now, I've been looking into rolling my own openid functionality). I've been looking at the example provid

[google-appengine] Re: Any plans to have independent instance settings for versions?

2011-09-16 Thread troppoli
FWIW I find myself really wanting to be able to set different settings for different versions as well. Here's my use case. We have apps that check in with a server for messages related to product promotion, down services, house ads etc. As new versions of our product come out, we got better at pas

Re: [google-appengine] XMPP Presence

2011-09-16 Thread Kim, Kyusun
첨부가 없어요. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:56 PM, ramesh wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to know user presence on my application. > > If i add xmpp presence service to my application, can i get all the users > status who are registered my application or all the users of gtalk? > > I have tried adding x

[google-appengine] Re: Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Bryce Cutt
> > The edge cache is just that - a cache. It doesn't guarantee that no 304 > > requests will reach your app, only that they will be satisfied by the cache > > if possible - and if the headers you set permit it. The more popular your > > content is, the more effect you're likely to see from the cac

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Bryce Cutt wrote: > > The onus is always on you to have as many levels of cache in place as > you can get away with so, depending on what you are caching, you are > going to benefit from using the edge cache, memcache, and instance > global variable caching all at

Re: [google-appengine] new pricing actually not so bad...

2011-09-16 Thread Rachel Gollub
I have to say, I went through the same thing. I originally saw my costs go up about 8x with the new pricing, so I posted that I was going to look into other options. I did, and they seemed comparable, but transferring the database was going to be a cost problem. Then we got the news that the ins

[google-appengine] Re: Emails don't reach recipients at Google Apps account

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
Maybe I have also encounter this problem. Half of my website new users didn't activate their account. I really don't know if they have received the activation email or not. Neither errors returned nor emails bounced when sending the activations emails. It is very frustrated. Luis wrote: > Hi there

Re: [google-appengine] Entity Sizing / Grouping wrt New Pricing

2011-09-16 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
The first question I would ask is: Is this really a problem? Have you looked at your bill and decided for certain that the savings would be worth changing your code & possibly cluttering your business logic? That said, I would be tempted to see what optimization you can make with memcache. Seem

[google-appengine] Re: new pricing actually not so bad...

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
The new 28 hours free computing is absolutely a right decision. But I think the overall prices are still too high. On Sep 17, 2:36 am, Rachel Gollub wrote: > I have to say, I went through the same thing.  I originally saw my costs go > up about 8x with the new pricing, so I posted that I was goin

[google-appengine] Re: Emails don't reach recipients at Google Apps account

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
I test send emails to an address that doesn't exist at all. But there is still no errors returned or emails bounced. So I think the send-mail system of gae is problematic. On Sep 17, 2:38 am, Tapir wrote: > Maybe I have also encounter this problem. > Half of my website new users didn't activate t

[google-appengine] GAE + JAXWS bug

2011-09-16 Thread Deepak Singh
Hi, I am using JAXWS 2.1 client on GAE 1.5.4 and gets the following exception. com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.reflect.Accessor$FieldReflection : Unable to make javax.xml.ws.wsaddressing.W3CEndpointReference.address accessible. java.lang.SecurityException: java.lang.IllegalAccessException: Reflectio

Re: [google-appengine] Entity Sizing / Grouping wrt New Pricing

2011-09-16 Thread Steve
Hi Jeff, Yes, it's really a concern. Previously fetching 20 small sequential entities cost about the same as fetching 1 large entity 20x the size of the small ones. Now it's costing 10-20x as much because of the per-read (and per write for puts) pricing. I'm already using memcache extensivel

[google-appengine] Re: Emails don't reach recipients at Google Apps account

2011-09-16 Thread Luis
Hi Tapir, I do agree it is really frustrating. Did you create an issue? If not, I would suggest you create one to have someone from the GAE team looking at this. I did create one last Monday (http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/ issues/detail?id=5876), but didn't get any feedback. Just that

[google-appengine] Write Ops incurred during Model.put()

2011-09-16 Thread Alex Epshteyn
Does a Model.put() call incur Write Ops for every indexed property in an entity regardless of whether the actual property values have changed? In other words, if I update a stored entity having only changed one property, does the datastore update just that one index with 2 write ops (asc & desc) o

[google-appengine] Will we be able to buy discounted instance-hours for B1 backends?

