I think that PunkBuster is currently using this kind of hardware bans, but as
always, is more or less easily spoofable.
--
PiTaGoRaS
Whisper escribió (Fri, 1 Apr 2005 04:00:03 +1000):
You misunderstood what I was saying.
I was saying that the STEAM Client querys the Hardware address of
the
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:33:24AM -0500, StealthMode wrote:
Regarding the unique identifier method. An alternate would be (for intel
hacks users anyway) to use the serial # on the cpu itself to initiate the
ban. I don't know about you fellas, but I don't think most hax0rz would want
to
It could not have been better said.
Ray S.
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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:30 AM
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Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
I would bet a majority of them
Agreed...
I purchased HL2 which came with CS:S which I thought was a pretty cool
bonus.
I played and beat HL2 where as I can't seem to stand playing CS:S.For some
reason,like said,I guess its just not mature enough.Its a good game but I
still
enjoy playing CS1.6 alot more than I do CS:S right
Happy April Fool's Day everyone.
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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Agreed...
I purchased HL2 which came with CS:S
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Thanks Marten for clarifying that.
But for the average joe hacker, would they think to change their processor
id (via spoofing I assume) before installing hacks and running a steam
platform hl2
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Thanks Marten for clarifying that.
But for the average joe hacker, would they think to change their processor
id (via spoofing I assume) before installing hacks and running a steam
: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
I would bet a majority of them would purchase the upgrade.
Almost all people I know (IRL) who plays Halflife did already buy HalfLife2
with CS:S, tested it, then went back to CS1.6. To me its clear that CS:S is
not mature enough yet.
Most people I have spoken
.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:38 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hi Ray, I disagree, this is the same type of behavior that follows
anytime something new comes
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:38 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hi Ray, I disagree, this is the same type of behavior that follows
anytime something new comes along ie.. WON/STEAM.., CS 1.x - CS 1.6!
We go through
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
If you don't like the direction they are headed then why bother
continuing to run their games... oh yeah because they're the best around
and you ARE going to put up with it like you have all these years or you
would've left here long ago!
Ray, we've seen
PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
If you don't like the direction they are headed then why bother
continuing to run their games... oh yeah because they're the best around
and you ARE going to put up with it like you have all these years or you
would've left
call it reality.
Ray S.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:44 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
If you don't like the direction they are headed then why bother
continuing
Why do you think it is fair to warn of a possible anti-cheat that will
work?
We are talking about a serious company here. And I only said it's fair to
announce the start of a new system. They want as much players as possible,
this is the way to go.
So that the possible cheating Admin can say
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
Why do you think it is fair to warn of a possible anti-cheat that will
work?
We are talking about a serious company here. And I only said it's fair to
announce the start of a new system. They want as much players as possible,
this is the way to go.
If I am correct the
@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Micha Vermeer wrote:
Most will have to change their modem mac adress, which is (slightly?) more
difficult then your own computers nick, I think. ;)
It doesn't work that way. The MAC address that you would detect on your
server
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
If only you could ban by MAC address *sigh*
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Sent: Wednesday
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: 31. mars 2005 11:04
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
Why do you think it is fair to warn of a possible anti-cheat that will
work
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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Obviously you didnt know that this lawsuit was overturned in appeal and
the woman only managed to get her medical bills
Nearly possitive it's for source products only. But one can still hold out
hope.
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Regarding the unique identifier method. An alternate would be (for intel
hacks users anyway) to use the serial # on the cpu itself to initiate the
ban. I don't know about you fellas, but I don't think
Whisper wrote:
That being said, it still won't help you with Modem users who don't
have a MAC address, well not one in the same way a NIC does.
Dudes, your MAC (hardware) address never makes it to the servers you
play on unless they are on the local LAN. They aren't routed. You can
swap out,
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: 31. mars 2005 11:04
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
Why do you think it is fair to warn of a possible anti-cheat that will
work?
We are talking about a serious
You misunderstood what I was saying.
