Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Andy Random
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Hugo Mills wrote: >>> Not official, but Amazon seem to think October 19th. >> >> Or even the 26th. >> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Mobile-Computer-Software/dp/B002QEBX5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1254747786&sr=8-1 > > So it's slipped a week since I last

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Bob Dunlop
On Mon, Oct 05 at 02:05, Philip Stubbs wrote: ... > > ? Not official, but Amazon seem to think October 19th. > > Or even the 26th. I'd got 21st in my head but can't remember where I got that from. The Nokia shop in Newbury (mobilephonesdirect) said "late October". Play.com are sticking with the

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread trotter
At 14:15 05/10/2009, you wrote: >On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 02:05:55PM +0100, Philip Stubbs wrote: > > 2009/10/5 Hugo Mills : > > > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:46:35AM -0400, Andy Random wrote: > > >> Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of > > >> the Palm Pre during it

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 02:05:55PM +0100, Philip Stubbs wrote: > 2009/10/5 Hugo Mills : > > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:46:35AM -0400, Andy Random wrote: > >> Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of > >> the Palm Pre during it, it's even due out this month (though ex

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/10/5 Hugo Mills : > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:46:35AM -0400, Andy Random wrote: >> Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of >> the Palm Pre during it, it's even due out this month (though exclusive to >> 02) and generated quite a buzz when launched in the US ea

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Hugo Mills
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 08:46:35AM -0400, Andy Random wrote: > Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of > the Palm Pre during it, it's even due out this month (though exclusive to > 02) and generated quite a buzz when launched in the US earlier this year. > > Also

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-10-05 Thread Andy Random
Hi, Reviving this thread briefly, I'm surprised I've not seen any mention of the Palm Pre during it, it's even due out this month (though exclusive to 02) and generated quite a buzz when launched in the US earlier this year. Also has anybody seen a confirmed release date for the Nokia N900? I

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread trotter
At 16:25 26/09/2009, you wrote: >2009/9/26 Chris Dennis : > > James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > >>... > >> Conclusion: A 3G phone should still be able to fall back to do > GSM based GPRS. > > > > Thanks for that James. > > > > Is GPRS unusably slow for things like GPS (where the relevant bit of map >

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
2009/9/26 Chris Dennis : > James Courtier-Dutton wrote: >>... >> Conclusion: A 3G phone should still be able to fall back to do GSM based >> GPRS. > > Thanks for that James. > > Is GPRS unusably slow for things like GPS (where the relevant bit of map > gets downloaded as you go)? > GPRS on GSM is

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread Chris Dennis
James Courtier-Dutton wrote: >... > Conclusion: A 3G phone should still be able to fall back to do GSM based GPRS. Thanks for that James. Is GPRS unusably slow for things like GPS (where the relevant bit of map gets downloaded as you go)? cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread Chris Dennis
Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/9/26 Chris Dennis : >> James Courtier-Dutton wrote: >>> ... >>> Conclusion: A 3G phone should still be able to fall back to do GSM based >>> GPRS. >> Thanks for that James. >> >> Is GPRS unusably slow for things like GPS (where the relevant bit of map >> gets downloaded as

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
2009/9/25 Chris Dennis : > > One question, somewhat off-topic:  how well do these high-tech phones > manage with accessing the internet over GPRS rather than 3G?  Vodafone's > 3G coverage is pretty much absent out here in the frontier-land of the > Hampshire/Dorset border: will that make something

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread Alan Pope
2009/9/25 Chris Simmonds : > Actually I very much doubt that MS Windows Mobile has any significant device > support at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone Symbian OS from Symbian Ltd. (50.3% Market Share Sales Q2 2009) RIM BlackBerry operating system (20.9% Market Share Sales Q4 2009) iP

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread Alan Pope
2009/9/26 Chris Dennis : > James Courtier-Dutton wrote: >>... >> Conclusion: A 3G phone should still be able to fall back to do GSM based >> GPRS. > > Thanks for that James. > > Is GPRS unusably slow for things like GPS (where the relevant bit of map > gets downloaded as you go)? > Depends how fa

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-26 Thread Hugo Mills
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:00:17PM +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/9/25 Chris Simmonds : > > So, I stick by my original premise: the future of mobile devices is Linux. > > Which is a good thing. It is my hope that as time goes by they will become > > more open until we get to the point that you by t

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Simmonds
Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/9/25 Chris Simmonds : >> Final comment: whether it is Android or not, the future of mobile >> devices is Linux. When you think about it, there are only a few options: >> Symbian (only for Nokia - who seem to be moving towards Linux anyhow - >> see the N900 and similar), Mac

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread John Cooper
On 25/09/09 08:31, Keith Edmunds wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:46:24 +0100, l...@discoverlinux.co.uk said: > >> The Android OS is excellent with plenty of good free apps to download >> which makes it far better than any other phone. > > That's very simplistic. For a start, the Android OS isn't

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Alan Pope
2009/9/25 Chris Simmonds : > Final comment: whether it is Android or not, the future of mobile > devices is Linux. When you think about it, there are only a few options: > Symbian (only for Nokia - who seem to be moving towards Linux anyhow - > see the N900 and similar), Mac OS X (only for Apple -

