Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Rob Scott
Seymour, Earlier in this thread you criticized the practice of using "address env buffer" each time as being inefficient. I have been told by IBM in the past that it makes no difference either way and Mark Z has stated that in the tests he performed it actually performed better. Normally IBM ar

IPCS Batch on "ACTIVE" ?

2006-01-18 Thread Cwi Jeret
Hello, U want to submit an IPCS Batch Job on the TSO "ACTIVE" storage rather than on a DUMP DataSet, like I do on the "Source" entry on the IPCS Defaults panel of the Online Dialog . How do I have to change my following JOB ? //IPCS EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,REGION=4M //IPCSDDIR DD DSN=User.IPCSDDIR,D

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I regard the impact on readability and maintainability as more important than the performance impact DITTO! -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send e

Re: Does DDNAME?? override SUBSYS??

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" said: > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:36:10 -0500 > > >And, if you believe that, you'd be astonished (but I know such things > >rarely astonish you) at the arcana IBM support spouted at me several > >years ago when I presented a case in which DDNA

Re: IPCS question

2006-01-18 Thread Barbara Nitz
Hi Bob, >Your reliance on RSMDATA presumes that RSM data areas will be available in >a dump. This has been true historically, but the practice has been getting >scrutiny as customers have been able to run with ever larger amounts of >main storage. Well, on our systems I have made sure that all t

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Timothy Sipples
It's worth pointing out that so-called "clear key" encryption is what every other standard server does with the keys. Except on a mainframe you have key-protected memory (and accelerators), so it's a lot harder for another task to grab that key. I'd prefer a different term for "clear key" on

Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
This is the sort of question that can only (I hope) arise in a development and test environment, not in production. Suppose I build a PTF and APPLY it. I have second thoughts, and rebuild it with a considerably different set of elements from the original; RECEIVE; and APPLY REDO. Is the result t

Re: z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread Miran Cotic
You should buy the OSA Express2 or OSA Express 1000BASE-T Ethernet card. The OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller (OSA-ICC) support is a no-charge function included on z9-109, 7990 and z890 servers. Miran Cotic -- For IBM-MAI

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Russell Witt
In a recent note, gil asked: >So, how does the remote disaster recovery site decrypt the data when the >main site is crashed? There are process's with ICSF to backup the CKDS and then at a new site to "register" the new crypto-coprocessor. However, this process involves creating a very long "pass

Re: How SMFDUMP works?

2006-01-18 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 17:17 -0600 on 01/18/2006, Ed Gould wrote about Re: How SMFDUMP works?: On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Bruce Hewson wrote: Hello Victor, Have you checked your SMF TYPE 19 collection as per Shane and Sam's posts? Check out Info APAR: APAR Identifier .. II02887 Last Changed .

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Russell Witt said: > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:33:33 -0600 > > Cypto-coprocessors and are running with z/OS you can encrypt with DES (or > Triple-DES) in none-clear key. This means that the encryption key itself is > "registered" with ICSF and you are returned a token na

Re: Decoding IEANUC01 modules

2006-01-18 Thread Jay Maynard
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:32:16PM -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 >at 11:12 AM, Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >I'm trying to find and zap a constant in IEANUC01(IEAANIP0) on > >OS/360. To do so, I need to understand how scatter format mo

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Russell Witt
As others have indicated "Clear Key Encryption" means that the key used for the encryption itself is in the "clear"; while none-clear key means that the key is not in the clear. For example, if you have the full Cypto-coprocessors and are running with z/OS you can encrypt with DES (or Triple-DES) i

zSeries: Big Plans Ahead?

2006-01-18 Thread Phil Payne
>From the article: "It's possible, Martin says. "COBOL applications typically are seen in terms of data-serving types of workloads and back-end types of processing, so if we looked at it, we wouldn't necessarily look at COBOL per se, but we would look at in terms of database connectivity and su

Re: Decoding IEANUC01 modules

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 11:12 AM, Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I'm trying to find and zap a constant in IEANUC01(IEAANIP0) on >OS/360. To do so, I need to understand how scatter format modules are >laid out on disk. Why? You should be able to use IMASPZAP. >Anyone k

Fwd: zSeries: Big Plans Ahead?

2006-01-18 Thread Ed Gould
Group: I sent an URL to the list (see below). After that several members said they could not get there from the URL. I just checked the URL and it worked for me. I appologize for any inconvenience. Ed -Original Message- From: Ed Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tues

Re: Does DDNAME?? override SUBSYS??

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 02:00 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >And, if you believe that, you'd be astonished (but I know such things >rarely astonish you) at the arcana IBM support spouted at me several >years ago when I presented a case in which DDNAME=x appeared

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 11:54 AM, "Edward E. Jaffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Just out of curiosity, is there a performance impact either way? There is a minor performance cost to putting the unnecessary ADDRESS ISREDIT statement in front of the ADDRESS ISREDIT cmd statements

Re: TN3270 Question

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 02:55 PM, "Patrick O'Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Your posting prompted me to dig into the Tn3270E RFCs (1647 & 2355) a >bit. I don't see any updates to SysReq in 2355. RFC 1647 states that >the behavior of the server to a SysReq depends on whether

Re: z/OS on the ISERIES

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 01/18/2006 at 02:10 PM, Ray Mullins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >And that effect was??? To change the zones used to indicate positive, negative and unsigned and to change the controls for ED/EDMK. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: ADR793E - VTOC and VVDS do not match?

2006-01-18 Thread Kittendorf, Craig
I ran a LISTCAT ALL for the dataset and the SMS DATA was missing. I did CONVERTV SMS DYNAM(USMS01) REDETERMINE and now it can be dumped. Thanks for all the replies, Craig -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Stitt Sent:

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 04:02 PM, Rob Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Please can you point me to some documentation that says that this is >inefficient? That's not the sort of question that belongs in the documentation, but it should be clear to you that an extraneous stateme

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Barry Schwarz
You can allocate the appropriate DD names and call IEHLIST. Then you can parse the member names Marco Gianfranco Indaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Brendan, thanks for your reply but: neither LISTDS or OUTTRAP are internal function of Rexx(or MVS). LISTDS is a tso command OUTTRAP is an exter

Re: How SMFDUMP works?

2006-01-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>1926 ???!!! even MVS is not that old. But, some of the SYSPROGs are! -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the messa

Re: How SMFDUMP works?

2006-01-18 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Bruce Hewson wrote: Hello Victor, Have you checked your SMF TYPE 19 collection as per Shane and Sam's posts? Check out Info APAR: APAR Identifier .. II02887 Last Changed 02/08/26 SMF SWITCH COMMAND DOES NOT COMPLETE IN A TIMELY MANNER OR

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
Thanks to all. Mr Gilmartin, really thanks for your suggest of BPXWDYN. It's really powerful and what I was looking for. Many thanks. 2006/1/18, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 > at 10:27 AM, Marco Gianfranco Indaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sai

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread Don Deese
zAAP was supported beginning with z/OS V1R6. You are absolutely correct that there is no difference at all between the engines; they are simply Processor Units (PUs) that are defined as Central Processors or Special Processors. You are slightly out of sync with the comment that an engine is d

Re: z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Laine, Rogers wrote: We are running a 2066-002 processor. The ICC option is a cost item from IBM? Where can I get more information on this? ICC is not available on 2066. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:42:02 -0600, Ward, Mike S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Sorry, I guess I meant secure key. > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Víctor de la Fuente >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:43 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@BAM

Re: z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread Laine, Rogers
We are running a 2066-002 processor. The ICC option is a cost item from IBM? Where can I get more information on this? Rogers -Original Message- From: Kittendorf, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS IPL Con

Re: z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread Hal Merritt
You have a couple of options. If all you need is NIP support, then simply delete the master console entries from your IODF and use the HMC console interface. That works great. Really, really great for remotely controlling a DR machine. For outboard hardware, there is the IBM 2074 and the comparab

Re: z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread Natarajan Mohan
Cisco router would not help. Since those are SNA devices and NIP requires NON-SNA. You could use "Operating System Messages" on HMC and then use SNA MCS consoles. If you are on newer hardware with OSA, ICC is the easiest way to go. Nat >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/18/2006 2:21 PM >>> You didn't menti

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:16:52 -0500, Rob Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ed Jaffe wrote : >> Just out of curiosity, is there a performance impact either way? > >I was told that there was no difference when I attended my "REXX for >Dummies" course way back when we still used 3420s.. > >Rob Scott >

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
McKown, John wrote: Depends on what you mean by a "real" difference. z/OS uses at least one instruction which is not implemented on an IFL as it is on a GP processor. That's why you will get a "check stop" condition if you IPL z/OS in an LPAR which is defined as using an IFL. The instruction se

Operator Training Scenarios

2006-01-18 Thread Craig Bakken
We would like to develop some scenarios to help train our operations staff in situations were the operators need to diagnose a problem and take such actions as taking a standalone dump, partitioning an ill system out of a sysplex or identifying a task causing a problem (ie looping or holding a l

Re: z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laine, Rogers > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:48 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: z/OS IPL Consoles > > > We are currently running z/OS 1.4 with two LPARS that are > using 3

Re: SMTP security

2006-01-18 Thread Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
You might want to post you question to the IBMTCP-L mailing list. -- For IBMTCP-L subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO IBMTCP-L - Original Message F

Re: What starts Netview?