2011-09-16 Thread Jason Collins
The B1 backend specs are the same as frontend specs. Will we be able to buy discounted instance-hours for backend B1 instances? Any possibility of a similar discount being applied to B2/B3/B4 for pre-commitment? j -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "G

[google-appengine] what the Datastore Writes and Reads mean?

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
In the billing history, I see: Resource Used Free Billable Charge Datastore Writes: $1.00/Million Ops 0.050.050.00$0.00 Datastore Reads: $0.70/Million Ops 0.060.050.01$0.01 what the free 0.05 means? 0.05 * Million Ops = 50k o

RE: [google-appengine] Re: Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Brandon Wirtz
I have no proof, but I think Edge cache is X size for all of Google. And When Google Traffic goes up, your app gets less edgecache. This is conjecture. But based on how I would design a system, and what I have seen of the way it works... I think that they can't give you a spec because you are po

[google-appengine] Re: Emails don't reach recipients at Google Apps account

2011-09-16 Thread JH
Generally email api's will not be able to tell you if you are sending to a bad email address. Just because mail.send returns to you it does not mean the email has actually been sent. It may sit in a queue for an arbitrary amount of time before going out. The issue however, is that gae email has

[google-appengine] Re: Emails don't reach recipients at Google Apps account

2011-09-16 Thread Tapir
If I use aws, why I should still use gae? On Sep 16, 5:02 pm, JH wrote: > Generally email api's will not be able to tell you if you are sending > to a bad email address.  Just because mail.send returns to you it does > not mean the email has actually been sent.  It may sit in a queue for > an arb

Re: [google-appengine] Will we be able to buy discounted instance-hours for B1 backends?

2011-09-16 Thread Gregory D'alesandre
We don't plan to provide it just yet but could do so in the future. Greg On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Jason Collins wrote: > The B1 backend specs are the same as frontend specs. > > Will we be able to buy discounted instance-hours for backend B1 > instances? > > Any possibility of a similar

Re: [google-appengine] Re: OpenID authentication gives 500 Server Errors?

2011-09-16 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Hey everyone, Yeah, that's the correct fix. The original documentation should have shown that the www prefix is the officially supported prefix. Is there anyone that can't deploy a change with this fix anytime soon? There is a fix being worked on but it won't go out soon. -- Ikai Lan Developer P

[google-appengine] Re: _ah/login_redir 500 server error

2011-09-16 Thread Miguel
The same to me! HELP!! .. On Sep 16, 12:49 am, Vivek Madurai wrote: > we are using federated login to enable openid authentication, > > It throws the below errror when we try to access via google > authentication,http://xyz.appspot.com/_ah/login_required?openid=google.com/accounts/... > > Er

Re: [google-appengine] Re: _ah/login_redir 500 server error

2011-09-16 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Change the url to be www.google.com instead of google.com. -- Ikai Lan Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine plus.ikailan.com | twitter.com/ikai On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Miguel wrote: > The same to me! > > HELP!! .. > > On Sep 16, 12:49 am, Vivek Madurai > wrote: > > we

Re: [google-appengine] Re: How deployments influence instance hours?

2011-09-16 Thread Sergey Schetinin
Bump #3 =) On 12 September 2011 00:38, Sergey Schetinin wrote: > Bump #2 > > On 7 September 2011 13:53, Sergey Schetinin wrote: >> Bump >> On Sunday, 4 September 2011 14:20:31 UTC+3, Sergey Schetinin wrote: >>> >>> So when we deploy a new version, let's assume there was one instance >>> running

[google-appengine] Re: Status of edge cache?

2011-09-16 Thread Bryce Cutt
> > The onus is always on you to have as many levels of cache in place as > > you can get away with so, depending on what you are caching, you are > > going to benefit from using the edge cache, memcache, and instance > > global variable caching all at the same time. > > Sure, but when designing ou

Re: [google-appengine] Re: OpenID authentication gives 500 Server Errors?

2011-09-16 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
I take that back, a rollback was completed after all. This issue should not be affecting users anymore For future reference, the www prefix is the officially supported prefix (it also works better). I've updated this article to use the full URL: http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/openid.ht

[google-appengine] Property is NULL?

2011-09-16 Thread mac
Somehow I found I have some data are categorized as "NULL" property by checking it in the admin console, Datastore Statistics (As attached image). And the size is 119MBytes. And I found one of my model have duplicated properties, for example. comment Text 780 Bytes (0% of the entity) comment N