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> And it still sounds like you'll be using a ton of s to replace s > and s. Well, except that it wouldn't be a "ton", and the layout of the divs would be specified entirely in the CSS file. Like the stuff Aaron linked to. > And if I understand you right, you want something like: > >

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> So something more like the possible approaches in this, then? > > http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-layout-20051215/ ... Oh, thank you! That looks like it allows just about everything I can think of, except for non-contiguous and interleaved flow. Non-contiguous flow: @x a

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It was thus said that the Great Peter da Silva once stated: > > You'll then notice that the "Obligatory Picture" is now below the Amazon ads > > (which themselves have shifted down) on the right hand side. I did not use > > floats for either style, nor did I play with layers. Granted, it took som

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>"If and only if the media type is not given by a Content-Type field, the >recipient MAY attempt to guess the media type via inspection of its >content and/or the name extension(s) of the URI used to identify the >resource." (RFC 2616) > Software that ignores this, and decides to s

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> You'll then notice that the "Obligatory Picture" is now below the Amazon ads > (which themselves have shifted down) on the right hand side. I did not use > floats for either style, nor did I play with layers. Granted, it took some > playing around with but since I don't really *care* for IE com

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* Aaron Crane [2006-07-13 12:40]: > No, only people who didn't understand the point of > non-presentational markup did that. The rest of us went from > > Hello there! > > to > > Hello there! Don’t miss though. FWIW, I use `` a lot, and no, it’s not becau

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Peter da Silva writes: > I'm not talking about "multi-column layout", I'm talking about general > grid layout. You should be able to define a complex page layout, at the > top level, completely in CSS, just as easily as you can define a complex > table. So something more like the possible approach

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On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:41:08PM +1200, Guy Thornley wrote: > Im sure there is plenty of other things. Oh there definately is: theres no > option for "treat as plain text" when opening an unsupported mime type. Over five and a half years old and counting. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c

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Guy Thornley writes: > Oh now we get to one my pet [Firefox] hates; the one that I find most > endearing: the handling of the multi-line text input dialoges. In many > unix text editors, Ctrl-A is beginning-of-line; so you press Ctrl-A, > and then press a key to insert whatever character you want:

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Peter da Silva writes: > > JSC: Okay. Press Alt + Esc. > > Oh yes, it's *control-escape*. Bleeding obvious, no? No? > > Alt was the universal command key up to then, but Windows 95 is when > Microsoft really jumped the shark... I think that Ctrl+Esc did do something on Windows 3.1, perhap

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On 7/13/06, Guy Thornley wrote: Im sure there is plenty of other things. Oh there definately is: theres no option for "treat as plain text" when opening an unsupported mime type. The server is always right, is it? Yes. Yes it is. "If and only if the media type is not given by a Content-Ty

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It was thus said that the Great Peter da Silva once stated: > > Like I said, you _can_ do this, but it won't work in IE. The spec is > > eight years old, so blame Microsoft, not the W3, though they should be > > shot for other reasons (XSLT, for instance). Just read the damned link: > > > ht

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On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 02:25:44PM +0100, Yoz Grahame wrote: > On 7/12/06, Hakim Cassimally wrote: > > > >So, I had to reboot it every 1-2 days or it would run like treacle, > > Same with mine. And the problem - oh how I laughed - appears to be > Firefox leaking like a wounded oil tanker. Please

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> Like I said, you _can_ do this, but it won't work in IE. The spec is > eight years old, so blame Microsoft, not the W3, though they should be > shot for other reasons (XSLT, for instance). Just read the damned link: > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/tables.html#anonymous-boxes I *did* read

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:51:21 -0400, Peter da Silva wrote: I'm not talking about "multi-column layout", I'm talking about general grid layout. You should be able to define a complex page layout, at the top level, completely in CSS, just as easily as you can define a complex table. Including ro

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> CSS 3, Multi-Column Layout, currently a Working Draft. Doesn't > (currently) include a way to specify min and max column widths and let > the browser auto-size the columns, but this is where to speak up if you > want to see this in an actual standard. db#> INSERT INTO hates_software (tag,hate)

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On 2006-07-12 at 15:33 +0200, David Landgren wrote: > Give the .cmd extension a whirl in lieu of .bat, that may work. Either > works for me so perhaps your PC's ext associations are fupped uck. Just to double-check before I spend time fighting Windows -- this is using the App Paths section of the

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On 2006-07-12 at 13:50 -0500, Peter da Silva wrote: > IE, instead of having 30 lines of obscure layout code, you should be able to > say something like: > > ... page { > layout: grid rows 1 columns 3; > columns: "left", "center", "right"; > } CSS 3, Multi-Column Layout, currently a Working Dr

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> But that's what you missed. You can specify table layout for any > elements, but since IE doesn't support these properties it doesn't make It looked like you could make any element act like or , but it didn't look like you could describe the table in the CSS.

