On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:51:11PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:13:05AM +0200, Abigail wrote:
>
> > * Let's make where to count from a switch -- globally
> > * Perl (till it got removed from the language)
>
> Nope. From the manpage:
&
IC, ...
> * Use the same function for two totally different things.
> * eval BLOCK; eval STRING
> * select FILEHANDLE; select BITS, BITS, BITS, TIMEOUT
* do STRING; do BLOCK; do BLOCK (while|until) CONDITION
> * We'll add threads later.
> * Perl
> * We'll add Unicode later.
> * Perl (FULL RECOVERY!)
* We'll add objects later.
* Perl
Abigail
There are good reasons to prefer a zero base with an open upper bound.
>
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html
>
It's worse if languages don't do it consistently:
for (X .. Y) {
...
}
not equivalent with
for ($_ = X; $_ < Y; $_ ++) {
...
}
Abigail
had to move my
> hand to get to my mouse over those same decades.
I love the numeric keypads. Not for its numbers, but for the ability to
map the number to something else. In particular, using fvmw2, I use 9
virtual desktops, mapped to each of the numbers. Easy, one keystroke
switching
Abigail
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 02:13:00PM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote:
> On 2010-12-21, at 14:00, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote:
> > * Gerry Lawrence [2010-12-21 20:05]:
> >> Focus follows mouse - which I can get on any unix, easily, and
> >> any microsoft, with a little more effort, is impossible on the
> >
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:42:08AM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Abigail wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:40:08AM -0800, Joshua Juran wrote:
>>> On Dec 21, 2010, at 8:18 AM, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I hav
new
users", you're doing it wrong - it means they stop using your product
shortly after becoming experienced.
I've used X for over 20 years, far longer than the time I was an X-newbie.
I love my middle click.
Abigail
distro was asking (in a dialog hidden beneath other windows)
for confirmation to actually set the clock. (I suspect $COWORKER running
his system clock in localtime, not utc)
Abigail
ing to that directory,
> and the consequences of writing a file to that directory, I would expect it
> to refuse to write to relative paths.
Is that relative to the database directory, or relative the current
working directory of the server, which just happens to be the database
directory by default?
I remember from a previous live as a Sybase DBA that I let the servers
switch cwd to /tmp to avoid this kind of problems.
Abigail
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:59:29PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 04:23:05PM +0200, Abigail wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 01:42:09PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 05:32:13PM -0500, Peter da Silva wrote:
> > >
, it's written as 'Van De Foo', and
sorted under 'V'. In Belgium, they'll be named "Vandefoo", and sorted
under 'V'.
I can live with a country wide standard, but having users determine
how they are sorted would be absolutely horrible.
Abigail
id interpolation on it. We
ended up asking a local. Of course, with house numbers scattered around
randomly, they had no idea. Only after telling the name of the owners of
the place got us where we wanted.
Abigail
s should know better...
I often get the impression such maps know the house numbers at the ends, and
at key intersections, and the other numbers are found by interpolation.
Abigail
bers with leading zeros? Intriguing, I've never seen that.
Abigail
wether I hit 'r' (reply), or
'g' (group-reply), no mail is send to myself. The former composes
a mail to Nicholas directly, the latter a mail to all the addresses
listed in the 'Mail-Followup-To' header.
Perhaps my mutt is old enough to not cause a problem.
Abigail
than extensions?
Thinks I often do:
$ grep 'foo bar' *.[ch]
$ display *.jpg
$ rm *.p[ml]
Oh, sure, it *could* all be done based on actual content, but while you're
looking at the first file, I'm already done processing the directory.
Now, go write a useful, non-trivial, Makefile that doesn't use extensions.
Abigail
SQL, the Perl6 of databases.
Abigail
nt user id easily). Else, it'll
look for a file named $F for your group. Otherwise, it would take the
default group (0).
[0] About as far away from any mainstream Pascal as C is.
[1] For several years, the compiler spit out binaries that would run
on both VMS and SCO.
[2] Except it wasn't named 'groups'. But organizations.
Abigail
r if the URL bar had the focus. In such a case,
^W would erase the word before the cursor. Just like 'readline'.
This is no longer the case. ^W always kills a window.
Even several years later, I still have the urge to use ^W to clear the
URL bar - often to see firefox disappear (if there's just one window).
Abigail
le to set PS1 to whatever you
> want, including nothing. Same goes for default aliases, including rm -i.
Both you and Smylers got it wrong. PS1 sets the prompt in bash. It has
nothing to do with the hate of Scott, which is about window titles.
