Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Cory de La Torre
Yeah, External HDD's are the best way to store your data, alongside having servers set up and such. If you must any form of flash memory 'sd cards' 'flash drives' etc; never work on them continually, rather just use them for dumping a copy of your work, and never touching them again aside updating

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread ZuM
Maybe you got a problem on your filesystem. Try formating it completely and see if you still have these problems, and/or check for bad blocks, these can cause quite a few problems specially if theres a lot of them :S. 2009/8/20 Kyle Jansen > Since I'm the only one on my mod, I just have an ancie

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Kyle Jansen
Since I'm the only one on my mod, I just have an ancient (P3-era Celeron, GeForce 2, 384 megs of RAM) PC working as a Samba server. Every time I do major work, I copy it over. So when my main computer's hard drive started acting up, I didn't lose any mod code. I've got an identical hard drive in an

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Luke Smith
Ah thanks for the heads up on th memory stick I guess I should invest in an external hard drive to backup important stuff. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/list

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Michael
Hey, just one more thing to add Nick, how did the drive die? Did the platters physically crash, IE: did you hear clicking? Because if only the head controller went you can get another hard drive of the same model and switch them out. I've been lucky a few times over the years using this meth

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Harry Jeffery
As a complete and utter wipe-o-maniac I practically live off my external hard drive. Steam + All my games are installed on it. I do burn my source code to cd once a week as another form of backup, but I wipe my computer pretty much every other month. It's not intentional it's just my way of keeping

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread David Kraeutmann
Yes. On 8/20/09, Tom Edwards wrote: > So you've got Steamworks? > > David Kraeutmann wrote: >> We use svn for data files for devs, a svnsync read only mirror of >> sourcemod_dir for testers and git for source code. We currently >> evaluate using a steam content server for testing build distributi

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Gabriel Smith
harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data. To be honest, as far as i know using a memory stick to keep your data is not the best of ideas. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the chances of a memory stick failing and crashing is bigger than that of a hard-drive, as after a ce

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread botman
WORD! On 8/20/2009 9:31 AM, ZuM wrote: > To be honest, as far as i know using a memory stick to keep your data is not > the best of ideas. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the chances of a > memory stick failing and crashing is bigger than that of a hard-drive, as > after a certain number of w

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread botman
If you're talking about USB thumbdrive, don't rely on them for backups. I've had 4 die on me in the last 5 years. This may be due to carrying the thumbdrive around with me everywhere and/or leaving it in a hot car during the day. If you leave it sitting beside your desk all the time and don

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread ZuM
To be honest, as far as i know using a memory stick to keep your data is not the best of ideas. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the chances of a memory stick failing and crashing is bigger than that of a hard-drive, as after a certain number of writes and reads from it. Not completely sure abo

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Luke Smith
Ive recently started working started using n 8gb memory stick for all my code. Its working fine for me and I have plenty of space left though I dont know if these can still crash and cause problems? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or vie

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Gabriel Smith
Thanks! Gabriel Smith From: Jed To: ga29sm...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17:13 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data. > By the way! Would any artist look at this? -->

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Gabriel Smith
To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:05:10 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data. I always used to have the problem of being a coder, and not being able to get people to help me for art on my projects. But I guess

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread ZuM
Half-Life Programming > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost > tons of data. > > I didn't read all but there are companies that can restore data from broken > harddrives, almost no matter how broken the harddrive is. > It costs around 125eur

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Tony Sergi
al Message- From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Harry Jeffery Sent: August-19-09 10:37 PM To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data. @ Richard I le

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Tony Sergi
oders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Doeke Wartena Sent: August-20-09 8:51 AM To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data. I didn't read all but ther

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Tom Edwards
So you've got Steamworks? David Kraeutmann wrote: > We use svn for data files for devs, a svnsync read only mirror of > sourcemod_dir for testers and git for source code. We currently > evaluate using a steam content server for testing build distribution > > On 8/20/09, Adam Buckland wrote: >

