[Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Tony Whitmore
We've talked in the past about secure data erasure, using things like DBAN which use wiping algorithms approved by the US DoD. The BBC news website is carrying a story today encouraging people to get physical and smash their drives. Now, whilst I can see that putting a hard disk that has come

Re: [Hampshire] Bad GPG signatures

2009-01-08 Thread Simon Huggins
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:38:41PM +, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: On Wednesday 07 Jan 2009, Simon Huggins wrote: I have the same results as Chris Smith but with gpg 1.4.6. It's very odd that different people see the good/bad results inverted. Simon's email cam up as Not enough information on

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Chris Dennis
Tony Whitmore wrote: We've talked in the past about secure data erasure, using things like DBAN which use wiping algorithms approved by the US DoD. The BBC news website is carrying a story today encouraging people to get physical and smash their drives. Now, whilst I can see that putting a

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Chris. Aubrey-Smith
2009/1/8 Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Tony Whitmore wrote: We've talked in the past about secure data erasure, using things like DBAN which use wiping algorithms approved by the US DoD. The BBC news website is carrying a story today encouraging people to get physical and smash

Re: [Hampshire] Meeting 17th Jan - Register and MAC address's

2009-01-08 Thread Victor Churchill
Hi Damian, please could you add me to the list of possible attendees at this and future meetings at Southampton. Please could you also add my MAC 00:12:F0:49:E8:E1 thanks! victor -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface:

[Hampshire] Whoops! (PAM Failure)

2009-01-08 Thread Mark Johnson
I decided to be clever today and encrypt my Eee PC's home partition. I followed [1] to copy all my files correctly, and [2] for creating and automounting an encrypted home partition. However, now when I try to log in, I get: login: PAM Failure, aborting: Critical error - immediate abort Looking

Re: [Hampshire] Meeting 17th Jan - Register and MAC address's

2009-01-08 Thread Rob Smith
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 11:34 +, Victor Churchill wrote: Hi Damian, please could you add me to the list of possible attendees at this and future meetings at Southampton. If this is going to be an ongoing issue at Soton, why not just give security a list of LUG members. That'll keep them

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 09:17:09AM +, Tony Whitmore wrote: is it really worth getting people to attack their hard drives with hammers? (Never mind the Health Safety implications!) No, but I suppose we need some sort of education so that people understand that a hard drive is probably

Re: [Hampshire] Meeting 17th Jan - Register and MAC address's

2009-01-08 Thread Victor Churchill
2009/1/8 Rob Smith r...@rob-smith.co.uk: On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 11:34 +, Victor Churchill wrote: Hi Damian, please could you add me to the list of possible attendees at this and future meetings at Southampton. If this is going to be an ongoing issue at Soton, why not just give security a

Re: [Hampshire] Meeting 17th Jan - Register and MAC address's

2009-01-08 Thread Chris. Aubrey-Smith
2009/1/8 Rob Smith r...@rob-smith.co.uk On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 11:34 +, Victor Churchill wrote: Hi Damian, please could you add me to the list of possible attendees at this and future meetings at Southampton. If this is going to be an ongoing issue at Soton, why not just give security

Re: [Hampshire] Hard Drive Destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Stephen Davies
The best way I have found is to take a gas blow torch to the platters if you are that paranoid. Or mayme I was working on a project many years ago in Germany for the Army. One of the computers HDD crashed. It was a fixed head dual RK05 replacement (2.4Mb) ans was in the front passenger seat of

Re: [Hampshire] Hard Drive Destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Paul Stimpson
Damn, must have had the CO's pron stash on it ;) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk

Re: [Hampshire] Meeting 17th Jan - Register and MAC address's

2009-01-08 Thread Damian Brasher
Rob Smith wote: On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 11:34 +, Victor Churchill wrote: Hi Damian, please could you add me to the list of possible attendees at this and future meetings at Southampton. If this is going to be an ongoing issue at Soton, why not just give security a list of LUG members.

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Jacqui Caren
Stephen Rowles wrote: Getting the correct circuit board, when it has been disposed of separately from the drive, will be hard and with a physically damaged platter you'd need to use some seriously specialist tools to even begin to start getting the data back... and then you'd discover I'd

Re: [Hampshire] Meeting 17th Jan - Register and MAC address's

2009-01-08 Thread Damian Brasher
Rob Smith wote: On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 11:34 +, Victor Churchill wrote: Hi Damian, please could you add me to the list of possible attendees at this and future meetings at Southampton. If this is going to be an ongoing issue at Soton, why not just give security a list of LUG members. I

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Rob Smith
On Thu, 2009-01-08 at 12:55 +, Jacqui Caren wrote: [snip] Given the BBC's record I expect a lobbying backhander from the disk manuf association for this article - after all the BBC has to make money these days and harrassing people who do not want to watch TV is no longer working as

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Jacqui Caren
Rob Smith wrote: A lifetime subscription to Which? for the free advertising perhaps. Perhaps :-) Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Tim
On Thursday 08 January 2009 15:01:59 Jacqui Caren wrote: Rob Smith wrote: A lifetime subscription to Which? for the free advertising perhaps. Perhaps :-) Jacqui So the hardware manufacturer lobby the media (as in TV, Radio not hardware) saying destroy all hard disks once you have used it.

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Mat Grove
Victor Churchill wrote: So maybe I'm being the opposite of ultra paranoid (infra paranoid?) - I keep my disk platters as coasters. They soon collect enough scratches from tea/coffee mugs that re reading them would be non trivial. This is also my approach. The magnets are fun to play with

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Rob Malpass
- Original Message - From: Mat Grove m...@grove.me.uk To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction Victor Churchill wrote: So maybe I'm being the opposite of ultra paranoid

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Victor Churchill
2009/1/8 Mat Grove m...@grove.me.uk: Victor Churchill wrote: So maybe I'm being the opposite of ultra paranoid (infra paranoid?) - I keep my disk platters as coasters. They soon collect enough scratches from tea/coffee mugs that re reading them would be non trivial. This is also my

Re: [Hampshire] Bad GPG signatures

2009-01-08 Thread Dr Adam Trickett
On Thursday 08 Jan 2009, Simon Huggins wrote: On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:38:41PM +, Dr Adam Trickett wrote: On Wednesday 07 Jan 2009, Simon Huggins wrote: I have the same results as Chris Smith but with gpg 1.4.6. It's very odd that different people see the good/bad results inverted.

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Chris. Aubrey-Smith
2009/1/8 Victor Churchill victorchurch...@gmail.com 2009/1/8 Mat Grove m...@grove.me.uk: Victor Churchill wrote: So maybe I'm being the opposite of ultra paranoid (infra paranoid?) - I keep my disk platters as coasters. They soon collect enough scratches from tea/coffee mugs that re

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Nick Chalk
Stephen Rowles step...@rowles.org.uk wrote: Getting the correct circuit board, when it has been disposed of separately from the drive, will be hard but not impossible. Smaller data-recovery firms are frequent advertisers for, and purchasers of, old HDs, purely for their controller PCBs.

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Nick Chalk
Rob Malpass l...@getiton.myzen.co.uk wrote: But another question is - if you want to physically destroy the drive unit - what's the safest method?The platters themselves seem to be so well sealed that presumably a well positioned drill hole or two would be the simplest approach (with

Re: [Hampshire] Hard disk destruction

2009-01-08 Thread Mat Grove
Victor Churchill wrote: So maybe I'm being the opposite of ultra paranoid (infra paranoid?) - I keep my disk platters as coasters. They soon collect enough scratches from tea/coffee mugs that re reading them would be non trivial. This is also my approach. The magnets are fun to play with