Abigail
and query can always be avoided by expanding the `*' in
> > ZLE (with tab).
>
> Surely instead one would just get used to always pressing Tab before
> Enter? I fail to see how training one's fingers into a different habit
> is any safer.
Indeed. The only answer to that is to have the program ask questions
that require different answers all the time.
Abigail
t;
> So it looks like you can now add mutiple recipients to the "Reply-To"
> field, which should satisfy all concerns.
Oh, but RFC 822 doesn't prevent you from adding multiple recipients
in the Reply-To header.
Reply-To: Foo: abig...@abigail.be, s...@conman.org, h...@hates-software.com;
is allowed according to the grammar of RFC 822.
Abigail
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:14:40PM +0200, Juerd Waalboer wrote:
> Abigail skribis 2008-10-10 22:07 (+0200):
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 09:23:26PM +0200, Juerd Waalboer wrote:
> > > Joshua Juran skribis 2008-10-10 11:32 (-0700):
> > > > Constructions like [A-Za-z] are
course, which tries to be smart and
> has special cased simple letter ranges.
I'm sure there's at least one hacker who hates perl for exactly that reason.
Abigail
at
doesn't ignore trailing whitespace in configuration files.
Abigail
ither quit() nor exit()
will stop interactive Python - just ^D.
> Ctrl-C also refuses to quit python:
>
> $ python
> Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Jan 10 2008, 18:00:49)
> [GCC 4.2.1 (SUSE Linux)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> ^C
> KeyboardInterrupt
Right. You're sending SIGINT - not SIGKILL, SIGTERM, nor SIGQUIT.
It's not unreasonable to not terminate the program on receiving SIGINT.
Abigail
ready do.
Yeah, and a dozen years ago, major vendors have stated their intent to
support HTML 2 in their browsers.
I'm still waiting for a browser from a major vendor that does so.
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ocols
like HTTP, a typical client won't notice, but if you're halfway runing
your two hour SQL query, you will notice this).
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On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 06:30:01PM +0100, Ann Barcomb wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Abigail wrote:
>
> >My biggest hate regarding 'vi' are those wannabee-Un^WLinux distros
> >that launch some editor when you type 'vi' on the command line, but
> >which
ng to see eye to eye on this one. :-)
My biggest hate regarding 'vi' are those wannabee-Un^WLinux distros
that launch some editor when you type 'vi' on the command line, but
which isn't vi at all.
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No progress bar when it's writing to a pipe, and it uses STDERR to inform
you which file it has written to; --quiet only silences STDOUT.
Of course, if something does go wrong, you won't see it, as all errors
go to /dev/null.
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quot;mysql hate". And the
suggestion whether I meant "mysql date".
Note that according to Google, the Netherlands is even more hateful
than mysql, and some other things top even that. Spoons are slightly
less hateful than mysql.
hate sauerkraut 147,000 sauerkraut hate
m stdin:
$ pdftotext
... usage message ...
$ pdftotext -
Error: Couldn't open file '-'
$
It special cases '-' if it's the name of the output file, but it doesn't
do anything special with '-' as the input file.
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nsider "1.10.0" and "1.10" to be identical, the latter
being a shorthand for the former.
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On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 10:01:37AM +, Smylers wrote:
> Michael G Schwern writes:
>
> > Although thinking about it, since version numbers only make sense
> > within the same project, and since one shouldn't switch back and forth
> > between decimals and versions, and since one is already inclin
icated by
> >a quantity of bicycles.
>
> You do that and you're going to get people using the shed color and
> bicycle types to overload information. Then you'll have some people
> using bents to indicate "stable" and others to indicate "experimental"
tuck
> at 0.99 for a long time... :-)
*HATE*
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efault, it's found in the
version package - so it's only unambiguously if you know that the qv()
you see is an alias for version::qv.
$ perl -Mversion -wE 'say qv (83.109.121.108.101.114.115)'
v83.109.121.108.101.114.115
$ perl -Mversion -wE 'say qv (v83.109.121.108
on number as a floating point number needs
> re-education through a progressive program of negative reinforcement.
Right.
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NSERT INTO test VALUES (-00-00);
It doesn't make a difference in this case, but -00-00 isn't what
you think it is. At least, it's not a date in -MM-DD format. It's
just equal to 0 - 0 - 0 == 0.
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ore $20 and $5 notes that you will $10. Odd.
Isn't the bulk of US cash transactions handled by the $20 note, the $1 note
and the quarter?
