Henning Thielemann wrote:
Since you can write Plugins for Eclipse in Haskell, things become
interesting:
http://leiffrenzel.de/eclipse/cohatoe/
Yippee! I have added an entry for it to
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Applications_and_libraries/Editors
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Steve Schafer wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:39:27 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >In C#, when you call a function you type "(" and instantly you get a popup
> >box telling you what the name of the first argument is, then when you've
> >written the first argument and hit "," you get
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 05:20:48PM -0700, brad clawsie wrote:
> > Exhibit A: Package managers exist. Exhibit B: Autoconf exists.
> > I rest my case.
>
> no. install the latest copy of ubuntu. look for the autotools. not
> there? thats right. somehow debian/unbuntu and derived distros are
> capa
> Exhibit A: Package managers exist. Exhibit B: Autoconf exists.
> I rest my case.
no. install the latest copy of ubuntu. look for the autotools. not
there? thats right. somehow debian/unbuntu and derived distros are
capable of installing tens of thousands of packages without nary a
compiler in
On Monday 18 June 2007, Jon Harrop wrote:
> On Monday 18 June 2007 05:39:21 Derek Elkins wrote:
> > Not directed at Michael Richter specifically:
> >
> > I don't normally say this stuff, but this discussion has drifted onto
> > topics that have nothing to do with Haskell. I personally would like
>
Creighton Hogg wrote:
Well, since we're on the subject and it's only the Cafe list, what is
it that you find messy about Linux that you would want to be solved by
some hypothetical Haskell OS?
This is drifting off-topic again, but here goes...
There are lots of things to like about Linux. It
On Monday 18 June 2007 17:36:25 Donn Cave wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Jon Harrop wrote:
> > I don't normally drag threads back on topic, but functional reactive GUIs
> > seem to be pioneered by Haskell programmers. Can anyone explain what this
> > idea is all about?
>
> Since I haven't seen any r
On 6/18/07, Andrew Coppin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mark T.B. Carroll wrote:
> Are KWrite and Kate something to do with KDE or something? One of the
> first things I do with a new Linux install is to dump all the KDE and
> Gnome stuff on the basis that it's an enormous amount of bloatware for
>
Mark T.B. Carroll wrote:
Are KWrite and Kate something to do with KDE or something? One of the
first things I do with a new Linux install is to dump all the KDE and
Gnome stuff on the basis that it's an enormous amount of bloatware for
little gain. Others may think differently! (-:
Yeah, tha
Mark T.B. Carroll wrote:
Andrew Coppin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
(snip)
KWrite and/or Kate are almost always installed when you play with
somebody's Linux box. Emacs virtually never is.
(snip)
H. Exactly the opposite seems to be true on mine. (-:
Really? Mmm... perhaps it's
David House wrote:
Andrew Coppin writes:
> The only ones I managed to actually edit files with are Nano and Pico.
> But given the choice, I'd *much* rather use KWrite. (Or Kate if I really
> have to.)
Despite it exhibing virtually none of your own aforementioned IDE features?
KWrite a
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Jon Harrop wrote:
> I don't normally drag threads back on topic, but functional reactive GUIs seem
> to be pioneered by Haskell programmers. Can anyone explain what this idea is
> all about?
Since I haven't seen any replies so far, could you give us a hint?
I've seen some st
peterv wrote:
I just tried the Haskell Mode using xemacs, adjust my init.el file, loaded
my haskell file, and got great syntax highlighting! So far so good.
But people, emacs is so weird for a Windows user...
Well you're certainly quite right to observe that emacs keys are rather
differ
Hallo,
On 6/18/07, Michael T. Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Screenshots are worthless if they don't match my screen, aren't they? I guess
I can open up exactly the same file that's in your screenshot and then use your
screenshot as a background to my screen so I have the illusion of de
with emacs again, maybe I see the light this time ;)
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Simon Peyton-Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:46
To: Peter Verswyvelen; haskell-cafe@haskell.org
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] IDE?
| L-System using HOpenGL), from
Thanks for the nice info. I'm going to give it another try then...
When I said I don't want to learn Emacs, I meant not learning its LISP
architecture with the goal of creating my own custom Emacs...