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread David Kraeutmann
Our tester repo is 6 GByte, 3.1 G when loading (checkouting). SC is 1G. I have no idea how much traffic is created. I think about 100G/Month. On 8/20/09, Adam Buckland wrote: > It'll be interesting to see how much bandwidth you use when you > actually release, since people (myself included!) will

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread David Kraeutmann
We use svn for data files for devs, a svnsync read only mirror of sourcemod_dir for testers and git for source code. We currently evaluate using a steam content server for testing build distribution On 8/20/09, Adam Buckland wrote: > It'll be interesting to see how much bandwidth you use when you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-20 Thread Adam Buckland
It'll be interesting to see how much bandwidth you use when you actually release, since people (myself included!) will be desperate to get their hands on it! On 20 Aug 2009, at 03:15, Paul Peloski wrote: > Over at BMS all our files (sources and build) are stored on a virtual > private server

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Paul Peloski
Over at BMS all our files (sources and build) are stored on a virtual private server. Pretty much everyone working on the mod (30-40 people?) uses our SVN to keep in sync with the development. We also keep a weekly rsync backup of the entire repository on another server. We use about 150Gb/month of

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Andrew Armstrong
- Andrew -Original Message- From: hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlcoders-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Doeke Wartena Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 9:51 AM To: Discussion of Half-Life Programming Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost to

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Doeke Wartena
I didn't read all but there are companies that can restore data from broken harddrives, almost no matter how broken the harddrive is. It costs around 125euros or more but in some cases it's worth everything. just so you know. clankill3r ___ To unsubscri

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Garrett "Kylegar" Fleenor
hehehe, I like how he missed To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders at the bottom of every e-mail On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Jonathan Murphy wrote: > I just sent him some very nasty e-mails

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Jonathan Murphy
I just sent him some very nasty e-mails as well as a unsubscribe confirmation to his inbox. I have a feeling he won't read them though. :\ On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Jonathan Murphy wrote: > The new Thunderbird is capable of compiling a conversation into a single > view of messages much lik

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Jonathan Murphy
The new Thunderbird is capable of compiling a conversation into a single view of messages much like a forum reads. But the guy was saying that the *digest* doesn't remove the quoted text. The digest is a single e-mail generated weekly (maybe daily too? Not sure) with all the mailing list posts in

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Ryan Sheffer
Using gmail so it doesn't actually spam your inbox with new messages, puts them all under one message. Not sure how everyone elses works. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Brent Lewis wrote: > > DAMN PEOPLE! Flood much? Here, let me help. :-P > > > > > On 19 Aug 2009, at 20:36, Joost van kempen

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Garrett Fleenor
I use Gmail for that reason. It's really nice about removing the quoted text and turning a mailing list into a forum of sorts. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Dave Gomboc wrote: > Unfortunately, even the daily digests are frequently not of much help, > because many posters reply to long thread

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Brent Lewis
DAMN PEOPLE! Flood much? Here, let me help. :-P > > > On 19 Aug 2009, at 20:36, Joost van kempen > wrote: > > > > > > I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://l

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Dave Gomboc
Unfortunately, even the daily digests are frequently not of much help, because many posters reply to long threads without chopping off the stuff that is no longer relevant from the bottom. There are days where those of us subscribing to the "daily" digest receive many such messages, and each maili

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Harry Jeffery
kempen > >> >> I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE >> >> > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com >> > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >> > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 >> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning.

