Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] But I cannot see what the technical problem (other than maybe it might be computationally intensive for the server) would be to automate the clients various rate settings, to best suit the clients connection and the servers settings. On 7/25/05,

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread James Tucker
I am interested to hear opinions over the viability of client rate regulation at the server side by means of server regulated client view extrapolation. Would this be a better solution?, or does it simply produce too much regulation on the low rate client? On 7/25/05, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hey I agree with you James. My stupidity allowed me to get sucked in to Claytons baiting tactics. On 7/25/05, James Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [rant] > My god, two days after a message - how pathetic. > > Yes, client interpolation DO

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread James Tucker
[rant] My god, two days after a message - how pathetic. Yes, client interpolation DOES have to do with netcode, and here is the REASON that neither of you seem to have the decency to produce for each other. [/rant] Interpolation does several things which effect netcode, these will be summarised h

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread Graham Robinson
You both have each others email addresses, why not leave the rest of us out of this one? On 7/25/05, Clayton Macleod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > once again you fail to understand what's going on. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread Clayton Macleod
once again you fail to understand what's going on. I'm not disputing what you're saying about client view interpolation. I'm trying to point out to you that this only affects communication between *you* and the server. The communication between *me* and the server isn't affected by *you* one iota.

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Clayton you are once again being your usual arguing for the sake of it fucktard self You said quite specifically: > I thought cl_interp only affects that client's view, and not anything to > do with actual network communication, no? > Once agai

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread Clayton Macleod
I've read and understood it. You, obviously, have done one of those. Your client is not my client. Read that last sentence about 100 times. On 7/24/05, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Look, it is quite clear that you haven't even bothere

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread stalker333
Can two take this pissing contest somewhere else please, it got old about 6 posts ago. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-25 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Look, it is quite clear that you haven't even bothered to look at the dicument let alone read the section I specifically quoted What part of *"command execution"* don't understand? On 7/25/05, Clayton Macleod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > doub

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-24 Thread Clayton Macleod
doubt all you like, the document clearly spells out what cl_interp is/does. It's got to do with you and your view of the server's data. Your view of the server data has nothing to do with my view of the server data. You can alter *your* 'delay' all you like, it doesn't affect me, as I have my own s

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-24 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Some how I doubt you have even bother to read it On 7/25/05, Clayton Macleod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand it just fine, I'm not the one stating something and then > pointing to a document that doesn't come close to stating the sam

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-24 Thread Clayton Macleod
I understand it just fine, I'm not the one stating something and then pointing to a document that doesn't come close to stating the same thing as proof... On 7/24/05, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I think you clearly misunderstand the

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-24 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I think you clearly misunderstand the document I refer to On 7/25/05, Clayton Macleod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > then you clearly misunderstand the document you referred to. > > On 7/24/05, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > > [ Pick

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-24 Thread Clayton Macleod
then you clearly misunderstand the document you referred to. On 7/24/05, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > It is patently clear that *cl_interp* *IS* critical to network > communications, and is used by the server to decide how the in gam

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-24 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You said: > I thought cl_interp only affects that client's view, *and not anything > to do with actual network communication*, no? > It is patently clear that *cl_interp* *IS* critical to network communications, and is used by the server to deci

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-24 Thread Clayton Macleod
again, that won't affect me and my view of the world if you have changed your value. It will change how things behave for your view of the world and your commands sent to the server. It won't affect the communication between me and the server at all. It only makes your view worse, doesn't change an

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-23 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] If I read this correctly http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_Networking cl_interp is a key component to whether you hit something or not according to the server! http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_N

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-23 Thread Clayton Macleod
I thought cl_interp only affects that client's view, and not anything to do with actual network communication, no? Why would it affect anything on my side if you changed cl_interp on your machine? On 7/23/05, James Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree however, the fact that people are tu

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-23 Thread LiQuiDXAN3X
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] cool -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-23 Thread James Tucker
iginal Message > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K2 Sent: > > Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:39 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle > > > > > I've been getting my fair share of cl_cmdra

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Alfred Reynolds
Thanks guys, we will check it out. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:02 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] rate toggle > -- > [ Picked text/plain from mul

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Marco Hombach
As I know, in CS 1.6 clients are not able to set cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate lower than 10. It is forced back to 11 or higher. This restriction must also be included in CS:S and bug is gone. All server settings are not needed to be discussed for this problem. Just my 2 cents, Sir D.

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread James Grimstead
ll work it out :P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Suck. Sent: 21 July 2005 22:46 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle This is the best that I can explain it. I'm sure you're aware of much of this Alfred,

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Suck.
pdaterate, but they don't work, as well as cvars to set max and min rate, although I'm not sure of the efficacy of these. There are no such cvars addressing cl_cmdrate. -Grant. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Thursday, July

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Rick Payton
tes (808) 572-1745 http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Grimstead Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:49 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle Cant do that, people on isdn and 56k w

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread James Grimstead
be done for HL1 too? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rick Payton Sent: 21 July 2005 21:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle Why not just lock the client to match the servers tickrate? Are these variables that

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Rick Payton
http://www.mai-hawaii.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Grimstead Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:53 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle The problem is, people are exploiting the game by setting lower rates. T

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread K2
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Hombach Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 9:12 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle Hi! only a restriction is needed, that clients are not allowed to set their cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate lower than 10 or 20. Like in CS 1.6 Cu,

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD
/2005 8:22 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] rate toggle I get 'em every day with the 5 pings. I use Mani and just toggle cmdrate back to 30. I don't know about stopping people from EVER toggling, doubt you can do that. Since you brought up rates, I have been

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Whisper
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I think there should be 3 minimum settings (rate, cmdrate, updateratre) that are set server side that is enforceable on the client as well as something that makes it not possible for somebody to continously change their rates, i.e. Only when they

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Marco Hombach
Hi! only a restriction is needed, that clients are not allowed to set their cl_updaterate and cl_cmdrate lower than 10 or 20. Like in CS 1.6 Cu, Sir D. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://li

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Whisper
L PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds > Sent: 21 July 2005 19:46 > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle > > > Could I have a synopsis of the problems you are seeing please. > > - Alfred > > Original Message-

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Whisper
ase. > > - Alfred > > Original Message > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K2 Sent: > Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:39 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle > > > I've been getting my fair share of cl_cmdr

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread James Grimstead
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: 21 July 2005 19:46 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle Could I have a synopsis of the problems you are seeing please. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K2 Sent

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Alfred Reynolds
Could I have a synopsis of the problems you are seeing please. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K2 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:39 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] rate toggle > I've been getting

RE: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread K2
d, can Valve lock down or set a min/max range on some of these settings we're discussing here? - K2 http://www.hardfought.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris K Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:22 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftwar

Re: [hlds] rate toggle

2005-07-21 Thread Chris K
I get 'em every day with the 5 pings. I use Mani and just toggle cmdrate back to 30. I don't know about stopping people from EVER toggling, doubt you can do that. Since you brought up rates, I have been wanting to ask. Does "cl_cmdrate 0" on a client really impact server performance? I would love