Ob. hate: Machines validating parking tickets that don't accept EUR 0.05
coins as payment, but happily swallowing them, not indicating it's
not accepting them as payment, and not giving them back.
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the 10s spot, although I can understand
> why the Dutch machines make you start at the 1s. The American design,
> however, is just plain retarded.
Many Dutch machines also carry EUR 5 notes, so I presume getting an amount
of (10k + 5) EUR for some k is possible. I'll try next time I get money.
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tivate the gadget,
and then type in the 8 digit code the website gives me. The gadget then
calculates an 8 digit number, which I use as a password. The password
is valid for a few minutes. I've to repeat the process if I'm about to
transfer money. I use my account number and card number as
om within a
Perl program, I will *always* shell out and use find instead of
using File::Find.
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APIs in incompatible ways, several
times a year. Google does. While end-of-living their older API versions
at most a couple of months after their new API gets live.
Google doesn't get it. At all.
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to just 'Yossi'.
My work address is 'abig...@company-with-uniform-mail-addresses.com'.
But then, I wouldn't post to hates-software from a work address.
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o longer have). A few times,
I was asked to bring in my thesis work - and then I dutifully brought
copies of the published articles that resulted from my thesis. Not that
those have been very useful, most people would have been lost even before
finishing the abstract.
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hate software. You only want to write good code when you work with
> other people on something, and you want the software not to exceed a
> hatefulness threshold so that people dealing with it are not too miserable.
* You have more interests than coding, and spend your time away from the
office on the other things you like.
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hat people do at home. In fact,
I don't really care about hiring people that think they qualify for a
Unix sysadmin job because they run a Linux box at home.
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t;
> >..hence the appeal of a pobox.com account, which just forwards on to
> >whatever account you feel
>
> Yah, and I've had taronga.com since the early '90s.
>
> But I tend to use throwaway gmail addresses for registration these days.
http://www.mailinator.com/
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:26:05AM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
>
> If you want to have a website with some kind of discussion board, you need
> some kind of authentication.
You mean, just like that big old discussion system called Usenet?
Oh, wait...
Abigail
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I then instruct people how to start SMC.
- We go for coffee.
- By the time we get back, SMC is finally ready.
- I show how utterly slow the GUI is.
- I conclude the lesson with: "Now you know why real sysadmins use
the command line".
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than it is to send out voice messages.
Of course, SMS gateways, SMS providers and SMS documentation are hateful.
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to not notice (no doubt some long sequence
of keystrokes noone ever uses anyway will behave different).
But not so on Linux. I have yet to spot any Linux developer (or distro
vendor) that actually cares about consistency. Or backwards compatability.
Abigail
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and doesn't understand multiple-undo.
What I hate about every Linux distro I've used is that when I type
'vi file', I get an editor that isn't vi. It's usually vim. I guess
that's a great editor for some, and I don't mind it being there.
But don't call it vi. It isn't.
Real Unixes have vi. Linux doesn't. So don't call something else vi.
Abigail
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ou into upgrading to it, promising the upgrade will be
"seamless". Don't believe that lie. Most of the times, such an upgrade
will mean it forces you throught the manual configuration process again.
I've stopped upgrading my CPAN.pm for a long time for no other reason that
this.
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2007 at 03:20:42PM +0100, Andrew Black - lists wrote:
> Abigail wrote:
>
> >Oh, it's not just merkins think the entire world is like them.
> >
> >Most Europeans also think every has both a first and a last name.
>
> That is a fair point. I had
a last name.
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R* tells me it has blocked a popup, unless there is
a popup. And it *ALWAYS* tells me it has blocked a popup if there is
a popup.
My conclusion from that is that Firefox always fails to block a popup,
while knowing there is one.
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hat when
> you've been irritated by Ctrl+W not closing the window with the last tab
> in it all you have to do is hold down Shift and try again.
I have F6 for closing the current window, and shift-F6 to really kill it.
But that's my window manager. The advantage is that it works with every
application. ;-)
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is one of the reasons (and each reason
is enough by itself) I prefer Mozilla over Firefox.
On the boxes I do use Firefox, I have it disappear under me so many times
after using Ctrl-W just trying to erase the current URL.
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1 files
Perhaps you suffer from the fact that your shell is expanding the *?
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st where anyone can send in patches, propose
change, etc. A handful of people have commit bits, and one person acts
as chief executer officer. A function that rotates.
