Re: [Heb-NACO] series-like phrases, e.g. Pardes shirah

2024-07-24 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
I second the request for a series-like phrase authority. This would be a boon. True, it won't stop the addition of 490/uncontrolled 830 entries, but at least the authority will provide guidance for those who check (and correct, unfortunately). On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 3:02 PM Shinohara, Jasmin

Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of ייי

2024-06-20 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Hi Vanessa: Funny that you should bring this up. The guys over at Daily Dose of Aramaic just started Targum Neofiti, where the tetragrammaton is represented by three yuds. It came up in today's episode, in fact:

[Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

2024-03-07 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
m, or how useful that form is to the user. The *HCM-RDA *specifies: “Abbreviations representing the Tetragrammaton are romanized as they appear.” Just my half pfennig… *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2024 6:17 PM *To:* Miller, Caroli

Re: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity

2024-03-07 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e.g. Exodus 35:1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to further complicate the issue with initialisms. Bob On Thu, Mar 7,

Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

2023-07-25 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Hi Vanessa: The HCM pp.17-18 "Foreign loan words" discusses this point briefly, but the only guidance provided is " A few loan words are also treated as though exempt from the rules governing the aspiration/ non-aspiration of b/v, k/kh, and p/f when preceded by an open syllable." There are a

Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple

2023-07-20 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Hi Yossi: Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917, $c אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן, [that is, 1911 or 1912] $c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912] 500 Publication date is based on the destruction of the Second Temple. My two cents On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 9:55 AM Yossi Galron via Heb-naco <

Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization question

2023-04-27 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
It might be nice if this was added as an example to Hebraica Cataloging RDA pp.16-17 since it's a perennial question. On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:01 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > Correction: it is already in the wiki. I’ll add the wrong form haytah > (which

Re: [Heb-NACO] ALA/LC romanization(?) for Aramic as used in Babylonian Talmud, Talmud Yerushalmi, midrashitc texts

2022-11-14 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Hmm. I don't know that the language warrants a gold standard analog to Even Shoshan: 1) The corpus is finite: Nothing new is being written in any of the various Jewish takes on Aramaic (so far as I know), so the need to standardize is greatly reduced; 2) Lexicon is only part of the issue: As

Re: [Heb-NACO] British Chief Rabbinate

2022-11-03 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Great question. I've poked a bit at the internet and located a relevant link ( https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://chiefrabbi.org/history-chief-rabbinate/__;!!KGKeukY!2RJq2nXsL4Kv1jxgkou0_PX9v5NMreu64VTT52O5ZoypHYpAcoA1fTeodsaiE1pTB3xlHjlXvjhWkCuCa6MhyZmlaqy-KqjlXg$ ) that seems to say that the

Re: [Heb-NACO] צדפים

2022-10-21 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
True, but a two word title with one word misromanized is a different story. On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 8:40 AM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > And if I emailed the list every time I corrected misromanizations, your > inboxes would be flooded… J From: Heb-naco

[Heb-NACO] An advisory on recent CUY$cCUY records

2022-09-26 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Folks: UC Berkeley recently contracted an unnamed vendor to supply Hebrew language records to our catalog. These records were accepted without review, and perhaps even more unfortunately, the records were created using our call letters, CUY, in the 040 coded as full level records. 14 of the 16

Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization of מחשבות

2022-05-13 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Hi Caroline: In the plural, per ESh published in 2003, the absolute is romanized as "ma[dot]hshavot" and the semikhut is "ma[dot]hshevot." Make of that what you will. Bob On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 3:22 PM Yossi Galron via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > Mahashavot. The is a

Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization question

2022-02-05 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
HI Rachel: That's a sticky one. I suggest ke-ilu. Why? Because the first entry in the ES definitiion is a "roe" to ilu. Also somewhere in the HCM we're advised to use the hyphenate when encountering cases that are hybrid or confusing. In any event once a decision is made it would be nice to

Re: [Heb-NACO] Monoson has 3 vavs

2022-02-02 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Thanks Haim. Cheers Bob On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 3:55 PM Gottschalk, Haim wrote: > > > Thanks Bob. Will be more careful. > > > > Haim > > *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf > Of *Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 1, 2022 3:31 PM >

Re: [Heb-NACO] Monoson has 3 vavs

2022-02-01 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
> > > > לא משעמם > > > > *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 01, 2022 3:31 PM > *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel > *Subject:* [Heb-NACO] Monoson has 3 vavs > > > > Folks: > > > > I've b

[Heb-NACO] Monoson has 3 vavs

2022-02-01 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Folks: I've been meaning to send this out for a while, but now that I have a calm moment, I'd like to draw your collective attention to Yehud Monoson. Way back when, Yehud Monoson was spelled "יהוד מונסון" in publications, then once Ofir Bikhurim starting taking off, the publications began using

Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Roger's Subject headings tentative monthly list 2107

2021-06-21 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
HI Marlene: Good catch. The authority in LC's authority file (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lccn.loc.gov/sh85070834__;!!KGKeukY!m3kgvx2NQmQyU-PWiYdY-gbsPyd_rTPFL2vMX3qYkFrKPK0JxSKmL-BPdQoID_DM77nu$ ) doesn't show that as an old heading, but it does give that form in the 781 (subdivision

Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs

2021-04-27 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
> > ***External Email*** > > I was under the impression that rules didn't go into effect until > published. > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:58 AM Shinohara, Jasmin > wrote: > > Dear colleagues, I regret that the guidance coming from LC/PCC is not more > popular amo

Re: [Heb-NACO] 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs

2021-04-23 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
policy. > As such, henceforth, please code Hebrew dates that are not substantiated by > Gregorian dates as uncertain in NACO records. > > > > Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin > > > > *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Robert > M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Friday, April 23, 20

Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Sacred work

2021-01-26 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
It's not my approach, and I share your concern, but the simple fact of the matter is that many catalogers do pretty much whatever they think is right whether or not that fits in with the rules/instructions, past practice, or common sense, and there's pretty much no way of correcting the situation

Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work

2021-01-25 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Discussing it during the summer session is a good idea. I also suggest the creation of a working list of sacred works that we can all agree upon, though I realize this may be problematic. B On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:58 AM Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: >

Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work

2021-01-25 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Hi Heidi: Outside of the obvious sacred works, I think it's up to the individual library to decide what gets treated as a sacred work and what doesn't since there isn't an official list. For my money, the Zohar is not a sacred text. Important, intriguing, wrapped in mystery and goof-ball

Re: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: RDA Toolkit appendix B.10 (Hebrew and Yiddish abbreviations)

2020-07-30 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
; > Metadata Dept. > > Stanford University Libraries > > Stanford, CA 94305-6004 > > ph: 650-725-9953 > > fax: 650-725-1120 > > e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu > > -- > *From:* Heb-naco on behalf of Robert M. > TALBOTT via Heb-naco >

Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

2019-02-07 Thread Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco
Folks: I have to say that I'm in Yosi's camp. A vote for "bi-gelal" is a vote for sanity. B On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:23 PM Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > I agree with Jasmin. > > > Neil > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:20 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco <