Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread CS Wagner
I wasn't clear... When you open a remote file in Kate, it copies the file to a local temp file automatically. When you save, it copies the local temp file to the remote site. That is how it is able to allow you to edit without the lag. If you wanted to, you could also open a remote file from

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source

2004-09-18 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I am delighted to here that your code will be available at some point. Your original email stating that it was written for MedSphere was interpreted by me to mean it was for Medsphere, and only Medsphere. Therefore, I thought what sounded like a great idea ought to be recreated for the open source

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source

2004-09-18 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I think for things to change, what needs to progress is the standards, not the VAs desire to stick to them. Sticking to the standards is strong glue for holding VistA in a form that will be usable around the world and across platforms, and is good for all of us. -Original Message- From: [

[Hardhats-members] Re: ERD

2004-09-18 Thread George Timson
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Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
George, I don't know much about CVS systems, but aren't they designed for what you are describing. And doesn't sourceforge have this built-in? I agree that VA code is likely parked by the inertia of that massive organization. Anytime we start talking about modifying the code, we are talking abo

RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Thanks again Tom Kevin --- Tom Ackerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bottom of the download page contains: > "See also: > There are TightVNC 1.3dev4 RPMs rebuilt for Red Hat > Linux 9 available > here" > Tom Ackerman > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I think Word-star was the program that setup the Ctrl-C etc sequences. That was THE word processor initially. I think I remember that my Borland Pascal labeled the key sequences as Word-Star sequences. Kevin --- Thurman Pedigo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We programmed the F1 sequences so a st

Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Shaun, Yes, Kate is the editor that I like as well. I have just found out that I can do what you have been doing. I didn't know about the saving locally setting though. How do I do that? Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SSH with X tunnel. All GUI stuff pops up on your > loca

[Hardhats-members] ScreenMan, Medsphere, and Open Source

2004-09-18 Thread George Timson
Dear Hardhats, I would like to respond to what I see on the Hardhats Sourceforge archive page this morning: From: "Dr Molly Cheah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan > Oh, I thought it will be able

RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread Tom Ackerman
The bottom of the download page contains: "See also: There are TightVNC 1.3dev4 RPMs rebuilt for Red Hat Linux 9 available here" Tom Ackerman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 1:25 PM

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Thurman Pedigo
We programmed the F1 sequences so a standard set of keys become short cuts, For instance in ScreenMan F6=Save/exit; F7=mark; F8=copy; F9=cut; F10=paste; F11=exit without saving; F12=save stay resident, as just a few. I find it interesting that the GUI "control key" "c", "v", and "x" are the same as

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Beza, Fil
I don't remember any application ever releasing any screens so I don't think the F1-key sequences are to blame - users never got to the chance to use them. Quite a few has List Manager already in place and the programmers weren't motivated to build screens to replace wht they had. -Original

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Thurman Pedigo
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg > 2. I think that screenman is better than > roll-and-scroll, but it is still not completely > intuitive. I have not read the manuals, but I assume > that it takes a bit of work to set up the screenman > forms. If it were easier, I suspect that it

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Thurman Pedigo
Agree, though "out of the box" must move quickly to a value product. There has been some comment that the user has to be the controlling factor in the interface. To some degree that is true, though "user" needs definition - is it the owner-user, the data entry staff, or the management - a difficult

Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread CS Wagner
SSH with X tunnel. All GUI stuff pops up on your local terminal. It is secure (because of SSH), but there is a delay. I use Kate with my KDE desktop. It fetches files and saves them in temp files for me to work on, then sends the changes back to the server when I'm done. It is seamless, so

[Hardhats-members] M question: Error Catching

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Hello all, In my scripting system, I allow the user to enter M code. I would like to be able to catch errors, and prevent a crash. I have done a little research, and think the answer involves $ESTACK, but haven't got it all figured out. How would I change the following function to catch errors,

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
George, Would you be able to give us a heads-up about how to go about this? The key factor for me would be how to get the mousemovement information from the terminal to VistA code. Do the standards for some terminals include mouse control? thanks Kevin --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
1. I would like to propse that OpenVistA not be held to VA programming standards. The 10k code limitation and requirement that ALL VARIABLES BE IN UPPERCASE are two factors that jump to mind that I would not be happy to be bound to. 2. I think that screenman is better than roll-and-scroll, but it

RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Tom, Thanks for the link. I think I am going to use the ssh x because that is already setup and ready to go (I just found out). I looked before, and the files for the VNC server are absent... either they don't come with RH-9, or I forgot to select them when installing the server. Thanks for the

RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I am absolutely blown away. Linux is an amazing OS. Everytime I turn around, there is some COOL feature that comes standard. I keep waiting for the Microsoft man to tap me on the shoulder to cough up $100. Oh wait, Linux is FREE! The system seems to work, but I did get these error messages. A

[Hardhats-members] Open Source Discussion at WV Meeting Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
Hi Terry, Thank you for suggesting it be on the agendayou read our minds it is! I volunteered to lead a session on the subject as it is one of the few things that I can publicly claim to have some expertise in. In anticipation of a good turn out and lively discussion it would be really great

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Thurman Pedigo
Actually, it's the green screen - and absence of mousy control. The have same reaction to ScreenMan, though it is NOT "roll & scroll" though it would be appropriately labeled CHUI. ...tx/t > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite > I have heard that when you get good at it, you fly th

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I personally have no doubt that in almost anything, the shortcut keys are superior for speed, but for the new user, point and click is the way to go because they will understand that "out of the box". It seems to me that true gurus with applications, even in Windows, do not want to waste the time

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to access ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Thurman Pedigo
In windows vernacular there is term "shortcut keys" that takes GUI back to the keyboard. I once had a guy working for me who always used the point and click method. He typed about 100wpm, I typed about 20wpm. In a "shoot out" that involved quite a bit of "cut & paste" I beat him by a significant ma

Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Terry Wiechmann
This thread brings up a point that I hope will be on the agenda at the WV meeting. That is, a frank and open discussion about Open Source, its benefits, drawbacks, etc. As someone who has had a product in Open Source for several years now, I've learned a few things about the pro's and cons of Open

RE: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread Tom Ackerman
Recently I switched to TightVNC & tunnel thru linux SSH to my windows desktop. It works great. www.tightvnc.com Development Version, 1.3dev5 Development versions include more features but may be unstable, so they're not intended for production use. Current Win32 development version, 1.3dev5, fe

Re: [Hardhats-members] Linux question: remote desktop sharing

2004-09-18 Thread Maury Pepper
Kevin, Check out www.realvnc.com. This is the home of VNC. According to the FAQ, the password is encrypted. Also see, how to make VNC secure using SSH . - Original Message - From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Hardhats Sourceforge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, Se

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I was just thinking, if C code can be integrated in with M code, at least in GTM and I think in Cache, too, then this might be the perfect place for it. On the other hand, maybe that would not be OK because it would not match coding standards for the VA? But then on the other hand, if ScreenMan sti

Re: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Dr Molly Cheah
Oh, I thought it will be able open source After all Medsphere uses OpenVistA. Otherwise it sounds like "what's yours is mine and what is mine is mine" :) Molly Nancy Anthracite wrote: So all you M programmers out there. How about an OPEN SOURCE version of this. Think you can do it? -Or

RE: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan

2004-09-18 Thread Nancy Anthracite
So all you M programmers out there. How about an OPEN SOURCE version of this. Think you can do it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Timson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:37 PM To: Hardhats Subject: [Hardhats-members] ScreenMan