Fw: Overhead caused by LE options with (XREF, MAP, LET)

2006-09-25 Thread Bill Klein
I think you are a "bit confused". I don't think that those are EVER "LE" options. They look (to me) as if they are a combination of compiler (possibly COBOL) and Binder options. Also, I haven't ever heard of any shops (in the last decade or so) that are concerned about compile or bind-time "perfo

Re: MPF messages now appearing.

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Westerman
It looks like you have the generalized MPF command processing exit installed. It requires that you have the SYS1.MPF.COMMANDS dataset and that it doesn't get archived by HSM or ABR. All you need to do is restore the dataset and restart the started task that you installed with generalized MPF t

Re: Co existence sorta question

2006-09-25 Thread Gibney, Dave
That's where I'll mount it, I was just some concerned about mounting an uplevel HFS on a downlevel system. The fallback/coexistence isn't clear to me for this case. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Stitt > Sent:

Overhead caused by LE options with (XREF, MAP, LET)

2006-09-25 Thread Tommy Tsui
Hi, Anyone have experience if we turn off the XREF, MAP options. Will it improved the overall complie job performance? Any comment will be appreciated. Tommy Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instruc

Re: HP and false emails

2006-09-25 Thread Arthur T.
On 23 Sep 2006 12:31:40 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Payne) wrote: "Mr Hurd's part in the so-called "tracer email" scandal was disclosed at a press conference after the US markets closed last night. Investigators looking into boardro

Re: HP and false emails

2006-09-25 Thread Arthur T.
On 25 Sep 2006 10:01:46 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clark F Morris) wrote: While this topic really isn't mainframe related it does point out that we need to be careful about who has access to production data and that an organization may n

Re: VTOC trashed?

2006-09-25 Thread Arthur T.
On 25 Sep 2006 12:12:39 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Mason) wrote: I was the naively "smart" one - had too quickly keyed up a SCRATCH VTOC,VOL=2314=whtevr,SYS card for my IEHPROGM cards. The "too quickly" means that the comma befo

Re: Password Needed (??)

2006-09-25 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 06:29:01 -0500, Carol Srna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello. Does anyone have to use a password when posting to the List or >accessing the Archives? >... I think Darren recently changed the web interface so that all accesses require id / password. Since I use nothing but t

Re: What should an IN|OUT parm be called?

2006-09-25 Thread john gilmore
I suggest the use of the option keyword FOR iff you judge that an option keyword and a set of at most three argumernts are really required. In PL/I, from which this syntax model is derived, one writes, for example, open file() input . . . ;l open file() output . . . ; open file() update . . . ;

Re: Amdahl OSA cards and VIPA

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Mason
Michael Unfortunately, the first type of OSA with which I have worked is the OSA-2. It appears from what Shane tells us that the Amdahl OSA is, in effect, an OSA-1. Indeed it is possible to have multiple IP address entries specified for an OSA feature port in order that the destination IP address

Re: What should an IN|OUT parm be called?

2006-09-25 Thread Dave Salt
From: Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Design question: I am implementing a command in a batch product, and one of the parameters of the command will indicate "does it apply to input or output datasets." What should the keyword for that parameter be? How about: ACCESS WHICHWAY(IN|OUT) other pa

Re: SDSF Question

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Mason
Kirk Thanks for confirming that my guess that "Attn" would work for Ed is correct. I'll confess that I missed out the BID angle since my post was quite long enough already. In my description of the way the "change direction" (CD) indicator works, I had assumed that the LU type 2 session was alrea

What should an IN|OUT parm be called?

2006-09-25 Thread Charles Mills
Design question: I am implementing a command in a batch product, and one of the parameters of the command will indicate "does it apply to input or output datasets." What should the keyword for that parameter be? In other words, given a command syntax of ACCESS X(IN|OUT) other parameters ... w

Re: Co existence sorta question

2006-09-25 Thread Matthew Stitt
Sure you can. Make sure it is mounted R/W. Usually I use the /Service directory for this stuff. You probably used it when you installed the system. On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:48:00 -0700, Gibney, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm migrating my z/OS 1.7 into the next LPAR. I use a cloning >str

Re: SDSF Question

2006-09-25 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:45:08 -0400 Kirk Talman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>It's been +10 yrs since I worked on TPX as a developer, but the behavior :>you describe is the difference between SNA and non-SNA protocol. Under :>SNA protocol ATTN replaces PA1, because RESET will not unlock the keybo