2006-01-18 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 18 Jan 2006 13:34:13 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Mason) wrote: >I'm obliged to do some fancy copy and paste here. Is there a technique for >replying to a non-e-mail post with an e-mail? That may depend on your news reader. I'm using Forte Agent; *all* of my posts are e-mail responses to th

Re: How SMFDUMP works?

2006-01-18 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
Are you using any SMF exits such as IEFU29? Don Imbriale >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >Of Víctor de la Fuente >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:39 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: How SMFDUMP works? > >Hi! >I rea

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Walt Farrell
On 1/18/2006 3:48 PM, Ward, Mike S wrote: Hello all. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me what Clear Key Encryption VS None clear Encryption is. I looked in the archives, but only found a reference that clear key could run on the T-REX. I thought that clear key encryption was purely SSL

FYI: S0C4 at CLOSE SVC [was:RE: Does DDNAME=? override SUBSYS=?]

2006-01-18 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Solution to S0C4 at CLOSE SVC found: Always code STRNO=(# I/O subtasks)+1 in your JCL and you'll avoid the problem. Dynamically acquired strings (default is STRNO=2) get freed at subtask termination, leading to S0C4 at CLOSE. Thanks to all for help on SUBSYS override. Peter -Original Messag

Re: z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread Kittendorf, Craig
You didn't mention your processor. But offhand I can think of: 1) Integrated Console Controller (ICC) with OSA Express 2) IBM 2074 3) Visara SCON and ICON products Number 1 can replace 2 and 3 if you have the hardware. I'm not sure if a Cisco router with CIPs and running TN3270 server will wor

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread Craddock, Chris
| > Depends on what you mean by a "real" difference. z/OS uses at least one > instruction which is not implemented on an IFL as it is on a GP > processor. That's why you will get a "check stop" condition if you IPL > z/OS in an LPAR which is defined as using an IFL. > But

Re: z/OS on the ISERIES

2006-01-18 Thread Ray Mullins
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > Sent: Tuesday January 17 2006 13:06 > > In > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > on 01/16/2006 >at 12:55 PM, Ray Mullins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >At the risk of

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Rob Scott
TSO PREFIX, JCL MSGCLASS and ASM equated symbols+lengths All of the items you allude to here are constants 99.9% of the time (OK you can change your prefix in TSO/REXX - but it is not often done) The address environment can be changed by logic paths in executable code at run-time. I think thi

Re: TN3270 Question

2006-01-18 Thread Chris Mason
Pat, A VTAM application, in effect, has access to the SSCP-LU session by means of the TERMSESS macro. Here's some text from the CS SNA Programming manual: "The TERMSESS macroinstruction terminates sessions in which the application program acts as the SLU. The RPL OPTCD operand specifies the type

z/OS IPL Consoles

2006-01-18 Thread Laine, Rogers
We are currently running z/OS 1.4 with two LPARS that are using 3174-1L & 3274-1L controllers that have 3270 terminals attached for IPL'ing our two systems. What can we do to upgrade this old hardware to something a little more current? We also will be moving to 1.7 within the next 6-8 months. Can

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Hal Merritt
You are touching on the real issue of encryption: key management. Some suggest that encryption keys are more sensitive and valuable than the data they protect. And a lot harder to manage. AFAIK, 'clear key encryption' means that secret encryption keys flow over networks 'in the clear'. This can b

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Rob Scott said: > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:02:36 -0500 > > Please can you point me to some documentation that says that this is > inefficient? > > How is it confusing to have a way of knowing exactly where you command > buffer is going? > A few questions, by analogy:

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Ward, Mike S
Sorry, I guess I meant secure key. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Víctor de la Fuente Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Clear key encryption What do you mean with "None clear enc

Re: Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Víctor de la Fuente
What do you mean with "None clear encryption"? Are you talking about ICSF? 2006/1/18, Ward, Mike S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hello all. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me what Clear Key > Encryption VS None clear Encryption is. I looked in the archives, but > only found a reference that

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread Craddock, Chris
> > Aren't enclaves doing work on behalf of a user, but using a new type of > preemptible SRB rather than a TCB? Disclaimer: I know very little about > the internals of z/OS, but remember reading this when I was trying to > figure out what an enclave is. > No. In this context, an enclave is a w

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:19 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Billing for SRB Time > > > There's no real architectural difference between a GCP a

Re: How SMFDUMP works?