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread ZuM
; > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost > tons of data. > > > > I would politely suggest that you unsubscribe from the list or opt for > > the daily digest instead. There was no need for tha

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread botman
LOL. On 8/19/2009 3:21 PM, Joost van kempen wrote: > I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > >> From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No wa

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: little_jo...@hotmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:19:46 +0200 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost > tonsof data. > > > I DONT WAN

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: little_jo...@hotmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:21:01 +0200 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost > tonsof data. > > > I DONT WAN

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: little_jo...@hotmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:50 +0200 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost > tonsof data. > > > I DONT WAN

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: little_jo...@hotmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:37:19 +0200 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost > tonsof data. > > > I DONT WAN

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: r2d2r...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:57:04 +0200 > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > How ironic that the last post before t

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: r2d2r...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:57:04 +0200 > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > How ironic that the last post before t

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > From: adamjbuckl...@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > I would politely suggest that you

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Adam Buckland
0 >> From: gear@gmail.com >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I >> lost tonsof data. >> >> Stay on Topic. >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Harry Jeffery < >>

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Rodrigo 'r2d2rigo' Diaz
How ironic that the last post before the "I DON'T WANT SPAM ANYMORE" is the one from Cory begging to stay on topic. 2009/8/19 Jonas 'Sortie' Termansen > *To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlco

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Jonas 'Sortie' Termansen
*To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders If that isn't helpful, please tell us and we'll help you get off the list. (Or can some administrator simply remove him permanently so he doesn't spam ag

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Joost van kempen
I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 > From: gear@gmail.com > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons > of data. > > Stay on Topic. > > On Wed, Aug

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Cory de La Torre
Stay on Topic. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Harry Jeffery < harry101jeff...@googlemail.com> wrote: > For a full conversion 3-4 (maybe even 5) coders is acceptable but the > majority of mods really don't need as many coders as they try to get. > > Generally I learn the bit of the SDK I'm about

[hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Mulchman
Minh wrote: > ouch, u should consider setting up an SVN repo. > If you work on any code that you don't want to lose then this is the best idea ever. A second machine w/ terrible specs can easily run a perforce (my favorite - and it's free for 2 users & 6 client specs), svn, mercurial, git, cvs -

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Harry Jeffery
For a full conversion 3-4 (maybe even 5) coders is acceptable but the majority of mods really don't need as many coders as they try to get. Generally I learn the bit of the SDK I'm about to work on, for a bit before I start work instead of learning the whole thing. By doing gameplay and logic fir

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Richard Slaughter
I totally agree that learning by doing is one of the best approaches, but it doesn't make always make sense slogging through the code to find something when you can just ask someone who already knows. Balance is always good :) I think a lot of the best stuff is often put out by smaller teams t

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Matt Hoffman
Not having anything worth keeping = No stress. :D :( On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:49 AM, ZuM wrote: > Well, one coder to develop a total conversion mod for a game in my opinion > is a small number. There are a lot of ground to cover and also most of the > people work full-time and develop the m

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread ZuM
Well, one coder to develop a total conversion mod for a game in my opinion is a small number. There are a lot of ground to cover and also most of the people work full-time and develop the mods on their free time, so it's not unreasonable to have 4-5 coders... Also this way everybody can specialise

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Harry Jeffery
@ Richard I learn by reading through the code and experimenting. Sometimes there are previous implementations I can use for reference. If someone wants to help a newbie by mentoring them that's great. I just feel that while being mentored the newbie should concentrate on becoming competent with th

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Adam Buckland
But surely if the coder actually likes the idea for the mod and wants to work on it, they would? On 19 Aug 2009, at 12:38, Harry Jeffery wrote: > Thing is I've always been able to get all the work done in a timely > manner on my own. > > Also there's not enough competent source engine progra

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Richard Slaughter
It can make sense on anything larger than a small mod, after all the SDK is a large codebase, and we don't all have the time to be expert in every single area of it. Although hlcoders does help with that :) Also you have to start somewhere, and having a mentor that knows the code better than y

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Harry Jeffery
Thing is I've always been able to get all the work done in a timely manner on my own. Also there's not enough competent source engine programmers to go around. A lot of well thought out and well made mods fail because they just could not get a coder. I just see it as pointless for a mod to have se

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread David Kraeutmann
I'm the lead dev at Empires, FYI On 8/19/09, Harry Jeffery wrote: > I never understood having multiple coders unless it's a large scale > project. From experience usually only one is enough per mod. > > 2009/8/19 David Kraeutmann : >> We use git, so every coder has a backup. >> + additional encry