OT: The reasons I'm looking at Haskell are:
- the object oriented approach failed for me when w
| L-System using HOpenGL), from what I've read Haskell is indeed much better
than typical OO
| languages... So it *deserves* an easy entry level IDE that will get many many
more people started with
| it.
I think you are right about that. Still, I hope this problem may in time fix
itself: the
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 12:23:52PM +0800, Michael T. Richter wrote:
> I'm using Emacs. It gives me a text window, like any other editor
> window (except where it's different) when I go to the horribly kludgy,
> not-at-all-integrated-with-the-desktop-theme file menu. In fact it's
> even worse. I
On Monday 18 June 2007 05:39:21 Derek Elkins wrote:
> Not directed at Michael Richter specifically:
>
> I don't normally say this stuff, but this discussion has drifted onto
> topics that have nothing to do with Haskell. I personally would like
> the parts unrelated to Haskell to be carried on off
Not directed at Michael Richter specifically:
I don't normally say this stuff, but this discussion has drifted onto
topics that have nothing to do with Haskell. I personally would like
the parts unrelated to Haskell to be carried on off the list.
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 12:26 +0800, Michael T. Ric
On Sun, 2007-17-06 at 20:27 -0300, Alex Queiroz wrote:
> Albeit buttons are mostly a waste of time because the keyboard is
> so much more powerful,
For a very small percentage of users, yes. For the vast majority, not
even close.
> nice and beautiful fonts are really a must.
> Fortunate
On Mon, 2007-18-06 at 00:55 +0200, Chaddaï Fouché wrote:
> > Got a file chooser that's actually a GUI that has the look and feel of
> > every other GUI file
> > chooser in existence?
> Strange... Here I have the same file chooser as every other
> application in the WM (personally I use C-x C-
Michael T. Richter wrote:
On Sun, 2007-17-06 at 22:37 +0100, David House wrote:
> Well, part 1 would be being *graphical*. I really have no time for ugly
> cryptic ASCII art "graphical" UIs... I just like being able to *see*
> what's happening. Is that too much to ask?
Did you read the res
2007/6/18, Michael T. Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Got a file chooser that's actually a GUI that has the look and feel of every
other GUI file
chooser in existence?
Strange... Here I have the same file chooser as every other
application in the WM (personally I use C-x C-f most of the time sin
On Sun, 2007-17-06 at 22:37 +0100, David House wrote:
> > Well, part 1 would be being *graphical*. I really have no time for ugly
> > cryptic ASCII art "graphical" UIs... I just like being able to *see*
> > what's happening. Is that too much to ask?
>
> Did you read the rest of my email? For
peterv writes:
> But people, emacs is so weird for a Windows user...
Yes, there's no denying this.
> For example, ALL windows (and motif?) programs use CTRL-Z for undo. But not
> emacs... So after some googling, I found and installed CUA, to get more
> Windows compliant keys. CTRL-Z does
Andrew Coppin writes:
> The only ones I managed to actually edit files with are Nano and Pico.
> But given the choice, I'd *much* rather use KWrite. (Or Kate if I really
> have to.)
Despite it exhibing virtually none of your own aforementioned IDE features?
Emacs may be hard to get used to, b
Andrew Coppin writes:
> Well, part 1 would be being *graphical*. I really have no time for ugly
> cryptic ASCII art "graphical" UIs... I just like being able to *see*
> what's happening. Is that too much to ask?
Did you read the rest of my email? For every feature you cited I gave links and
s
Bulat Ziganshin wrote:
it's well-known trap. haskell is an order of magnitude better than
widespread OOP languages. why it's not used by everyone? just due to
shortage on libs, training and - yes - IDEs. "programming" in Delphi
in many cases need just clicking here and there
I'll second the
David House wrote:
Andrew Coppin writes:
> It's a text-mode editor.
With graphical support.
Really? When did that happen?
(And if it's now graphical, can you really still call it "Emacs"? I
mean, if you write a GUI application that does what sed does, would it
still be "sed"?)
> q
Marc Weber wrote:
> Personally, I really hate text-mode editors. (I won't even go into how
> many times I've had to reboot Linux just to get *out* of Vi!)