2006-01-18 Thread Víctor de la Fuente
Hi! I readed quickly all your answers!Thanks to all! My problem with the CLOSE PENDING is the file is not going DUMP REQUIRED forever...until it wants! I mean we don't know when it is going to change its status. Sometimes we waited for 20 minutes or more! So we need to know why it's not changin

Re: What starts Netview?

2006-01-18 Thread Chris Mason
I'm obliged to do some fancy copy and paste here. Is there a technique for replying to a non-e-mail post with an e-mail? Bruce, I'm concerned about side effects. Does anyone know of any other products, IBM or otherwise, that rely on BNJMTERM even if NetView is not used? By virtue of the fact

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Rob Scott
Seymour wrote : > it is both inefficient and confusing. Please can you point me to some documentation that says that this is inefficient? How is it confusing to have a way of knowing exactly where you command buffer is going? A usage note on using "address (env)" on every call is that on retur

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread Klein, Kevin
Aren't enclaves doing work on behalf of a user, but using a new type of preemptible SRB rather than a TCB? Disclaimer: I know very little about the internals of z/OS, but remember reading this when I was trying to figure out what an enclave is. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Di

Re: Does DDNAME?? override SUBSYS??

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" said: > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:06:03 -0500 > > DDNAME=x overrides everything not consistent with the target DD > statement. Also, overriding is symmetric. > And, if you believe that, you'd be astonished (but I know such things rarely astoni

Clear key encryption

2006-01-18 Thread Ward, Mike S
Hello all. I was wondering if anyone could explain to me what Clear Key Encryption VS None clear Encryption is. I looked in the archives, but only found a reference that clear key could run on the T-REX. I thought that clear key encryption was purely SSL and the other was DES/3DES where the 3des ke

Re: What starts Netview?

2006-01-18 Thread Chris Mason
Pat, Thanks for clearing this up. I'm afraid this was a failure of newsgroup technique. I initially thought I had nothing to contribute here and I had deleted all posts in my mailchecker. Then I reviewed the thread in Google groups and spotted the possible BNJ confusion. Not having a suitable - a

Re: TN3270 Question

2006-01-18 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:16:40 +0100, Chris Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >Once you do find the SysRq key, you can enter "logoff" without the quotation >marks* and VTAM, performing its SSCP role, will terminate the session >between the application and the TELNET logical unit (LU) managed by

Re: Does DDNAME=? override SUBSYS=?

2006-01-18 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Tested and proven correct. Thank you. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Does DDNAME=? override SUBSYS=? In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/2006 at 06:07 PM, "F

Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 03:50 PM, Pohlen Mailinglist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >just as every unix, go into omvs and enter ps -ef ! grep xxx. Every Unix uses the vertical bar (ASCII 7C) as a pipe symbol, not the bang (ASCII 21). >Pay attention, the sign behind the ps -ef is a

Re: What SMP steps are needed

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/2006 at 05:05 PM, Ale Eba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > 1. REVEIVEd with HOLDDATA (downloaded from Enhnaced HOLDDATA). RECEIVE (sic) HOLDDATA early and often. If it's been a while, download and RECEIVE a fresh set before doing another APPLY. > 2. Apply chec

Re: SSP in PL/I or Fortran

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 08:44 AM, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Hum, good question. I don't know. I think that I'm a bit sensitive >about copyright due to the fact that I'm a Linux user at home and >many commercial software vendors (and others) raise such a hew and

Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 09:15 PM, Johnny Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >As a beginner,it's interesting to find that there is also a 'unix' on >Z/os.However,I know nothing about it.Before doing some research,I >would like to raise two simple questions about ' What can USS do'.

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 10:27 AM, Marco Gianfranco Indaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Does somebody know how to read a particular member of PDS using MVS >address or Storage function only? No. >I used swareq sequence in different program to retrieve allocated >dataset No; you

Re: SSP in PL/I or Fortran

2006-01-18 Thread George J Shedlock
Jay, I have the Fortran version in AWS format already, my only hesitation was the copyright issue. George Shedlock Jr Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 01/18/2006 01:48 PM To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: SSP in PL/I or Fortran On Wed, Ja

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I don't see how cluttering yp the code makes it easier on the eye, and the practice actually makes the code harder to maintain. I agree. Especially if you are indenting and have to start continuing TSO/ISPF/ISREDIT commands. I find these difficult to read. I have a couple of EDIT macros that ha

Re: SSP in PL/I or Fortran

2006-01-18 Thread Jay Maynard
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:35:26PM -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > Aren't both the FORTRAN and the PL/I SSP included in OS/360? Are they > on the turnkey CD? Not that I'm aware of. OTOH, hopefully, we can correct that for Turnkey 4. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZChttp://www.conm

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
McKown, John wrote: I sincerely doubt that an SRB can be dispatched on a zAAP. From what little I know of them, they are for JAVA code only. SRBs often execute supervisor instructions. I cannot prove it, but I don't think that zAAPs can execute supervisor code. I know that it is documented that t

Re: SSP in PL/I or Fortran

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 07:08 AM, Jim Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I have the manual for the FORTRAN SSP and it might be 2 volumes. It >contains all the routines along with the printed source code for each >routine. I do not remember seeing any PL/I in their although it

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 08:47 AM, "Hunkeler Peter (KRDO 4)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I seems to me you want to replace the &-strings in the JCL, so the & >shall not denote a variable dereference. >No being a fluent edit macro writer I suggest you try to set the scan >mode o

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/18/2006 at 04:03 AM, Rob Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >and yes it adds an extra few characters to >each line - but so do comments Extraneous comments are also bad. The rule of comments is to make the program easier to understand and to modify, not just to

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/2006 at 09:54 PM, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Subroutine linkage "within a procedure"? I'm confused. In REXX there is a disconnect between internal routines and external routines, even though the invocation syntax is the same. Even though much of

Re: Interview with Fredrick Brooks

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/2006 at 09:03 PM, Marian Gasparovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Thank you, nice thing >I really didn't know it was in System/360 when 8bit were first used >for byte And, in fact, it wasn't. Older I/O gear used 8-bit bytes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, Sy

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/2006 at 05:27 PM, Rob Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Maybe not - but I think it is good practice We'll have to agree to disagree; it is both inefficient and confusing. >Maybe not - but I think it is good practice - it protects you from >problems if you happe

Re: IKJ56876I

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/2006 at 09:44 PM, David Alcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >You really need a S99RBX any time SMS might be involved in DYNALLOC >because of the additonal error fields there with extended information >on the problem. Are you saying that the messages produced by an

Re: Does DDNAME?? override SUBSYS??

2006-01-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 01/17/2006 at 06:07 PM, "Farley, Peter x23353" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Environment is z/OS 1.6. The Fine Manual specifically says that >SUBSYS=? Overrides DDNAME=?, but makes no mention of whether DDNAME=? >overrides SUBSYS=?. Also no mention for DSN=?. DDNAME=x

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Rob Scott
Ed Jaffe wrote : > Just out of curiosity, is there a performance impact either way? I was told that there was no difference when I attended my "REXX for Dummies" course way back when we still used 3420s.. Rob Scott Rocket Software http://www.rs.com/portfolio/mxi/ ---

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Schmidt > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:05 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Billing for SRB Time > > > > > a) SRB CPU time can vary from run to run too much, bas

Re: Billing for SRB Time

2006-01-18 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:08:06 EST, Clark Kidd wrote: > >For many years the MVS operating systems (OS/390 and now z/OS) have >maintained separate reporting structures for processor time consumed in >task mode (TCB time) versus processor time consumed while running under an >authorized subtask (SRB ti

Re: REXX Problem

2006-01-18 Thread Edward E. Jaffe
Rob Scott wrote: Putting the "address (env)" in front of each call will prevent situations such as these - and yes it adds an extra few characters to each line - but so do comments Just out of curiosity, is there a performance impact either way? -- --

Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS

2006-01-18 Thread Gabriel Tully
On 1/18/06, Johnny Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps another question,is there a command in OMVS to see whether > or not 'the otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd' is running?Because at > the > beginning stage I just want to use it.If it's alredy running,I can save a > lot time Assumin

Re: SSP in PL/I or Fortran

2006-01-18 Thread Jay Maynard
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:58:25PM -0500, George J Shedlock wrote: > 1. I think I have found a copy of the Fortran version of this tape. I should be getting a copy of the PL/I version of this tape soon, and will make it available when I do. I'd be happy to do the same for the FORTRAN version. --