I'd say that Perl is an open system. One is free to write a another
implementation - and you can freely use the current source co
ge for newbies, and only newbies will use it.
(From the original: design a system fools can use, and only fools will use it).
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fferent
result from '4 + 3 * 5'.
But I don't see Perl6 rushing out and making all operators having
the same precedence (which would make '3 + 4 * 5' yield the same
result as '4 + 3 * 5').
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 05:15:15PM +, Smylers wrote:
> Abigail writes:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 05:18:45PM +0100, Juerd wrote:
> >
> > > But the following set of wishes clashes heavily:
> > >
> > > - () can be used for grouping (to override
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 05:52:36PM +0100, Juerd wrote:
> Abigail skribis 2006-12-22 17:34 (+0100):
> > > The parens for sqrt(9) are a post-circum-fix operator in Perl6.
> > A *what*?
>
> postcircumfix, one of the two binary operators.
>
> unary prefix
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 05:33:12PM +0100, Juerd wrote:
> Abigail skribis 2006-12-22 16:43 (+0100):
> > > >print sqrt(9) + 7; # Prints 10.
> > > >print sqrt (9) + 7; # Prints 4.
> > The space influences precedence.
>
> That's a result, not
nyware.
>
> You are right that Perl 6 is less friendly (you could say hostile) for
> people with different whitespace styles than Perl 5 was.
Yep. Were one of the features of Perl1 to Perl5 was the fact that people
coming from different schools would feel welcome, Perl6 takes a dramatic
steps and is outright hostile towards those not coding according to the
standards set by the cabal.
HATE. HATE. HATE.
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 09:16:08AM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Abigail wrote:
> >In Perl6:
> >
> >print sqrt(9) + 7; # Prints 10.
> >print sqrt (9) + 7; # Prints 4.
>
> Holy Mary's Abscessed Teeth.
>
> Is t
rogram in this. Not good.
>
> But. But. Doesn't Perl 6 have Perl 5 compatibility mode?
Yes, but that's never promised to be any more than the ability to run perl5
programs.
But I don't need perl6 to run perl5 programs. I've been able to run perl5
programs since, oh, 1994 or so.
Abigail
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On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 03:56:22PM +0200, Yossi Kreinin wrote:
> Abigail wrote:
> >
> >>Well, I guess BitKeeper is right - whitespace matters in Makefiles,
> >>Python scripts and ASCII art.
> >
> >
> >And don't forget perl6. (HATE! HATE! HA
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 03:27:51PM +0200, Yossi Kreinin wrote:
>
> Well, I guess BitKeeper is right - whitespace matters in Makefiles, Python
> scripts and ASCII art.
And don't forget perl6. (HATE! HATE! HATE! perl6 is one language I won't
code in - for exactly this
tax is hateful,
so they made it that primitives that take filehandles are argument can
also take a reference to a filehandle as argument, and all will work well.
open my $filehandle, "<", "/etc/passwd" or die;
while (<$filehandle>) {print}
close $filehandle;
works perfectly fine.
And if you don't like <>, use 'readline'.
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me of someone complaining that Perl
> > sucks because Perl code is difficult to read by C programmers. Perl is
> > hateful, but not for these reasons. You are just trying to write C here.
>
> Um ...
>
> Unix is written in C. Perl came to life in the Unix universe. Plenty of
> Unix utilities like cat, sed, od, grep and less (and more) can be used on
> files or in pipes. This idiom is pretty strong in the Unix world. Perl
> seems to go out of its way to prevent this (or is that me as a C programmer
> speaking?)
No.
You just don't seem to know Perl.
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ne without having a special notation for a certain
> class of variables.
You know, in Perl, the equivalent of the C snippet would just be:
do_some_process;
while in do_some_process, you'd use the '<>' to read input. Perl has the
snippet build in - if there are no arguments, '<>' will read from the
file(s) given as arguments.
Don't blame Perl for not having to translate your C code.
Abigail
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f syntax somewhere else in the
> language.
Why stop at 'if' and 'unless'? Given a 'while', why bother having a 'for'?
Heck, given 'goto' and 'if', why have any looping construct?
Or is having a 'for' while having a 'whi
It's not so difficult for people with normal vision, but it extremely
limits the usability for blind people. I've blind friends who can only
use a few number of cash machines (that is, a few cash machines, not
cash machine from a few banks), because they have received training for
On Mon, Dec 18, 2006 at 12:47:58PM +0100, demerphq wrote:
> On 12/18/06, Abigail wrote:
> >On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 11:07:50PM -0800, Yoz Grahame wrote:
> >> On 12/17/06, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Bad comparison: traditional regexps are much e
in question.