Re: SDSF Question

2006-09-25 Thread Kirk Talman
It's been +10 yrs since I worked on TPX as a developer, but the behavior you describe is the difference between SNA and non-SNA protocol. Under SNA protocol ATTN replaces PA1, because RESET will not unlock the keyboard and give you direction if the application has not already given it to you,

Co existence sorta question

2006-09-25 Thread Gibney, Dave
I'm migrating my z/OS 1.7 into the next LPAR. I use a cloning strategy. So I will make a copy of the z/OS root HFS to use in the next LPAR. We have several mount points in the target LPAR that are not in the serverpac sandbox. Can I mount a z/OS 1.7 level file system to a point in my 1.4 targ

Re: display CPENABLE

2006-09-25 Thread Don Imbriale
Thanks for the info. As a result of an off-list prompt, I put together the following REXX exec: /* rexx */ /* Display CPENABLE values; CVT points to RMCT which

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi, There are other valid reasons for multiple images within a single CEC in addition to dealing with VSCR challenges. One is to provide higher availability.The exploitation of parallel Sysplex even within a single CEC can isolate you from single image planned and unplanned downtime. Nothin

Re: IBM e-mail blocked (was RE: Acronyms (Was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
Yes it is! I just replied to this and the Reply-To comes up as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM e-mail

Re: display CPENABLE

2006-09-25 Thread Knutson, Sam
TMONMVS Option 1.5.5 MISCELLANEOUS OPTIONS. Option 1.5 is the PERFORMANCE PARAMETERS MENU. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Flash 1033

display CPENABLE

2006-09-25 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Flash 10337 discusses settings for CPENABLE. http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/FLASH10337 ASKQQA document BDC32090 available in ServiceLink discusses the use of IPCS to

REPLYTO problem

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
There are few places I can test this at. Suddenly RIM is screwing up my e-mail, again. When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the messag

Re: IBM e-mail blocked (was RE: Acronyms (Was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>(Fix your Reply-To: or delete it, Ted. It's defaulting to your address, not >IBM-MAIN. Cue Shmuel.) No! It's not. RIM changed things so that my direct BlackBerry account does that. That's why I'm using a YAHOO Account (POP3). I check it regularly, since that happened. I see responses to

IBM e-mail blocked (was RE: Acronyms (Was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ray Mullins
(Fix your Reply-To: or delete it, Ted. It's defaulting to your address, not IBM-MAIN. Cue Shmuel.) I can actually answer that one, because it happened to me. :-) The key is you just suddenly realize they've gone AWOL. I noticed that I'd stopped receiving those e-mails, so I went to my fri

Re: Acronyms (Was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Maybe they read your tagline and were in doubt and PANICed ! ?? When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO S

Re: VTOC trashed?

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Mason
Mike Mention of a "trashed" VTOC always reminds me of two events from my past: 1) One volume I - and some colleagues - were working on had accumulated a large number of temporary data sets. The smart one in the group said "I can easily fix that, here's" - after a burst of work on the 029[1] - "t

Re: Acronyms (Was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Birger Heede
Maybe they read your tagline and were in doubt and PANICed ! Birger Heede IBM SWG Ted MacNEIL wrote: but IGS for IBM Global Services is a good example of something that I bet over half the people on this list wouldn't think of. I had no clue. Please spell out acronyms if there is a doubt

Re: PDSE extended sharing overhead

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>The two major enqueue names are SYSZIGW0 and SYSZIGW1. PDSE services >automatically set scope to SYSTEMS. They didn't do it automatically when we turned it on! But, that was many aeons ago. IBM may have fixed it since, but I remember the scars from it not being automatic (nor documented), then

Re: PDSE extended sharing overhead

2006-09-25 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
The two major enqueue names are SYSZIGW0 and SYSZIGW1. PDSE services automatically set scope to SYSTEMS. An enqueue with major name SYSDSN will also be issued. A complete reference on all aspects of PDSE Usage can be found in a Redbook at: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246106.html?Open

Re: SDSF Question

2006-09-25 Thread Chris Mason
Ed Sometimes inquiring minds want to know what is going on. The rest of this post talks about TSO as the primary LU application but I guess similar principles will apply to your "VTAM application switcher". I wouldn't be at all surprised if your application responded to the equivalent of the "Att

Re: PDSE extended sharing overhead

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Should we expect that going to PDSE extended sharing would add a lot of >overhead to our system? Not really. You would have to do an awful(*) lot of work to cause measurable overhead. Just make sure you have the proper resources for managing PDSE's in a shared environment set to scope SYSTEMS.