I was saying that the STEAM Client querys the Hardware address of the
NIC directly and uses that as a Unique Hardware ID.
Again not sure how viable an option this is.
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:25:43 -0800, m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whisper wrote:
That
it clearly states click YES
if you understand it won't work with a good prosecution team. You just
threw your right to sue away!
Regards
Bud Ingram wrote:
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From: WarCry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds
!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:02 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Why would you think a kid who sits on his ass all day while mom and dad
pay the bills
?
-Alex
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Sent: 31. mars 2005 11:04
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
Why do you think it is fair to warn of a possible anti-cheat
, March 31, 2005 9:02 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
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Yup, I can't wait until that's announced.
Alexander Kobbevik wrote:
Has Valve said anything about what VAC2
forward with Source and make secure servers the place to play!
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:02 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Why would you think a kid who sits
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mason
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:27 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hopefully VAC2 will work ONLY for Source games and ONLY on secure
servers. I
would love to have one single focused
: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:02 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hmm, currently according to steam:
Hl1 users online: 113,000+
Hl1 Servers online: 55,700+
Source users online: 49,000+
Source Servers online: 19,400+
It is always a good business model to piss off
@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hmm, currently according to steam:
Hl1 users online: 113,000+
Hl1 Servers online: 55,700+
Source users online: 49,000+
Source Servers online: 19,400+
It is always a good business model
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:26 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Whisper wrote:
That being said, it still won't help you with Modem users who don't
have a MAC address, well
and for
the most part works very well. But at first it was pure shinola...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Isn't Valve (and many many other companies) good at that? After
12:26 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Whisper wrote:
That being said, it still won't help you with Modem users who don't
have a MAC address, well not one in the same way a NIC does.
Dudes, your MAC (hardware) address never makes it to the servers
).. that's.. Again
all a pointless discussion anyway.
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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:26 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Whisper wrote:
That being said, it still
The thread that keeps on going and going.
Why discuss this at all?
I can say this without any reservations:
Anyone who claims there is no way to stop cheats or disputes the value
of anti-cheat systems or disparages the effort in any way are the
supporters of cheat user, cheat authors, and,
discussion anyway.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of m0gely
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:26 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Whisper wrote:
That being said, it still won't help you with Modem
Hey,
You guys are all missing the fact that the Steam ID system already has the
ability to be unique/secure.
Heres a c+p of an email I sent a while back as it explains a few things.
There already is a unique ID system, there is no need to make a
different/another one.
Since each game (source
Not to add wood to the fire, but amd currently thrashes intel for
gaming cpus. I am not loyal to either, but right now amd is
definitely better performance-wise and economically. You simply can
not getter a better value than an athlon64 right now.
Dave
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:33:24 -0500,
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Before the steam auth system was compromised, steamIDs were the
perfect ban identifier. Alfred's words were nosteam will be
considered a cheat and they will be banned..., but i think he was
being fecitious. Obviously this issue needs to be addressed.
Dave
Anyone who claims there is no way to stop cheats or disputes the value
of anti-cheat systems or disparages the effort in any way are the
supporters of cheat user, cheat authors, and, depending upon the
psychological fingerprint of the verbiage used, are the cheat authors
themselves.
No offense
Can't we just have WON back. :---)
-Oh come on someone had to say it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:58 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Hey
your being perfectly clear.
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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:23 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Oh gawd
What part of this don't you get
Im not talking
)
--ok I'm cutting myself off for the rest of the day to many hlds posts --
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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:01 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
I can't
Napier, Kevin wrote:
^^^
HAXOR ALERT!
lol
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Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Considering there is NO real effective anticheat measures through valve for
either of these groups, by moving forward with Source games only, they would
effectively win our (Source server ops) continued business AND we would
strongly encourage
Personally I want cheaters banned as soon as they join the server, none of
this 'checking' stuff.
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From: Alexander Kobbevik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
I been away
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From: Andrew Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Personally I want cheaters banned as soon as they join the server, none of
this 'checking' stuff.
I will second
stand by my idea, but maybe between updates is too long.
-Alex
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BoNfiRe
Sent: 30. mars 2005 12:46
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
- Original Message
Another Suggestion, to really get people to fear cheating, after VAC2 having
proven itself, make the ban steam wide, not just for the application being
played, they should not be able to play anything at all, not even on
non-secure servers.
Don't even give them a chance to enjoy the game(s)
not know it until
valve execute their list of banns collected.
-Alex
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong
Sent: 30. mars 2005 13:17
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
What if they made a new
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Don't even give them a chance to enjoy the game(s) they've tried to ruin
for
others.
I'm sure that VALVe would be all over
its likely that VALVe would get sued for millions for a
mistakenly banned account.
Just my 2 eurocents
Micha Vermeer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Don't even
Anyone know if server admins will know if someone was banned on their server
or not?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alexander
Kobbevik
Sent: 30 March 2005 12:03
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
I been
on ur CSS without you knowing... kinda unfair to instant-perm-ban in
my opinion... ;-)
- Original Message -
From: Pawel Dabrowski
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Anyone know
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Umm no
WTF would you want to give little cheating pricks any leniancy whatsoever?
What drugs are you on?
If you are not on drugs start thinking about taking some!
Cheating is the biggest #1
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Sent: 30 March 2005 15:07
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Umm no
WTF would you want to give little cheating pricks any leniancy whatsoever?
What drugs are you on?
If you are not on drugs start thinking about taking some!
Cheating
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
I don't think its likely that VALVe would get sued for millions for a
mistakenly banned account.
You forget the mentality
Ehm, did I not suggest this already?
Here is another copy of my mails to this list, because it seems everyone
missed them...
1st mail--
Another Suggestion, to really get people to fear cheating, after VAC2 having
proven itself, make the ban steam wide, not just for the
Strongly disagree here:
We'll have to come up with a solution for the pubs though :/
(if clients want to play CS(S), boot to a clean image, where security
disallows any additional files in the dir's (where possible).
IOT make the cheats work, files need to be copied to the working computer.
To this, if your server says if you play in this server and you hack in
this server your account will be permantly banned from steam and you
hack, then you violate terms of agreement to play on the server anyway.
This would be the user's own fault and therefore any lawsuit would be
bogus and crap
If the gaming community got together on this topic and did some
research we might find some interesting language in many service
agreements that cheaters routinely violate.
For instance, the service providing myg0t's domain name registry
forwarding/cloaking has an agreement with language to the
oh dear god..leave the lawyers out of this, it's a friggen game.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:08 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
If the gaming
VAC already uses a delayed ban system AFAIK.
Dave
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:02:46 +0200, Alexander Kobbevik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I been away from this list for a while and after seeing the last update
notice I ran back.
Can I make a suggestion for VAC2, please?
I know its only fair to
Why do you think it is fair to warn of a possible anti-cheat that will
work?
So that the possible cheating Admin can say gee, valve I'm not a
cheater, I was just testing the hack to see how it works!
How do you know that it has NOT been tested all along and they have made
sure it is going to work
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
- Original Message -
From: Andrew Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Personally I want cheaters banned as soon as they join the server,
none
From the update notice
When a cheat infraction is detected, the offender will be permanently
banned from playing on secure servers.
Regards
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another Suggestion, to really get people to fear cheating, after VAC2 having
proven itself, make the ban steam wide, not just for
, then forever.
- Original Message -
From: Whisper
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Umm no
WTF would you want to give little cheating pricks any leniancy
whatsoever?
What drugs are you on?
If you
their list of banns collected.
-Alex
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong
Sent: 30. mars 2005 13:17
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
What if they made a new cheat, tested it, banned.
Now
Dabrowski
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Anyone know if server admins will know if someone was banned on their
server
or not?
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BAN THEM ALL, lol i got owned last nite buy 2 guys with 275 ping and i had
16 ping go figure?
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... kinda unfair to
instant-perm-ban in
my opinion... ;-)
- Original Message -
From: Pawel Dabrowski
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Anyone know if server admins will know
- Original Message -
From: Adam Dolton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
This would be the user's own fault and therefore any lawsuit would be
bogus and crap anyway.
I'm sure
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
This would be the user's own fault and therefore any lawsuit would be
bogus and crap anyway.
I'm sure that McDonalds thought it was crap that some old lady was able to
successfully
David Harrison wrote:
Don't even give them a chance to enjoy the game(s) they've tried to
ruin for others.
I totally agree with this - but, while I'm looking forward to VAC2, my
concern is for the SteamID system. I've banned too many people only to
see them come back with a different SteamID not
We just need STEAM to institute E-STAB THROUGH SCREEN and that
will solve most of our problems. :D
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:59:31 -0800, Gerald Hefty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Harrison wrote:
Don't even give them a chance to enjoy the game(s) they've tried to
ruin for others.
I
Without going into the possibilties based on VAC2s structure /
performance and how that relates to ID banning (possibly several from
the same person, like the guy I know with six steamIDs), what
alternative is there? In the world of dynamic IPs, that doesn't quite
work out, so I don't know what
If only you could ban by MAC address *sigh*
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:21 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Without going into the possibilties
Ooh, wouldn't that be sexy. =)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If only you could ban by MAC address *sigh*
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:21 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds
Or, the steam ID issue could be fixed, and accounts would be banned as they
normally were in the old WON system.
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From: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Ooh
@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Without going into the possibilties based on VAC2s structure /
performance and how that relates to ID banning (possibly several from
the same person, like the guy I know with six steamIDs), what
alternative is there? In the world of dynamic IPs
On 31/03/2005 2:59 p.m., Gerald Hefty wrote:
I seem to remember Alfred posting this:
Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be
banned for using them).
- Alfred
Wasn't the problem that people could get steam IDs without CD keys? Is
that what nosteam is? (if so it's a
Hmmm Hardware ID's
Oh, somebody thought of that already :D
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:44:16 +1200, Simon Garner
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On 31/03/2005 2:59 p.m., Gerald Hefty wrote:
I seem to remember Alfred posting this:
Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be
31, 2005 5:38 AM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
You make it sound like it's difficult to change a MAC address.
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If only you could ban by MAC address *sigh*
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
This would be the user's own fault and therefore any lawsuit would be
bogus and crap anyway.
I'm
Of Micha Vermeer
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:28 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.
Most will have to change their modem mac adress, which is (slightly?) more
difficult then your own computers nick, I think. ;)
(I don't know much about that (yet
Micha Vermeer wrote:
Most will have to change their modem mac adress, which is (slightly?) more
difficult then your own computers nick, I think. ;)
It doesn't work that way. The MAC address that you would detect on your
server would be from the last router before hitting your box. You don't
have
m0gely wrote:
Micha Vermeer wrote:
Most will have to change their modem mac adress, which is (slightly?)
more
difficult then your own computers nick, I think. ;)
It doesn't work that way. The MAC address that you would detect on your
server would be from the last router before hitting your box.
Don't even give them a chance to enjoy the game(s) they've tried to
ruin for others.
I totally agree with this - but, while I'm looking forward to VAC2, my
concern is for the SteamID system. I've banned too many people only to
see them come back with a different SteamID not three minutes later to
On 31/03/2005 11:26 a.m., David Harrison wrote:
I totally agree with this - but, while I'm looking forward to VAC2, my
concern is for the SteamID system. I've banned too many people only to
see them come back with a different SteamID not three minutes later to
have much confidence that banning
Simon Garner wrote:
Yeah, it seems to me that at what point VAC bans is a moot point as long
as people can create as many Steam IDs as they want and circumvent any
ban that is applied.
Well, if it prevented them from cheating though then it's still good for
us. Not good for Valve yet, but good
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