It's not incorrect finger position on my part. My fingers are always curved,
on the spatulas at all times. I've played on many linkage horns and I cannot
stand the feel of them. Again it's that unequal torque from 70% effeciency to
100% back down to 70%. Why work harder than you have to?
With
Not on Bruckner 4 just yet but I have had many trecherous soli in the middle
of orchestra settings even sitting on first chair. Yes, not all solos are on
first horn either.
Full solo's are even worse. I'm soloing the Rosetti 5 concerto in E mind you
(all of it) in two months with full orchestra
I just bought some Ferree's Brite Dip. I haven't tried it on a horn yet,
and I would be interested in hearing the experiences and caveats of
anyone who has personally used this product to clean a horn.
Carl Bangs
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Very good point. You can also give a Porshe to a Chimpanzee but that doesn't
mean he'll make a qualifying lap at Nurburgring.
-William
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> But anyway, interesting equation. Does the average customer underst
Have you ever played Bruckner no.4 on first chair ? Your concentration
is anywhere else than on your "strings", specially if you are a very
young player without the later acquired concert routine (no matter,
having the set of strings ready in the horn case, the screwdriver, etc.
You will sweat blo
When do mini-balls break ??? Normal (average) use, NEVER. I have
mini-balls even on my oldest Ganter horn in use. No wear, no
maintenance, never had any problem. Valve action super smooth & super
fast & light. The horn is in use since 1978.
Yeah, yeah, I know why problems come up:
Fingers stretch
The point is that if one wants to get as technical as most horn professionals
do with regards to alloys and such you might as well get technical with
torque. I mean with most horn manufacturers touting their horn weights in grams or
their tolerances you might as well as get technical as possible
Clayton Whetmore, here:
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Mike muttered:
Professor Pizka,
By the time i read the digest which was around 10pm on a school day, I
couldnt simply go into the bathroom and start wahing it out for an hour.
Thats why i did it yesterday evening.
Mike
Now, Mike, I a
Alan Cole portered:
OK, who do you suppose actually manufactured this old Alexander 103 clone
that's on eBay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2578549659&category=359
Paxperson? Boosey? Gebr. Alexander? Somebody else?
Can't help wondering.
Now, this cannot be a Boosey b
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> > Schmid doesn't need marketing. That's solid physics for you
Hans Haled:
Did ever break a string just ten minutes before Bruckner no.4 ? If this
happen to you once, you would never trust any string action.
Now, I never made the breakings of strings just ten minutes before anything
since for many, many, years now, ever since I gave up playing with balls, I
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> Schmid doesn't need marketing. That's solid physics for you and I can
prove
> it. Now a mechani
Mike muttered:
Professor Pizka,
By the time i read the digest which was around 10pm on a school day, I
couldnt simply go into the bathroom and start wahing it out for an hour.
Thats why i did it yesterday evening.
Mike
Now, Mike, I am having to make all of the tellings that the goo
Come to think of it I have a 100yd. spool of 80lb test strength spectrum
fishing line. It is way too thin though but doubling up might do the trick as
well... You know my only beef with the stuff is you need a really sharp knife to
cut it.
-William
In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:00:04 PM Pacif
Life is not worth living until you've heard Kopprasch No. 1 on Wagner Tuba.
-William
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Fascinating... I'd love to test that out. Right now I just use a spool of
dacron (I have a good 100 meters left). So far I could replace the strings every
week and have enough for two years. I wouldn't mind trying a spool of
Polypropelene but so far my Dacron spool has about 40 years of string
Now, I am having the mostest of confusings as to this fight about strings vs.
balls because I have played many musics in many venues and I have never heard
a string section with balls, in my mostest humblestest of opinions, and this
is also true about horn and valve linkagistics and the physical
I got quite excited when I saw this instrument on ebay; it's very very similar to one
that was literally found in an old house and given to me a couple of years ago. Mine
is engraved with: 'Gerhard Schneider Master Model; sponsored by B & H' and I am
thoroughly enjoying playing it. I have scoure
In a message dated 12/6/2003 6:17:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Valkhorn writes:
> Oh yes, and if you always have a prepared section of string and a small
> screwdriver in your case (I do all the time) you can fix
> the problem in a few
> seconds
I'm experimenting with spectrum fishing line. S
In a message dated 12/6/2003 6:17:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Valkhorn writes:
> Oh yes, and if you always have a prepared section of string and a small
> screwdriver in your case (I do all the time) you can fix
> the problem in a few
> seconds
I'm experimenting with spectrum fishing line. S
y=mx+b is about as much as I remember from math.
But here is what I remember from reality:
Last summer a sax friend and I took about a 5 hour trip to the Woodwind and
Brasswind factory so he could buy a mouthpiece and I could play some horns. I
spent about an hour each on a gold and a yellow bra
Dear hornlisters,
Please don't degrade and demean yourselves. It is very unbecoming of you who
practice the gift called music. True music does not condescend to you, it builds you
and the receipient up.
The best of the very best to all,
Giovanni :->
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It's allright. Remote controls are one area where I'm getting to be the
dunce...
-William
In a message dated 12/6/2003 6:01:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Physics is only 1 of the many realms in which I am a semi-dunce.
>
> Reading between the lines is another.
>
>
Physics is only 1 of the many realms in which I am a semi-dunce.
Reading between the lines is another.
-AC.
~~~
String and mechanical linkages are the two main categories. Alan, you
should have read between the lines there that I meat all mechanical
linkages, not just m
In a message dated 12/6/2003 5:07:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> What about those all-mechanical (i.e., non-string) linkages that don't use
> miniballs, just various other kinds of pivots &hinges?
They're the same category - mechanicial linkages. My formula of torque
Mr. Cole,
I wished to share with the noble world-wide guild of hornplayers that when care and
love are exerted in all aspects of the horn, from maintenance to performance, nobody
needs to feel that they have been short-changed.
All the best,
Giovanni :->
What about those all-mechanical (i.e., non-string) linkages that don't use
miniballs, just various other kinds of pivots & hinges?
And what about those semi-articulated string mechanisms that feature a
hinge at the 90-degree elbow of the lever?
Those old clockspring valve-lever mechanisms are s
Tom and William,
You are both right in your experiences. Rejoice in each others journey on the
wonderful path that is music. We listreaders gain much from your insights and look
forward to more lively and spirited banter. Some like "strings", others like
"miniballs". I personally like both.
Thanks. I suppose it's the mathematical way of things for us to be too picky
:)
It's quite cold here but nowhere near what you're dealing with. Plus, we
hardly ever get snow. Happy holidays to you too :)
-William
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William,
I appreciate your fine technical knowledge of the subject. I learned
something and I thank you. To tell you the truth, though, I don't really
think that Tom was attacking you. I know that the printed word can
sometimes be very subjectively perceived. It is always dangerous to
generalize
Oh yes and another interesting note is that you could add Hook's law to
spring motion but that is a non-polynomial function. Oil viscosity and friction is
also a variable but it does not change when a valve is moving.
So in reality no matter how you slice it the most efficient way is string. If
If that's the only way you have to debunk my argument, then I win :)
Thank you. Drive through...
-William
In a message dated 12/6/2003 3:26:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> You need to get out more.
>
> All the best,
> Tom
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On 6 Dec 2003, at 11:14 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Schmid doesn't need marketing. That's solid physics for you and I can
prove
it. Now a mechanical linkage or string produces torque on the valve.
Torque is
the following equation:
You need to get out more.
All the best,
Tom
--
My ol' grandaddy
In a message dated 12/6/2003 3:15:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> T = F * r * sin (theta)
>
> Where:
>
> T = Torque
> F = Force
> D = Radius of where torque is being applied to
> theta = angle between force and the angle of radial line
should be
T = F * r * sin (theta
Oh yes, and if you always have a prepared section of string and a small
screwdriver in your case (I do all the time) you can fix the problem in a few
seconds.
-William
In a message dated 12/6/2003 2:31:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Did ever break a string just ten m
My strings have never broken before in my life. If you take care to maintain
your strings and watch them AND replace them as needed they will never break.
-William
In a message dated 12/6/2003 2:31:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Did ever break a string just ten minute
Schmid doesn't need marketing. That's solid physics for you and I can prove
it. Now a mechanical linkage or string produces torque on the valve. Torque is
the following equation:
T = F * r * sin (theta)
Where:
T = Torque
F = Force
D = Radius of where torque is being applied to
theta = angle be
I think remembering, that they got some horns made in former East
Germany but labelled Boosey & Hawkes. The engineer was a certain
Mr.Schneider then. The Alexander patent had expired anyway.
=
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OK, who do you suppose actually manufactured this old Alexander 103 clone
that's on eBay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2578549659&category=359
Paxperson? Boosey? Gebr. Alexander? Somebody else?
Can't help wondering.
-- Alan Cole, rank amateur
McLean (Fairfax Coun
Did ever break a string just ten minutes before Bruckner no.4 ? If this
happen to you once, you would never trust any string action.
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In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:31:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Titanium valves have the advantage not being very sensitive to change of
> temperatures. They are very light, near to aluminium, don't oxide , do
> (nearly) never stick. And if the stick, you just turn them
On 6 Dec 2003, at 7:40 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't quite follow how mechanically it could be. When strings are
used the
force is always in the same direction. For mini-balls how could the
force be
as equally dispersed?
Schmid has a great article on this:
Yeah, I've read it. The memory
I don't quite follow how mechanically it could be. When strings are used the
force is always in the same direction. For mini-balls how could the force be
as equally dispersed?
Schmid has a great article on this:
http://www.corno.de/schmid/deu-eng/mechanik.htm";>http://www.corno.de/schmid/deu-en
Professor Pizka,
By the time i read the digest which was around 10pm on a school day, I
couldnt simply go into the bathroom and start wahing it out for an hour.
Thats why i did it yesterday evening.
Mike
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I might but I don't think I will ever buy one unless a Schmid bell ring was
installed :)
-William
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> What theory? Be empirical. Try a Finke and find out.
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Hi,
I have two ... don't know which is current.
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On 6 Dec 2003, at 3:02 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting. However the mechanical linkages... to me they would
appear to
slow down the valve no matter what the valve was made of...
Experience says no. Absolutely not. Modern mini-ball linkage is fast,
silent and very direct. I hope I never
Ach, milde himmel Hr. Pizka, I was just trying a little humor. I guess I'll have to
return to transcribing and performing Rachmaninoff's songs for horn and piano instead
of cracking jokes-woe is me!!! But thanks for calling my attention to the "Long and
Short Calls" of Siegfried.
Giovanni :->
MapPoint showed 1 Windpassing in Upper Austria (at junction of Danube and
Enns, across the Danube from Mauthausen) and 3 in Lower Austria.
Mapquest.com shows 2 in Lower Austria:
http://tinyurl.com/y0hs
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does anyone know Mr. Pope's current email address? thanks Robert
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>From the AD:
I was just informed in a report by Dan Rather of CBS news of an international eBay
scam involving counterfeit cashier's cheques. As a consequence, I will now only accept
a bank wire as payment. However, I will reimburse the purchaser for up to $25 for the
cost of the wire. Good Luc
Actually, 400,000 series Conn 28d's were not all brass. most of them were
made with almost all brass, however the Bb valve cap and the mouthpipe were made
of nickle.
Paul Navarro
Custom Horn
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In a message dated 12/6/2003 9:34:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Is it the lighting or are the valve slides made of brass instead of
> nickel? If so this is a very unique 28D.
400,000 series 28D's were all brass.
Dave Weiner
Brass Arts Unlimited
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It is "Rheinfahrt" not "Rhinefart". If you see the original title as is
"Rheinfahrt", it comes from "fahren" not "furzen". "Das Schiff (Nachen)
faehrt auf dem Rhein".
In English, the title is translated to "Rhine Journey", again no "fart"
implemented.
But visit my www.pizka.de/LongCall1.htm scrol
It is "Rheinfahrt" not "Rhinefart". If you see the original title as is
"Rheinfahrt", it comes from "fahren" not "furzen". "Das Schiff (Nachen)
faehrt auf dem Rhein".
In English, the title is translated to "Rhine Journey", again no "fart"
implemented.
But visit my www.pizka.de/LongCall1.htm scrol
Is it the lighting or are the valve slides made of brass instead of
nickel? If so this is a very unique 28D.
Bob Marlatt
Boston MA
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Hello:
For financial reasons it has become necessary for me to part with my belove
You said some interesting, but have you ever got a program made for a
CNC ? Do you know how much these programmers charge for a simple program
(as you said) to make rotors ? It seems to be simple, just a cylinder
with a mini taper of 1 %, plus the two axles at top & bottom, perhaps
taper too for 1%
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Pizka
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:01 AM
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone
Misspelled. It is Wimpassing not Windpassing.
But there is also Windhaag twice; but B
In a message dated 12/5/2003 5:00:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Valkhorn writes:
>
> I never thought of this before, and I'm sure it's very expensive, but if you
> took one of your valves to a decent machining shop I'm sure they could copy it
> into any material you wanted. And, if you provided
Hallo Prof. Pizka,
Is furz related to Siegfried's Rhinefart? Poor fellow-passing alot of gas but,
then again, gaseous humor might have been something Herr Wagner excelled at. Wagner is
and remains IMHO a master orchestrator and conceiver of noble and solemn melodies.
Giovanni :->
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