PDSE extended sharing overhead

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Sipusic
We have a basic sysplex with three LPARs: production, development, and sandbox. Should we expect that going to PDSE extended sharing would add a lot of overhead to our system? I would characterize us as using PDSEs sparingly, mostly in connection with ENDEVOR. Tom Sipusic -

Re: HP and false emails

2006-09-25 Thread Clark F Morris
On 25 Sep 2006 03:41:05 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >See "landmines" in http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html > >The German adjective - not very politically correct - is "getürkt". > >I frequently mention my dear old HP41CV in the footnotes to the MIPS tables. >That's because >o

Re: Acronyms (Was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>but IGS for IBM Global Services is a good example of something that I bet over >half the people on this list wouldn't think of. I had no clue. Please spell >out acronyms if there is a doubt that they are universally recognizable. If there had been doubt, I would have spelled it out. PS: th

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>And naturally these gurus are paid by the amount of CPU time they save their >customers? And the upgrades those customers don't need to pay IBM for? These gurus have saved us money (including upgrades). IBM makes money on consulting gigs, too. When in doubt. PANIC!!

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Do you mean that they separate production from application development and run them in different LPARs? Yes. When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PR

Acronyms (Was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
This is a good place for my occasional reminder to spell out acronyms. Granted, most acronmys used on this listserve are common enough to be recognized by the majority of people on this list, but IGS for IBM Global Services is a good example of something that I bet over half the people on this

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2006-09-25 Thread Larry R. Wright
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Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:54:26 -0600, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In a recent note, Tom Marchant said: > >> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:03:21 -0500 >> >>... But the best design (assuming that both >> LPARS run on the same CEC) is to combine them into one LP

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Tony Harminc
Ted MacNEIL wrote: > IBM Global Services. > > Their out-sourcing arm. > > Their 'opinion' comes from the gurus within IBM Corporate. And naturally these gurus are paid by the amount of CPU time they save their customers? And the upgrades those customers don't need to pay IBM for? Tony H.

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:51:33 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Does all your work get done? > >NO! Do you continue to fall further behind every day/week/month? > > >>Importance 4 & 5? You can't get your most important work to run? > >Since when is 4 & 5 the most important? >IMP=1 i

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Gilbert Saint-Flour
On Monday 25 September 2006 11:06, Ted MacNEIL wrote: > ... one of the first things IGS does when it takes over a > company's IT environment. POOF! No more TSO with Production! This statement is unclear. Do you mean that they separate production from application development and run them in diff

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Tom Marchant said: > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:03:21 -0500 > >... But the best design (assuming that both > LPARS run on the same CEC) is to combine them into one LPAR. > I considered this, but feared it might encounter insurmountable constraints su

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:45 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF) > > > But, you have to be very careful with TSO competi

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Does all your work get done? NO! >Importance 4 & 5? You can't get your most important work to run? Since when is 4 & 5 the most important? IMP=1 is the most. >Including the cost of work that doesn't finish on time. That is hard to quantify. >(We are out-sourced, with all that entails) >I

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>If it is a given that I have a single CEC and my CPU demand is consistantly >100%, then I totally fail to see the plus of multiple LPARs. I made an assumption, regarding multiple footprints, that was invalid. I have not run in a single CPU shop since 1984. The only reason for multiple images wi

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:14:02 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>Perhaps it's the design of WLM that doesn't account >>>for profoundly diverse behaviors within a single LPAR. > >>Ahh, but it does. > >THAT I disagree with! > >Too many times have I found that mixing I/O bound and CPU bo

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:19 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF) > > > >Don't confuse importance with priority. > > Never

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Dave Reinken
> From: Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:08:34 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You may think I'm touting my opinion as 'fact', but go take a look at one > >of the first things IGS does when it takes over a company's IT environment. > >POOF! No more TSO with

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I don't know who IGS is, or why their opinion should carry any weight. IBM Global Services. Their out-sourcing arm. Their 'opinion' comes from the gurus within IBM Corporate. When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscr

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Your point? I put third period TSO in discretionary. Discretionary never gets dispatched in our environment. Putting a workload to discretionary is akin to: E ,QUIESCE In our environment. We have less than an hour a day that we are not running flat out. When in doubt. PANIC!! --

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Don't confuse importance with priority. Never have/never will. The last thought I left with people, when I presented, was exactly that. As a matter of fact, I tried (as recommended by Cheryl Watson) to get that column removed from the SDSF panels. . . . >What kind of resources does that LPAR

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:08:34 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>There is no need for this kind of personal attack. > >It was intended as a joke. >Not a very good one, but a joke. apology accepted. > >You may think I'm touting my opinion as 'fact', but go take a look at one >of the fi

