Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2022-06-10 Thread Daniel Migault
; *From:* Daniel Migault [mailto:mglt.i...@gmail.com ] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 2, 2022, 6:36 AM > *To:* Eric Vyncke (evyncke) > *Cc:* Eric Vyncke (evyncke); homenet@ietf.org; kiran.i...@gmail.com; > Michael Richardson; Stephen Farrell > *Subject:* [homenet] naming drafts > > W

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2022-06-09 Thread Kiran M
; Stephen Farrell *Subject:* [homenet] naming drafts We are working on it with Kiran, I actually started yesterday to consider her latest feedback (2nd round) - not yet being pushed, but that should happen very soon. Yours, Daniel On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 7:30 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2022-06-02 Thread Michael Richardson
Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > As we are halfway between IETF-113 and IETF-114, it is time to make a > check as I have seen no revised version for those 2 ‘naming’ drafts. Yes... I think that *I* said that I wouldn't have time. > You may also have noticed that Ted’s ‘stub

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2022-06-02 Thread Daniel Migault
gt; (evyncke)" > *Date: *Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 09:16 > *To: *"homenet@ietf.org" > *Cc: *"kiran.i...@gmail.com" , Michael Richardson < > mcr+i...@sandelman.ca>, Daniel Migault , Stephen > Farrell > *Subject: *Re: [homenet] naming drafts > &g

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2022-06-02 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
:16 To: "homenet@ietf.org" Cc: "kiran.i...@gmail.com" , Michael Richardson , Daniel Migault , Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [homenet] naming drafts Dear Homenet, After 9 months, it is time to resurrect this email thread and move forward with the 'naming drafts', which are

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2022-04-14 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
stub networking" From: homenet on behalf of Daniel Migault Date: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 at 23:28 To: Chris Box Cc: "homenet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [homenet] naming drafts Hi, Thanks for the follow up Chris. I apologize for the delay. Yours, Daniel On Tue, Jun

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-07-13 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi, Thanks for the follow up Chris. I apologize for the delay. Yours, Daniel On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 12:31 PM Chris Box wrote: > Daniel, > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 01:27, Daniel Migault wrote: > >> >>> The HNA SHOULD drop any packets arriving on the WAN interface that are not issued

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-22 Thread Chris Box
Daniel, On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 01:27, Daniel Migault wrote: > >> The HNA SHOULD drop any packets arriving on the WAN interface that are >>> not issued from the DM. >>> >>> >>> Depending how the communications between the HNA and the DM are >>> secured, only packets associated to that protocol

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-15 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Chris, Thanks for the follow-up. Please find more details and specific responses to your questions and comments below. I also just pushed the changes you recommended for the DHCP options. Thanks! Yours, Daniel On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 1:10 PM Chris Box wrote: > Hi Daniel. Responses inline

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-15 Thread Chris Box
Hi Daniel. Responses inline below. On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 02:58, Daniel Migault wrote: > >> > """ > Limited exchanges: > : the purpose of the Hidden Primary Server is to synchronize with the DM, > not to serve any zones to end users, or the public Internet. > This results in a limited

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-14 Thread Daniel Migault
Thank you very much Chris for the review. That was very useful. I have updated the two documents according to your reviews. The resulting architecture document is available here [1] and the resulting DHCP document is available here [2]. You can also find a more detailed response inline. Thanks

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-10 Thread Chris Box
Hi everyone I have belatedly reviewed both drafts. I missed the WGLC due to both $dayjob and the IETF having a plethora of interesting working groups. But still, I hope this feedback is useful In general, I appreciate the aim of the drafts which I will paraphrase as creating a way to

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Michael Richardson
sf> Sure, and as I said I'm not opposed to that. I suspect the sf> best thing is for the authors to chat with our AD and see sf> if he's either willing to AD-sponsor it, or to ask another sf> WG to adopt, or try find a dispatch-like process to see if sf> enough interest/review

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Stephen, I am just replying to clarify I am not complaining about you personally or even your review. If further discussions are needed I am happy to set a call at any time as email does not seem to me the most constructive path. Yours, Daniel On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 10:10 AM Stephen Farrell

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Michael Richardson
Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > Michael, it would probably take you 20 minutes to write up an I-D > describing a reasonable REST-based DDNS protocol, another 5 minutes to > write a client implementation in Javascript, and one hour to write > a robust server that is well integrated

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 08/06/2021 14:55, Daniel Migault wrote: I disagree that discussing whether the proposal will take over DDNS is a side discussion that unfortunately happens at a bad time. Sorry, I don't get what you mean. If I interpret the WGLC report, it is clearly noted as a lack of support.