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Simmonds
Chris Dennis wrote: > Chris Simmonds wrote: >> Final comment: whether it is Android or not, the future of mobile >> devices is Linux. When you think about it, there are only a few >> options: Symbian (only for Nokia - who seem to be moving towards Linux >> anyhow - see the N900 and similar), Mac

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Sean Gibbins
Chris Dennis wrote: > Sean Gibbins wrote: > >> Chris Dennis wrote: >> >>> Thanks for that, Hugo. >>> >>> One question, somewhat off-topic: how well do these high-tech phones >>> manage with accessing the internet over GPRS rather than 3G? Vodafone's >>> 3G coverage is pretty much absent

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Dennis
Sean Gibbins wrote: > Chris Dennis wrote: >> Thanks for that, Hugo. >> >> One question, somewhat off-topic: how well do these high-tech phones >> manage with accessing the internet over GPRS rather than 3G? Vodafone's >> 3G coverage is pretty much absent out here in the frontier-land of the >>

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Sean Gibbins
Chris Dennis wrote: > > Thanks for that, Hugo. > > One question, somewhat off-topic: how well do these high-tech phones > manage with accessing the internet over GPRS rather than 3G? Vodafone's > 3G coverage is pretty much absent out here in the frontier-land of the > Hampshire/Dorset border:

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Dennis
Hugo Mills wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:00:09AM +0100, Bob Dunlop wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Sep 25 at 12:10, Chris Dennis wrote: >> ... >>> Any thoughts about how LiMo compares with Android[4]? Or any of the >>> other shiny toys that are 'coming soon'[5]? >> You missed the Nokia N900[1]

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Dennis
Chris Simmonds wrote: > Final comment: whether it is Android or not, the future of mobile > devices is Linux. When you think about it, there are only a few options: > Symbian (only for Nokia - who seem to be moving towards Linux anyhow - > see the N900 and similar), Mac OS X (only for Apple - an

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Simmonds
On 25/09/09 00:10, Chris Dennis wrote: > > Hello Folks > > > > I've just stumbled across a news item[1] which mentions LiMo[2], > > apparently "the first truly open, hardware-independent, Linux-based > > operating system for mobile devices". > > > > Vodafone have just announced a new phone t

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Hugo Mills
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:00:09AM +0100, Bob Dunlop wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Sep 25 at 12:10, Chris Dennis wrote: > ... > > Any thoughts about how LiMo compares with Android[4]? Or any of the > > other shiny toys that are 'coming soon'[5]? > > You missed the Nokia N900[1] running Maemo[2] also

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Alan Bell
Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/9/25 Stephen Rowles : > >> showing some nice "hacks" as examples of the functionality that it has. >> It runs Firefox (Fennec) as a browser and I've seen a photo on the web >> of it running a root terminal so it should be easy to get access and >> configure / update it. >

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Alan Pope
2009/9/25 Stephen Rowles : > showing some nice "hacks" as examples of the functionality that it has. > It runs Firefox (Fennec) as a browser and I've seen a photo on the web > of it running a root terminal so it should be easy to get access and > configure / update it. > http://wiki.maemo.org/Root

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Stephen Rowles
On 09/25/2009 10:00 AM, Bob Dunlop wrote: > > You missed the Nokia N900[1] running Maemo[2] also comming in October. > Several suppliers are touting it with Vodafone/O2 contracts etc and theres > a rumour that Vodafone may be supplying it direct. > > I'm very keen on the N900, if I had more sp

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Alan Pope
2009/9/25 Bob Dunlop : > You missed the Nokia N900[1] running Maemo[2] also comming in October. > Several suppliers are touting it with Vodafone/O2 contracts etc and theres > a rumour that Vodafone may be supplying it direct. > That's certainly on my wishlist, but would like to have a play with on

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Bob Dunlop
Hi, On Fri, Sep 25 at 12:10, Chris Dennis wrote: ... > Any thoughts about how LiMo compares with Android[4]? Or any of the > other shiny toys that are 'coming soon'[5]? You missed the Nokia N900[1] running Maemo[2] also comming in October. Several suppliers are touting it with Vodafone/O2 contr

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread john lewis
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:31:15 +0100 Keith Edmunds wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:46:24 +0100, l...@discoverlinux.co.uk said: > > > The Android OS is excellent with plenty of good free apps to > > download which makes it far better than any other phone. > > That's very simplistic. For a start, t

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-25 Thread Keith Edmunds
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:46:24 +0100, l...@discoverlinux.co.uk said: > The Android OS is excellent with plenty of good free apps to download > which makes it far better than any other phone. That's very simplistic. For a start, the Android OS isn't a phone. Secondly, the excellence of a phone is no

Re: [Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-24 Thread John Cooper
On 25/09/09 00:10, Chris Dennis wrote: > Hello Folks > > I've just stumbled across a news item[1] which mentions LiMo[2], > apparently "the first truly open, hardware-independent, Linux-based > operating system for mobile devices". > > Vodafone have just announced a new phone that will run LiMo

[Hampshire] New Linux-based phone

2009-09-24 Thread Chris Dennis
Hello Folks I've just stumbled across a news item[1] which mentions LiMo[2], apparently "the first truly open, hardware-independent, Linux-based operating system for mobile devices". Vodafone have just announced a new phone that will run LiMo; their page[3] manages not to mention Linux at all,