One bad experience and you have never given anyone/what a chance to proof you
wrong ;)
I tried a whole heap of different text e
Hi
And that's why IMHO for Windows users, one needs a friendly IDE to get
started with Haskell in a modern way. And the Windows version should comply
to the Windows styleguides.
I use TextPad and WinHugs, you might find Visual Studio meets your
needs better. Both those options are properly Win
On 6/17/07, Hans van Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 02:00 +0100, Donnchadh Ó Donnabháin wrote:
What operating system do you use? I've tried it several times on Fedora
Core 6 but it doesn't work, either with the FC Eclipse or the official
Eclipse version. The Haskell plug-
elen
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:35 PM
To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] IDE?
That's just my point. Although I have no practical experience with Haskell
(besides writing a simple L-System using HOpenGL), from what I've read
Haskell is indeed much better
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 02:00 +0100, Donnchadh Ó Donnabháin wrote:
>Hi Peter,
>
> I'm also just starting to learn Haskell and tried the eclipsefp
> eclipse plugin [1] (since my day job is java development).
Hello Donnchadh,
What operating system do you use? I've tried it several times on Fed
cs... for
someone how knows Emacs that is.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Lane
Hinson
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:15 AM
To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] IDE?
While we're on the topic of IDE fea
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:16:11 +0200
Marc Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is what shim tries to do.
> I've added a link to the wiki IDE page.
Is some (more) support for vim in shim planned?
Sincerely,
Gour
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On Sat, 2007-16-06 at 00:24 +0200, Marc Weber wrote:
> > - syntax highlighting
> Many editors do support this. (JEdit, vim, emacs, kedit,..)
With the caveat that syntax highlighting is broken out of the box in
vim. It works fine for plain .hs files but breaks -- and badly -- for
latex-literate
Hi Peter,
I'm also just starting to learn Haskell and tried the eclipsefp
eclipse plugin [1] (since my day job is java development). It seems a
little basic at the moment, but judging from this blog [2] it seems to
have a lot of potential. In fact part of the project seems to be to
allow the de
I wish to have an editor that ran GHC[I] every few seconds or so, and
underlined sites of syntax errors in red. This would save me a lot of
back-and-forth. If an editor did this, I would switch (from kate) in a
heartbeat.
in vim, that's called quickfix mode, and vim is certainly not the only
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 06:14:38PM -0400, Christopher Lane Hinson wrote:
>
> While we're on the topic of IDE features.
>
> I wish to have an editor that ran GHC[I] every few seconds or so, and
> underlined sites of syntax errors in red. This would save me a lot of
> back-and-forth. If an edit
While we're on the topic of IDE features.
I wish to have an editor that ran GHC[I] every few seconds or so, and
underlined sites of syntax errors in red. This would save me a lot of
back-and-forth. If an editor did this, I would switch (from kate) in a
heartbeat.
This has been mentioned b
Hello Peter,
Sunday, June 17, 2007, 12:34:43 AM, you wrote:
> nowadays have with Visual Studio 2005 and Resharper for doing
> compilation, code-documentation-tips, code-completion, refactoring,
> navigation, debugging, boiler plate code generation, is amazing.
with emacs/vim you will get compila
On Saturday 16 June 2007 21:34:43 Peter Verswyvelen wrote:
> That's just my point. Although I have no practical experience with Haskell
> (besides writing a simple L-System using HOpenGL), from what I've read
> Haskell is indeed much better than typical OO languages... So it *deserves*
> an easy en
k in the eighties.
Thanks for all the help folks!
>- Oorspronkelijk bericht -
>Van: Bulat Ziganshin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Verzonden: zaterdag, juni 16, 2007 08:50 PM
>Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: haskell-cafe@haskell.org
>Onderwerp: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] IDE?
>
>Hello
Hello bf3,
Saturday, June 16, 2007, 3:23:40 PM, you wrote:
> The point I wanted to make is, that I can't find an
> easy-to-install-ready-to-use-and-rock-n-roll IDE for Windows that comes with
> all or most of those features. I mean something like Borland TurboPascal
it's well-known trap. haskell
> both emacs and vim can pass buffer segments and editing
> session information to external (haskell) code, working as
> text or file transformers, and both emacs and vim can be
> controlled by such external code.
This is what shim tries to do.
I've added a link to the wiki IDE page.
Marc Weber
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On Jun 16, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Andrew Coppin wrote:
Give it a go. Start out with the Emacs tutorial [1] so that you
have your feet
on solid ground, then jump to the Emacs tour [2] to whet your
appetite to the
breadths of features that Emacs provides.
It's a text-mode editor. quod erat demons
Andrew Coppin writes:
> > > Personally, I really hate text-mode editors. (I won't even go into how
> > > many times I've had to reboot Linux just to get *out* of Vi!)
> >
> > 'Z Z' is the command to quit vi, right?
> >
>
> Sometimes. Sometimes it just types "zz" in the document. It dep
> > Personally, I really hate text-mode editors. (I won't even go into how
> > many times I've had to reboot Linux just to get *out* of Vi!)
One bad experience and you have never given anyone/what a chance to proof you
wrong ;)
Perhaps take 10 seconds, fire up vim again and read the splash scre
On Sat, 2007-06-16 at 17:10 +0100, Andrew Coppin wrote:
> It's a text-mode editor. quod erat demonstrandum.
>
> Since it only operates in text-mode, it cannot possibly provide things
> like clickable fold points, or a side-bar containing a bunch of icons
> representing the objects in the current
David House wrote:
Andrew Coppin writes:
> > Why not contribute an afternoon's hacking?
>
> 1. I'm not good enough.
How do you intend to remedy that, apart from by writing Haskell code? Start
small, fix small typos or bugs, and build it up from there. Seriously, just give
it a go, I doubt a
However, one of the reasons that Emacs is so great is the absolute wealth of
libraries available for it. It's been aroud a long time and people like it a lot
so there's pretty much an Emacs Lisp library to integrate _any_ tool, to help
editing _any_ kind of source/configuration file etc. It would
Andrew Coppin writes:
> > Why not contribute an afternoon's hacking?
> >
>
> 1. I'm not good enough.
How do you intend to remedy that, apart from by writing Haskell code? Start
small, fix small typos or bugs, and build it up from there. Seriously, just give
it a go, I doubt any of your pat
David House wrote:
> Andrew Coppin writes:
> > Dude... somebody should write the world's next killer editor in Haskell,
> > just to show how awsome Haskell is!
>
> Yi [1] does exist, with roughly this aim.
Yes, I've read about Yi once or twice. And yet, I still find myself
puzzled as to what it
Andrew Coppin writes:
> Dude... somebody should write the world's next killer editor in Haskell,
> just to show how awsome Haskell is!
Yi [1] does exist, with roughly this aim. Why not contribute an afternoon's
hacking?
[1]: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Yi
However, one of the reasons that E
David House wrote:
Switching to Emacs will never be an easy task (I think the quote is "A learning
curve you can use as a plumb line"), but once you have, I very much doubt you'll
ever want to go back to anything else. :) The Emacs tour [1] (newer beta version
also available [2]) give a quick fla
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The point I wanted to make is, that I can't find an
> easy-to-install-ready-to-use-and-rock-n-roll IDE for Windows that comes with
> all or most of those features. I mean something like Borland TurboPascal
> from the 80's, Visual Studio 2005, IntelliJ IDEA or Eclipse
Sorry I should have mentioned that I actually did all those searches you
provided, and read the wiki.
ok, then it is a different story, needing different answers:-) in particular,
you have found tools doing all the things you asked for, but they either
had issues (please report them, to the to
e-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Claus Reinke
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:18 AM
To: haskell-cafe@haskell.org
Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] IDE?
> I've searched the internet for an Haskell IDE that supports the following:
my first reaction was: he can'
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org
Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] IDE?
Yes this is kind of sad. FWIW, here's how I currently approximate
these features using Emacs + Haskell mode:
On 15 jun 2007, at 23.38, <[EMAIL PROTECTED
> comprehensive list of editor support on haskell.org. Either it's to late
> or it is gone.
No, it's still there:
http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Applications_and_libraries -> Program
developement -> Editor support
Perhaps a link to this should be made on the front page?
This is a topic every newco
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> - syntax highlighting
> - quick navigation (goto symbol, goto instance, find usages, etc)
> - code completion
Emacs with haskell-mode can do this.