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Daniel Migault
I disagree that discussing whether the proposal will take over DDNS is a side discussion that unfortunately happens at a bad time. If I interpret the WGLC report, it is clearly noted as a lack of support. Predictions are not a technical discussion and can be very wrong ( "we will never make a 32

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/homenet/7JmkTCBSSMs5nnH3VWPj6JAL0cA/ > I didn't find any clear definition of how DDNS works in that email. [...] > What's the Performance Specification that describes this process? Yes, > I know where the vendor specific documentation is. As far as I'm

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 08/06/2021 10:29, Ray Hunter (v6ops) wrote: Just trying to understand this hurdle/ line of reasoning. So in addition to achieving "rough consensus", the IETF standardization process must also produce drafts that are very likely to gain traction to displace non-IETF

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-08 Thread Ray Hunter (v6ops)
Stephen Farrell wrote on 07/06/2021 21:32: Hi Michael, On 05/06/2021 19:46, Michael Richardson wrote: Well, I'd be happy to discuss with this them again, but they'd have to actually tell us what "DDNS" really is for them. Just to clarify: I don't think/claim DDNS is "better" than the

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-07 Thread Michael Richardson
Stephen Farrell wrote: > On 05/06/2021 19:46, Michael Richardson wrote: >> Well, I'd be happy to discuss with this them again, but they'd have to >> actually tell us what "DDNS" really is for them. > Just to clarify: I don't think/claim DDNS is "better" than > the proposal

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-07 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Michael, On 05/06/2021 19:46, Michael Richardson wrote: Well, I'd be happy to discuss with this them again, but they'd have to actually tell us what "DDNS" really is for them. Just to clarify: I don't think/claim DDNS is "better" than the proposal here, rather I don't find the arguments

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-07 Thread Michael Richardson
Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >>> Stephen and Juliusz expressed that they're still not convinced that >>> DDNS isn't a good enough solution for the use case. >> Well, I'd be happy to discuss with this them again, but they'd have to >> actually tell us what "DDNS" really is for them.

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-05 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Hi Michael, >> Stephen and Juliusz expressed that they're still not convinced that >> DDNS isn't a good enough solution for the use case. > Well, I'd be happy to discuss with this them again, but they'd have to > actually tell us what "DDNS" really is for them.

Re: [homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-05 Thread Michael Richardson
STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > Stephen and Juliusz expressed that they're still not convinced that > DDNS isn't a good enough solution for the use case. Well, I'd be happy to discuss with this them again, but they'd have to actually tell us what "DDNS" really is for them. What specific

[homenet] naming drafts

2021-06-04 Thread STARK, BARBARA H
Hi homenet WG, Stephen and I have been chatting about the status of the 2 naming drafts (draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation and draft-ietf-homenet-naming-architecture-dhc-options). We started a 3-week WGLC about a month ago (04 May). Both drafts received comprehensive review from

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-12 Thread Daniel Migault
Sounds good to me. Anyone objecting DIstribution Manager ? If not I will consider this terminology. Yours, Daniel On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:11 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > Daniel Migault wrote: > > "Distribution Primary" is probably my preferred alternative as the > > replacement

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-12 Thread Michael Richardson
Daniel Migault wrote: > "Distribution Primary" is probably my preferred alternative as the > replacement of Master by Primary makes a smooth transition from what is > currently used. If that is fine with everyone I will update the > document with it as well as the DHCP option

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-12 Thread Daniel Migault
"Distribution Primary" is probably my preferred alternative as the replacement of Master by Primary makes a smooth transition from what is currently used. If that is fine with everyone I will update the document with it as well as the DHCP option draft. If not feel free to provide a better

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 6. May 2021, at 00:06, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > Ole Troan wrote: >> Is this the same as a hidden primary name server? > > That's Stealth Primary. > The DM is not a stealth primary, because it's not primary. > It hasn't got the DNSSEC signing keys, for instance. Distribution hub

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread Michael Richardson
Ole Troan wrote: > Is this the same as a hidden primary name server? That's Stealth Primary. The DM is not a stealth primary, because it's not primary. It hasn't got the DNSSEC signing keys, for instance. >> On 5 May 2021, at 21:09, Michael Richardson >> wrote: >> >>  Ted

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread Ted Lemon
Or “Distribution Primary?” I think given this chart that “Distribution Authority” is less clear, since the real authority is the stealth primary. > On May 5, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > Ted Lemon wrote: >> On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson >> wrote: >>>

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread Ole Troan
Is this the same as a hidden primary name server? Cheers Ole > On 5 May 2021, at 21:09, Michael Richardson wrote: > >  > Ted Lemon wrote: >>> On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson >>> wrote: >>> 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to >>> invent another

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread Michael Richardson
Ted Lemon wrote: > On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson > wrote: >> 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to >> invent another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another >> term, then I'd go with it. > Authority database? I

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread Ted Lemon
On May 5, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > 3) We would be happy to go with another term, but we don't want to invent > another term. So, if the DNS anycast operator has another term, then > I'd go with it. Authority database? RFC 8499 appears to have deprecated the term

Re: [homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread Michael Richardson
STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > I'm hoping not to start divisive discussion, but think it's better to > discuss inside the WG rather than wait until IETF LC. > Might the authors consider whether a word other than "Master" could be > used in the terms Distribution Master, Reverse

[homenet] homenet naming drafts "terminology"

2021-05-05 Thread STARK, BARBARA H
I'm hoping not to start divisive discussion, but think it's better to discuss inside the WG rather than wait until IETF LC. Might the authors consider whether a word other than "Master" could be used in the terms Distribution Master, Reverse Distribution Master, Distribution/Distributed Master