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, jim harrison said: > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:16:19 -0500 > > If you specify the dataset name in your JCL and you know the DDNAME, you > can use the LM (Library Access) functions of ISPF to dynamically retrieve > member names > > The sequence would be something like L

Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS

2006-01-18 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Pohlen Mailinglist said: > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:34:06 +0100 > > in omvs you use the exclamation mark instead of the pipe symbol. I know that > this is a difference to normal unix systems, therefore I have mentioned it. > Ahem. I tried before I posted: [EMAIL

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
Hi Mr Charles, many thanks again. I suppose that something near the assembler is de facto the only way to do this. If your tool is too complex is, for me, enough a good advice that will direct me on the right way. My actual idea, that can be wrong, is to reach two target: 1) find a way to list pds

Re: ADR793E - VTOC and VVDS do not match?

2006-01-18 Thread Matthew Stitt
I believe he has managed to place a non-SMS dataset on an SMS managed volume. I wonder if the ADRDSSU CONVERTV command would fix him up. Since it is a SMP/E SMPLTS file, he would be safe in deleting it and allocate a new one. On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:19:27 -0800, Ulrich Krueger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: DFSMS message help

2006-01-18 Thread Mark Thomen
"Mike Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > We are unable to locate the following message, any help would really be > appreciated. > > DGTLM003 RTC=30 RSN=62 MOD=F8 This appears to be a return code from Catalog. Please look up RC30 RSN62 under message IDC300

Re: SSP in PL/I or Fortran

2006-01-18 Thread George J Shedlock
Some info for your consideration: 1. I think I have found a copy of the Fortran version of this tape. 2. The tape is from the old Contributed Program Library 3. The date in the data on the tape is 1-16-73. 4. I *think* that I also have at least one of the manuals that goes with the tape, but need

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread jim harrison
If you specify the dataset name in your JCL and you know the DDNAME, you can use the LM (Library Access) functions of ISPF to dynamically retrieve member names The sequence would be something like LMINIT, LMOPEN, LMFIND or LMMLIST and LMFREE "Marco Gianfranco Indaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote i

Re: How SMFDUMP works?

2006-01-18 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi Don, We currently exclude type 69 but I browsed the APARs to see if there was anything new and surprise... COMMENTS: The MVS Allocation and SMF components have agreed to accept this situation as a SUGgestion to be implemented through future development. The solution to this APA

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Charles Mills
Is an assembler "helper" an acceptable option? I suspect many people have written "Rexx-helpers" for PDSes in assembler and some might be willing to share it with you. Such subroutines would normally be "pure MVS" and independent of TSO. I've written one but it is too complex - has too much specia

Decoding IEANUC01 modules

2006-01-18 Thread Jay Maynard
I'm trying to find and zap a constant in IEANUC01(IEAANIP0) on OS/360. To do so, I need to understand how scatter format modules are laid out on disk. Anyone know where I can find out how that's structured? I'm trying to avoid reassembling and relinking the entire MVT nucleus. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Marco Gianfranco Indaco
Hi Brendan, thanks for your reply but: neither LISTDS or OUTTRAP are internal function of Rexx(or MVS). LISTDS is a tso command OUTTRAP is an external function that run only in the TSO/E address space. So I can't use them running out of TSO. Appreciate your idea but.. I can't. Regards 2006/1/18

Re: BlackBerry TimeStamps

2006-01-18 Thread Brian Peterson
I think it's still wrong Brian On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>In a message dated 1/18/2006 9:17:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > >It looks like RIM fixed their server bug. >Now the times on my messages won't confuse peopl

Re: How SMFDUMP works?

2006-01-18 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
Also be sure to exclude type 69 records. See APAR OW45020 or the SMF manual for details. Don Imbriale >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >Of Bruce Hewson >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:18 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >Subje

Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS

2006-01-18 Thread Brendan Friel
One thing you can do which is incredibly easy is to set an OUTTRAP. Then do a LISTDS to get the members of the PDS into a stem variable. Then you can step through the stem variable and process one PDS member at a time. HTH, Brendan ---

Re: "IF" statements in JCL

2006-01-18 Thread Howard Brazee
There used to be a nice article at http://www.objectz.com/cobolreport/archives/TCR_jcl.htm which talked about the AVGREC parameter and IF-THEN-ELSE-ENDIF Condition Code processing. I printed a copy of it, but it appears to be gone. Googling, I found http://www.dsios.dsio.dla.mil/library/techf

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