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* Peter da Silva [2006-07-12 16:55]: > (insert hate about CSS taking the whole "no tables" things too > seriously and refusing to have grid layout as an option, just > to turn it up to 11) `display: table-cell`, anyone? Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis //

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:50:34 -0400, Peter da Silva wrote: tables for layout in inappropriate ways, and CSS doesn't seem to have a way to specify grid layout in the CSS file... But that's what you missed. You can specify table layout for any elements, but since IE doesn't support these p

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:50:34 -0400, Peter da Silva wrote: > (insert hate about CSS taking the whole "no tables" things too seriously > and refusing to have grid layout as an option, just to turn it up to 11) Actually it does, it's just not supported in IE so nobody bothers with it. Tha

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> > (insert hate about CSS taking the whole "no tables" things too seriously > > and refusing to have grid layout as an option, just to turn it up to 11) > Actually it does, it's just not supported in IE so nobody bothers with > it. That or people think it's just there for styling existing tabl

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:54:04 -0400, Peter da Silva wrote: (insert hate about CSS taking the whole "no tables" things too seriously and refusing to have grid layout as an option, just to turn it up to 11) Actually it does, it's just not supported in IE so nobody bothers with it. That or p

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> I'm switching browser Real Soon Now, I promise. Try Camino. Firefox with almost-native GUI and no XUL hate. (not that it doesn't have its own hate, but it's a *dry* hate)

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> Ohgodyes. I suspect Safari was partially responsible for my > experiences of OS 10.4 on a Mini being less stable than XP on the > laptop sitting next to it. Safari appeared to consistently take twice > as much RAM as Firefox despite the latter running three times as many > tabs. That, along with

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Yoz Grahame writes: > Safari appeared to consistently take twice as much RAM as Firefox despite > the latter running three times as many tabs. It seems not uncommon for my Safari to take 3 *gigabytes* of memory after several days of usage. This is on a laptop with 768 MB of RAM; unsurprisingly, I

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On 7/12/06, Hakim Cassimally wrote: Just to keep the hate nice and focused on topic, Safari, on gf's, dad's, and brother's iBooks beachballs to a half when I try to run it with more than 2 or 3 tabs. That and failing to work on pretty much for any credit-card purchase I want to make really don

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> You can have the target be a .lnk file (pointing directly to the .exe), You can put command line arguments and things in a shortcut, and may be able to run a batch file from there. If not, make it a shortcut to "cmd.exe" and put the batch file in the arguments. Or do what I do and keep a comman

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Phil Pennock wrote: On 2006-07-12 at 11:00 +0200, Hakim Cassimally wrote: [...] I could never quite work out where these names were registered (they're not in PATH, but are the short names which respond to "start progname" in command line, I rifled through the registry a couple of times to tr

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On 7/12/06, Yoz Grahame wrote: On 7/12/06, Hakim Cassimally wrote: > > So, I had to reboot it every 1-2 days or it would run like treacle, Same with mine. And the problem - oh how I laughed - appears to be Firefox leaking like a wounded oil tanker. Let me guess, you had some page with autore

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On 7/12/06, Hakim Cassimally wrote: So, I had to reboot it every 1-2 days or it would run like treacle, Same with mine. And the problem - oh how I laughed - appears to be Firefox leaking like a wounded oil tanker. Sure, I'm frequently running in excess of 30 tabs, but when the process starts

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> JSC: Okay. Press Alt + Esc. > Crew: And what does that do? > JSC: It should help. > Crew: Negative. Oh yes, it's *control-escape*. Bleeding obvious, no? No? Alt was the universal command key up to then, but Windows 95 is when Microsoft really jumped the shark...

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On 12/07/06, Phil Pennock wrote: On 2006-07-12 at 11:12 +0200, Phil Pennock wrote: Something has to go wrong soon, because this OS install is almost becoming tolerable and every time I think that, I become frustrated at something new and the hates builds to an even higher level than ever before.

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On 2006-07-12 at 11:12 +0200, Phil Pennock wrote: > I've since added a few others. The main limitation is that you're > limited to .exe, from what I recall, so no .bat. The other is that > whilst you can specify that a program takes drag&drop, you can't > otherwise massage the parameters. That,

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On 2006-07-12 at 11:00 +0200, Hakim Cassimally wrote: > windows-r brings up a mini command line. When I used windows I used > that for pretty much all of my application launching. Sure it mean > you had to remember "excel" but "winword" and "powerpnt", but with > command-line completion that wasn

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On 11/07/06, Jan Martin Mathiassen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:42:07AM +0930, Bill Page said: >> windows+e brings up windows explorer > Windows-m minimises and unminimises everything which is hella useful windows-l brings up the logout/change user box in XP windows-r brings up a mini c