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Jed
Guess you've never heard of peer review. :) 2009/8/19 Harry Jeffery : > I never understood having multiple coders unless it's a large scale > project. From experience usually only one is enough per mod. > > 2009/8/19 David Kraeutmann : >> We use git, so every coder has a backup. >> + additional en

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Benjamin Davison
DropBox if your having trouble getting something setup. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Olly wrote: > So you can get stuff done quicker? > > 2009/8/19 Harry Jeffery > > > I never understood having multiple coders unless it's a large scale > > project. From experience usually only one is enough

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Olly
So you can get stuff done quicker? 2009/8/19 Harry Jeffery > I never understood having multiple coders unless it's a large scale > project. From experience usually only one is enough per mod. > > 2009/8/19 David Kraeutmann : > > We use git, so every coder has a backup. > > + additional encrypted

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Harry Jeffery
I never understood having multiple coders unless it's a large scale project. From experience usually only one is enough per mod. 2009/8/19 David Kraeutmann : > We use git, so every coder has a backup. > + additional encrypted ftp backup > > On 8/19/09, Logan Baldock wrote: >> Harry Jeffery wrote:

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread David Kraeutmann
We use git, so every coder has a backup. + additional encrypted ftp backup On 8/19/09, Logan Baldock wrote: > Harry Jeffery wrote: >> H I really should get my code under svn before the next sdk update >> is released. >> >> 2009/8/19 Jed : >> >>> 2 x 500GB in RAID 1 config + eSata 500GB extern

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Logan Baldock
Harry Jeffery wrote: > H I really should get my code under svn before the next sdk update > is released. > > 2009/8/19 Jed : > >> 2 x 500GB in RAID 1 config + eSata 500GB external with Always Sync >> works for me :) >> >> - Jed >> >> 2009/8/19 Garry Newman : >> >>> I've got offsite SVN

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Garrett Fleenor
Over the course of development, 3 coders with 2 different svn servers and a git server, and I personally have 5 releases backed up onto a 16gig usb stick On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Harry Jeffery < harry101jeff...@googlemail.com> wrote: > H I really should get my code under svn before th

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Harry Jeffery
H I really should get my code under svn before the next sdk update is released. 2009/8/19 Jed : > 2 x 500GB in RAID 1 config + eSata 500GB external with Always Sync > works for me :) > > - Jed > > 2009/8/19 Garry Newman : >> I've got offsite SVN and a windows home server. >> >> Windows Home Se

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Jed
2 x 500GB in RAID 1 config + eSata 500GB external with Always Sync works for me :) - Jed 2009/8/19 Garry Newman : > I've got offsite SVN and a windows home server. > > Windows Home Server is defo worth looking into just for day to day > stuff. I could throw any of my computers out of the window r

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Garry Newman
I've got offsite SVN and a windows home server. Windows Home Server is defo worth looking into just for day to day stuff. I could throw any of my computers out of the window right now and still be able to browse its hard drive via WHS. garry On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Nick wrote: > Please,

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Adam "amckern" McKern
: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data. To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Received: Wednesday, 19 August, 2009, 4:21 PM Please, everyone backup your mod data to different hard drives. It was a western digital btw, only 7 months old

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-19 Thread Stephen Micheals
yeah its painfull to loose alot of data, thankfully i have always been a rigid backup nazi and never lost any very important data. having a backup server for your home or a offsite backup tool such as: http://www.jungledisk.com/ can be very useful. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Minh wrote

Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-18 Thread Minh
ouch, u should consider setting up an SVN repo. Nick wrote: > Please, everyone backup your mod data to different hard drives. It was > a western digital btw, only 7 months old. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archiv

[hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I lost tons of data.

2009-08-18 Thread Nick
Please, everyone backup your mod data to different hard drives. It was a western digital btw, only 7 months old. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlco