Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-10-12 Thread GRYZOR
Oh, hai. I know this is a bit late to the party, but I felt it was kind of... interesting. IBM ran some tests regarding this very subject (VMDq) in March and their short (7 pages), but very informational report can be found here: ftp://public.dhe.ibm.com/eserver/benchmarks/wp_virtualization_netwo

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread ics
Perhaps he ment the regular OSX and didn't know about the server version. -ics 24.9.2010 21:57, k kirjoitti: http://www.apple.com/server/ heh, really? On 25/09/2010 4:50 a.m., Ronny Schedel wrote: The dynamic assignment of processor time would allow all the cores to be utilized more effi

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread k
http://www.apple.com/server/ heh, really? On 25/09/2010 4:50 a.m., Ronny Schedel wrote: The dynamic assignment of processor time would allow all the cores to be utilized more efficiently than in a native environment where physical cores are assigned and some cores might be experiencing hea

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Rick Payton
king it perform well. --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of EkaInfinitos Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 7:25 AM To: crazy_canu...@rogers.com; 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list&

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread EkaInfinitos
under Windows. ~Eka -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Crazy Canucks Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1055 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Crazy Canucks
And also, again, unless I'm misunderstanding something there are features of the hardware described in this white paper designed specifically for VMDq which allow it to run more efficiently and with less overhead. Drek On 24/09/2010 1:41 PM, Crazy Canucks wrote: I may be wrong but if I unde

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Ronny Schedel
The dynamic assignment of processor time would allow all the cores to be utilized more efficiently than in a native environment where physical cores are assigned and some cores might be experiencing heavy load while others are idle. MacOS is not designed to run servers. ___

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Luigi
.@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Luigi > Sent: 24 September 2010 17:21 > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers > > Hi all, > > What is the Business Case to run css in a vm. You can have As much Game > serv

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Crazy Canucks
I may be wrong but if I understand VMware and this white paper correctly the advantage is dynamic assignment of processor time (and bandwidth?). So (and this is just an example) a native environment might allow you to assign two server instances per core on a twelve core hardware configurati

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Simon Gunton
September 2010 17:21 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers Hi all, What is the Business Case to run css in a vm. You can have As much Game servers as you wand on a physical maachine without the overhead of VMware. Luigi On 24.09.2010

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Ulrich Block
Only problem is that most times the fps are not as high/stable as without. I do not want to say that it is needed for a good gamplay. But the sad thing is that many people believe they need >=1000fps and 99-100% stable. As long as they believe in that you will have a hard time selling the serve

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Harry Strongburg
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 06:20:58PM +0200, Luigi wrote: > What is the Business Case to run css in a vm. You can have As much > Game servers as you wand on a physical maachine without the overhead > of VMware. The only "advantage" I would see, is that VPSes are cheaper to buy than a physical serv

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Luigi
Hi all, What is the Business Case to run css in a vm. You can have As much Game servers as you wand on a physical maachine without the overhead of VMware. Luigi On 24.09.2010, at 16:54, Hans Vos wrote: > Hi, > > Pretty interesting read. Will have a more in-depth look at it this weekend. >

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Hans Vos
Hi, Pretty interesting read. Will have a more in-depth look at it this weekend. At our parent-company we have some very nice VMware configurations. Worth a try to test it out for ourselves and see what the results are. -- Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards, Hans Vos Managing Directo

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Saint K .
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Shane Arnold Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 4:14 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers I have experienced nothing but horrors when virtualising anything cpu/timing intensive

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Crazy Canucks
Gotta love this link though in "sources" list: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/compare-windows-to-unix.mspx Yes it's true, most professional server operators are running with ten year old Unix kernels and matching software. And this paragraph is just dripping with irony "*Nich

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Shane Arnold
I have experienced nothing but horrors when virtualising anything cpu/timing intensive. But then again that could also be my hosts being somewhat non-standard. I can at least rule out VM Server as an option. I've not tested anything ESX-wise... On 24/09/2010 10:07 PM, Crazy Canucks wrote: I

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-24 Thread Crazy Canucks
I realize that the white paper is an advertisement, but assuming it's an honest advertisement, that's pretty impressive, especially from an environmental perspective... Drek On 23/09/2010 12:35 PM, Saint K. wrote: A while ago we had a few discussions on the subject of running gameservers in

[hlds_linux] VMware and gameservers

2010-09-23 Thread Saint K .
A while ago we had a few discussions on the subject of running gameservers in a VMware environment. Today someone pointed out this article to me about "vmdq" which happened to have a nice businesscase example of ESL trying VMware: http://download.intel.com/support/network/sb/turtlepocwpepi.pdf

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-10 Thread Tristan Payne
iling list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX Very interesting. I'm checking out running srcds_l under esxi right now, and aside from my rcon issue (I don't think it's a VM related problem though), I'm noticing pings (as watched via hlsw) fluctuate from 8-32ms constantly.

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-10 Thread Rick Payton
October 09, 2008 4:17 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX If anyone's interested, here's the results of my make-shift comparison. Yes, the host being benchmarked is Windows, however it shows an apples-to-apples com

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-09 Thread DLinkOZ
elf! I'll make sure to post my gathered experience in here. Cheers, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miano, Steven M. Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:01 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-07 Thread Saint K.
hered experience in here. Cheers, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miano, Steven M. Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:01 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX -Original Message-

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-07 Thread Saint K.
hered experience in here. Cheers, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miano, Steven M. Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:01 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX -Original Message-

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-07 Thread Miano, Steven M.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin Silcock Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:38 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX As I understand it, VMWare ESX is quite different to t

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-03 Thread Colin Silcock
Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX we tried running game servers in vmware and it was terrible. you should use a kernel level virtualizer (maybe like virtuozzo), not a whole machine virtualizer. Dean Saint K. wrote: > Hi, > > Is there anyone who has experienc

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-03 Thread Dean Hamstead
we tried running game servers in vmware and it was terrible. you should use a kernel level virtualizer (maybe like virtuozzo), not a whole machine virtualizer. Dean Saint K. wrote: > Hi, > > Is there anyone who has experience with running gameservers on an OS which > is installed on top of a V

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-03 Thread Oliver Salzburg
Saint K. wrote: > Hi, > > Is there anyone who has experience with running gameservers on an OS which > is installed on top of a VMware ESX install? > > If so, could you tell something about the performance (loss?) etc. > > We're thinking of installing VMware ESX on a new machine so we can run > win

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-03 Thread Keeper
Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated -> Linux server mailing list' -> Subject: [hlds_linux] VMware ESX -> -> Hi, -> -> Is there anyone who has experience with running gameservers on an OS which -> is installed on top of a

[hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-03 Thread Saint K.
Hi, Is there anyone who has experience with running gameservers on an OS which is installed on top of a VMware ESX install? If so, could you tell something about the performance (loss?) etc. We're thinking of installing VMware ESX on a new machine so we can run win2k3 and Debian etch side by sid

[hlds_linux] VMware ESX

2008-10-03 Thread Saint K.
Hi, Is there anyone who has experience with running gameservers on an OS which is installed on top of a VMware ESX install? If so, could you tell something about the performance (loss?) etc. We're thinking of installing VMware ESX on a new machine so we can run win2k3 and Debian etch side by sid

RE: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-22 Thread Scott Pettit
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Pettit Sent: 22 September 2007 08:30 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] VMware Well after switching the guest to a 1000HZ kernel performance was great and there didn't appear to be any perfor

RE: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-21 Thread Scott Pettit
t Sent: 22 September 2007 03:48 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware >From my experience, ESX/VMWare gives you better performance for this sort of thing than Virtuozzo. Anyone try KVM yet? ___ To unsubscribe, edit yo

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-21 Thread Patrick Scott
On 21 Sep 2007, at 08:05 AM, Tom Leighton wrote: Yeah, i know ;) hence the link in my email. Most people will associate VPS with Software such as OpenVZ and Virtuozzo, so i use it in their place unless i need to otherwise. From my experience, ESX/VMWare gives you better performance for this

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-21 Thread Tom Leighton
t another word for a 'virtualized instance', be it Xen, OpenVZ, or VMware. ~Miz - Original Message - From: "Tom Leighton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "hlds linux" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:43:21 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [hlds_lin

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-21 Thread Miz
ds linux" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:43:21 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VMware I would be more inclined to run servers in a "VPS" if you want them fully separated... It will use a lot less resources than VMWare... http://www.openvz.org

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-21 Thread Tom Leighton
I would be more inclined to run servers in a "VPS" if you want them fully separated... It will use a lot less resources than VMWare... http://www.openvz.org Scott Pettit wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello all, Been

RE: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-21 Thread Martin Nicholls
06:51 > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [hlds_linux] VMware > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Hello all, > > > > Been a while since my last posting here... > > > > Has anyone e

Re: [hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-20 Thread Deacon - Digital Gaming eXtreme
I got my install complete about 25 minutes before they released the linux server... :( I used vmserver and saw okay performance, but the free vmserver doesn't handle memory or CPU usage as nice as ESX. -D Scott Pettit wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain

[hlds_linux] VMware

2007-09-20 Thread Scott Pettit
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello all, Been a while since my last posting here... Has anyone experimented with running SRCDS in a VMware guest? I'm curious as to how you find the performance. In some brief testing this aft