> - cross module refactoring
Refactoring doesn't feature as heavily in Haskell workflow as, say, Java,
just because
my first reaction was: he can't be serious, not that again!-) however, i
tried to find the info by the "obvious" means, and found that to be a rather
sobering experience.
it is also no longer obvious that "Communities and active projects" is
not just a topic for the four subheadings, but in itse
I've searched the internet for an Haskell IDE that supports the following:
my first reaction was: he can't be serious, not that again!-) however, i
tried to find the info by the "obvious" means, and found that to be a rather
sobering experience.
a simple google search does give rather a few r
Yes this is kind of sad. FWIW, here's how I currently approximate
these features using Emacs + Haskell mode:
On 15 jun 2007, at 23.38, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've searched the internet for an Haskell IDE that supports the
following:
- syntax highlighting
haskell mode
- cross modul
rent approaches (search for them in the
mailinglist archive.. ) eg
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=haskell-cafe+ide&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> This does not seem to exist? If this is correct, this is a real shame,
You are invited to write one ;)
On 15/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've searched the internet for an Haskell IDE that supports the following:
- syntax highlighting
- cross module refactoring
- quick navigation (goto symbol, goto instance, find usages, etc)
- code completion
- "debugging" (not imperative
I've searched the internet for an Haskell IDE that supports the following:
- syntax highlighting
- cross module refactoring
- quick navigation (goto symbol, goto instance, find usages, etc)
- code completion
- "debugging" (not imperative debugging, so no breakpoints, but just
plugging in a visual
> Have you seen the GuiHaskell project, and were you aware that there is
> a summer of code project on it? This will provide some way of
> interfacing to all compilers, and various buttons, but none of the
> editing features.
Yes, I was aware of it. My plan was to experiment with the editor, the G
> On 23/04/07, David Waern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell,
>> EclipseFP),
>> > anything else?
>>
>> I'm working in Haste2[1]. But it is unreleased :P
>>
>> [1] http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~davve/haste2-new.png
>
> That's really clean-looki
Hi David,
Yes, it's based on the Scintilla[1] editor and gtk2hs. I've only been
working on it for a couple of weeks, and that includes creating the
Scintilla binding for gtk2hs, so it doesn't have that many feature yet.
There's no homepage either.
[1] http://www.scintilla.org/
Have you seen t
> This looks nice! Is there a project page for Haste2? How far along is
> it? Is it based on gtk2hs?
Yes, it's based on the Scintilla[1] editor and gtk2hs. I've only been
working on it for a couple of weeks, and that includes creating the
Scintilla binding for gtk2hs, so it doesn't have that many
On 23/04/07, David Waern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
> anything else?
I'm working in Haste2[1]. But it is unreleased :P
[1] http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~davve/haste2-new.png
That's really clean-looking and undistracting.
This looks nice! Is there a project page for Haste2? How far along is
it? Is it based on gtk2hs?
On 4/23/07, David Waern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
> anything else?
I'm working in Haste2[1]. But it is unreleased :P
[1] h
> What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
> anything else?
I'm working in Haste2[1]. But it is unreleased :P
[1] http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~davve/haste2-new.png
/David
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On 22/04/07, Philipp Volgger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
anything else?
There is pretty decent Emacs support. haskell-mode [1] provides the
basis of this support. There are Emacs Lisp libraries for Haskell
indentation, Haske
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:13:45 +0100
"Claus Reinke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the page is many years old, but the logs indicate that many folks
> stumble across it via google, without ever telling me, and i've
> noticed that the haskell.org wiki now points to it, so i've just
> added my current
What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
anything else?
in addition to the vim plugins already mentioned, i've got a few old ones at
http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/people/staff/cr3/toolbox/haskell/Vim/
the page is many years old, but the logs indicate that many fo
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:34:27PM +0200, Philipp Volgger wrote:
What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
anything else?
In addition, there are plugins for XCode, IntelliJ IDEA and KDevelop
(don't have a specific link for the last one).
http://www.hoovy.org/
On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 07:34:27PM +0200, Philipp Volgger wrote:
> What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
> anything else?
Hi Philipp.
I've written some completion scripts for vim. Don't know wether you can
call it an ide. Also tagging source is supported by one c
What IDE support is available for Haskell (Visuall Haskell, EclipseFP),
anything else?
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