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On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 06:24:26PM +, Zach White wrote: > Can anyone think of a more asinine proceedure for logging out? Not only is > it completely unintuitive, but the very way it operates is hateful. Shuttle crew members share your hate. From THE WEEKLY UNIX NEWSPAPER, London, 16-20 Fe

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:19:15 +0200, "Philip Newton" wrote: > On 7/11/06, John Handelaar wrote: > > (Anyone else still shut Windows apps with Alt-F4?) > > I use it to shut extra Firefox windows. Which is still the same app. Ick. > > And Opera 9, which interfered with my Ctrl+N = new tab muscle

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On 7/11/06, John Handelaar wrote: (Anyone else still shut Windows apps with Alt-F4?) I use it to shut extra Firefox windows. Which is still the same app. Ick. And Opera 9, which interfered with my Ctrl+N = new tab muscle memory. And Ctrl+Q closes down the whole program, so Alt+F4 it is. Still

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On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:08:43PM +0100, John Handelaar wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote: > >Which brings me to my hate of Microsoft using CONTROL for application > >commands AS WELL AS for command line OS level controls. > > See also: everyone else with both GUIs and terminals. > > Well, except

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> Peter da Silva wrote: > > Which brings me to my hate of Microsoft using CONTROL for application > > commands AS WELL AS for command line OS level controls. > See also: everyone else with both GUIs and terminals. (insert control-click hate, stir well) > Well, except IBM. (Anyone else still

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Peter da Silva wrote: Which brings me to my hate of Microsoft using CONTROL for application commands AS WELL AS for command line OS level controls. See also: everyone else with both GUIs and terminals. Well, except IBM. (Anyone else still shut Windows apps with Alt-F4?) -- --

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[Regarding the "win" key. On Jul 10, 2006, at 11:34 PM, Chris Devers wrote: Au contraire, I used to feel this way, but once I got used to them I realized that they made it possible to use Windows nearly sans mouse. That's another reason for my hatred of the Win key. You see, prior to the make

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>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:42:07AM +0930, Bill Page said: >>> the only useful thing i can think of about the windows key is >>> windows+e brings up windows explorer >>> though i assume there's another way of doing that anyway? >> >> Windows-m minimises and unminimises everything which is hella u

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> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:42:07AM +0930, Bill Page said: >> the only useful thing i can think of about the windows key is >> windows+e brings up windows explorer >> though i assume there's another way of doing that anyway? > > Windows-m minimises and unminimises everything which is hella useful

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On 7/11/06, Simon Wistow wrote: Windows-m minimises and unminimises everything which is hella useful sometimes. Hiding your porn one handed, for example. -- Adam Auden - UNIX Metal Geek whois bimble.net

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On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 10:42:07AM +0930, Bill Page said: > the only useful thing i can think of about the windows key is > windows+e brings up windows explorer > though i assume there's another way of doing that anyway? Windows-m minimises and unminimises everything which is hella useful sometim

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Ricardo SIGNES wrote: > * Chris Devers [2006-07-11T00:34:30] > > As for the menu key, show me any other way to bring up a context menu > > for the current focus (highlighted) item without using the mouse. > > I thought this nearly always was Shift-F10..? Possibly, I hadn't

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* Chris Devers [2006-07-11T00:34:30] > As for the menu key, show me any other way to bring up a context menu > for the current focus (highlighted) item without using the mouse. I thought this nearly always was Shift-F10..? -- rjbs pgpgpl8fNYt0I.pgp Description: PGP signature

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Peter da Silva wrote: > I never hit the "win" key in Windows, except when I've been using a > Mac recently and I'm going for Command. Can anyone come up with as big > a waste of keyboard space as the two Windows keys and the menu key... > all of which simply duplicate other

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the only useful thing i can think of about the windows key is windows+e brings up windows explorer though i assume there's another way of doing that anyway? On 7/11/06, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Peter da Silva [2006-07-11 01:55]: > can't even be usefully applied as hotkeys in other apps? I like t

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* Peter da Silva [2006-07-11 01:55]: > can't even be usefully applied as hotkeys in other apps? I like them, a set of extra meta keys is always nice to have... But of course I don't use Windows. There are a couple hates to be had around the subject (binding keys in X11; trying to bind keys in Wi

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> Granted, WinXP and 2003 get this better, and admittedly I could use the > logout option in the start menu itself that can be enabled, but that action > isn't burned into muscle memory from years of hitting Win, u, enter every > time I wanted to log out. I never hit the "win" key in Windows, exce

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Can anyone think of a more asinine proceedure for logging out? Not only is it completely unintuitive, but the very way it operates is hateful. I have this particular Win2k box I log into once a week or so via RDC. About a month ago I had to reboot the box, after it had been up for months. So of co