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>>Perhaps it's the design of WLM that doesn't account >>for profoundly diverse behaviors within a single LPAR. >Ahh, but it does. THAT I disagree with! Too many times have I found that mixing I/O bound and CPU bound jobs on the same system kills the performance of the I/O bound jobs. The only

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>There is no need for this kind of personal attack. It was intended as a joke. Not a very good one, but a joke. I have not had the luxury of having a machine run less than 100% for years. And, in that kind of environment TSO does not mix well with Production (I said Production -- NOT Batch, no

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:25:39 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >If TSOP1 was not one of the highest priorities, response was erratic. >If the period was sized poorly, other workload (Production Batch, >Onlines, etc.) suffered. > >I used to do three periods, with the third as a MTTW. >

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:36:01 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Whether or not you feel WLM is somehow deficient at managing such >>segregated workloads is pretty >>much immaterial (again, IMO) and of course as usual, YMMV. > >When I implemented GOAL MODE at the Bank of Nova Scotia in

Re: Job Mix (was: Speaking of SDSF)

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:09:50 -0600, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Compare: > >Case A: > >o One LPAR with 100 TSO users > >o One LPAR with 50 production jobs > >(Adjust numbers to reality.) versus: > >Case B: > >o Two LPARs, each with 50 TSO users and 25 production jobs. > >OK. You'

Re: Speaking of SDSF

2006-09-25 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 02:33:05 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>WLM can do an ecxellent job of maintaining good response time for TSO and CICS environments as well as for batch production and test workloads. And it can do it with the processors running very near >capacity > >Please

Re: Password Needed (??)

2006-09-25 Thread Carol Srna
Thanks to all who responded. Greg, the URL U gave explained everything. Thanks again. Greg Shirey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 09/25/2006 09:03 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Password Needed (??)

MPF messages now appearing.

2006-09-25 Thread Richbourg, Claude
Anyone seen these type messages before? We are at z/OS 1.7, Netview 5.2 and have TSSO from the CBT installed. However, searches of GOOGLE and ASK do not give any hits, nor does the IBM z/OS 1.7 website. Searched the TSSO lib's and no hits either. I am now scratching my head hard as to what has i

Re: Password Needed (??)

2006-09-25 Thread Greg Shirey
If you wish to search the IBM-MAIN archives for posts from 1986 thru 2000, you must first subscribe to the list IBM-MAIN-ARCHIVES. More details in Darren's message: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0605&L=ibm-main&P=R42519&I=1&X=1C470B625 A517A7B00 HTH, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company --

Re: Password Needed (??)

2006-09-25 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
""Carol Srna"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Hello. Does anyone have to use a password when posting to the List or > accessing the Archives? > Thanks In Advance > I don't know about posting, but for accessing the archives Darren introduced loggin in some tim

Re: HP and false emails

2006-09-25 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Phil Payne > > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8209-2371686,00.html > > "Mr Hurd's part in the so-called "tracer email" scandal was > disclosed at a press conference after the US markets closed > last n

Re: SYS1.BRODCAST security?

2006-09-25 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Robert S. Hansel (RSH) > > John, > > If you change the UACC and Global Access Table entry for > SYS1.BRODCAST to READ, you will need to permit UPDATE access > to SYS1.BRODCAST to whomever administers TSO Segments on

Re: Password Needed (??)

2006-09-25 Thread Eatherly, John D [LTD]
Not here. Thanks. John Eatherly -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carol Srna Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 6:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Password Needed (??) Hello. Does anyone have to use a password when posti

Password Needed (??)

2006-09-25 Thread Carol Srna
Hello. Does anyone have to use a password when posting to the List or accessing the Archives? Thanks In Advance -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message:

HP and false emails

2006-09-25 Thread Phil Payne
See "landmines" in http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html The German adjective - not very politically correct - is "getürkt". I frequently mention my dear old HP41CV in the footnotes to the MIPS tables. That's because one of the things it's used for is to find landmines. In any given set of r

Re: HP and false emails

2006-09-25 Thread Ulrich Boche
Phil Payne wrote: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8209-2371686,00.html "Mr Hurd's part in the so-called "tracer email" scandal was disclosed at a press conference after the US markets closed last night. Investigators looking into boardroom leaks planted fictitious emails with jour

Re: MII/GRS Resource Names

2006-09-25 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
"Shmuel Metz , Seymour J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > In > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > on 09/22/2006 >at 04:00 PM, "Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >Come on, think: how should the system serialize 2 jobs, when 1 uses > >the alias and the