> Consistency's for suckers, clearly.)
Well, so does Perl, and so your PCRE example. The latter backslashes
the d, turning the literal d into a metacharacter, and it backslashes
the ., turning the metacharacter . into the literal .
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there's no tomorrow if someones
code doesn't follow todays fad in that specific community.
Perlmonks must be the best thing that happened to Python.
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style for loop').
;-)
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On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 05:36:15PM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Abigail [2006-12-16 09:55]:
> > It's even more hateful that $" is a global variable and you
> > can't put it in a namespace, or localize it. (And for the Perl
> > weenies out there: local has its
. The professor responded that
"computer languages don't use English. They use arbitrary keywords that
just happen to resemble English words".
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ul that $" is a global variable and you can't put
it in a namespace, or localize it. (And for the Perl weenies out there:
local has its own list of hate).
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t's certainly your prerogative.
Let's stay on topic, please. This is a hates software list.
Perl is software, and therefore, hateful.
Take your defence of Perl to its advocacy list.
Abigail
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The xpdf you suggested in a previous post does just that, without
having that toggable. Well, it won't check if you're leaving xpdf
alone, but it will if you switch to a new page (and maybe even if
you scroll in the current page).
I don't think it will restart from page 1 though.
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rrect: defaulting to word splitting is broken.
Claiming the default behaviour is wrong on account of what newbies
do is wrong. That's like saying Ferrari got it wrong because how
newbie drivers drive.
Now, zsh would be right if they claim to be a shell for newbies.
But I don't think they
d later Mozilla, if the focus is in
the address bar, a ^W erases the word before the cursor. Just like my
shell does, and my editor. Very, very useful if you want to paste in a
new URL. But not so in Firefox. Oh, no, then ^W kills the current tab,
which, if all you have is one window with just one tab, quits Firefox.
Abigail
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ck on the MS-DOS icon.
Crew: I don't have a mouse.
JSC: Go to the backup plan.
Crew: Which is what?
JSC: Dock with the Russians. They have a Unix workstation you can borrow.
[http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19.60.html#subj5]
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On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 09:42:40PM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Abigail [2006-05-26 21:20]:
> > If you use 'rm', you ought to be aware of the '-r' option. If
> > you've choosen to use a shell that expands '-?' for you,
>
> Err, is ther
if it does, I guess that's your
> > > fault too?
> >
> > No it's yours. *YOU* planted the bomb.
>
> Thanks for connecting the dots. The user gets screwed and it's not
> their fault, and they are exposed by this dumb -? pattern.
I disagree.
If you use 'rm', you ought to be aware of the '-r' option. If you've
choosen to use a shell that expands '-?' for you, and you choose to use
'-?' unquoted, and get bitten, well, boohoo. I don't find that hateful.
Abigail
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xit with a non-zero
value, while if the user asks for help, the message should be
written to stdout, and the program should exit with a zero value.
Abigail
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in that size.
Only way out of it seems to scale a window to you preferred size,
wait about ten minutes, kill that window and wait another ten minutes
before creating a new window. Only then it has forgotten the size.
Abigail
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On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 01:25:46AM +0100, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Abigail [2006-03-11 00:35]:
> >And you're supposed to be able to surpress popups - a feat you
> >display prominently each and every time *you display a popup*.
>
> I find the blocker does work, but is n
opups, you also lie to me, claiming
you did something you didn't.
Too bad Internet Explorer doesn't run on Linux.
Abigail
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user' to
unlock the account, it starts thinking that the account has too many
failed login attempts, and when I use 'chkusr' to unset this flag,
the account becomes locked.
Only later I learn that if you run SMIT with a different command, you can
set even more user parameters, incl
agic bytes without a
governing body to determine what which byte mean sucks as well. Both
suck because anyone can pick anything, and clashes are determined too
late. But worse are OSses where some applications use magic bytes, and
some applications use extensions.
Abigail
On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:55:14PM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote:
> * Abigail [2005-10-17 19:45]:
> > If you want to send to something that looks curly, send me a
> > PDF or an image. If you want to indicate you're contracting two
> > words, use a apostrophe. And let
ndard does not specify the size, shape, nor style of
on-screen characters.
If you want to send to something that looks curly, send me a PDF or
an image. If you want to indicate you're contracting two words, use
a apostrophe. And let *me* decide whether I want them straight or curly.
Abigail
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