Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Pandey_Saurabh
Hello! It is really unfortunate that they had to contend with such a lousy interviewee and my sympathies are totally with your friend as he has a right to be aggrieved here. Being replaced by someone is not a problem but this is a farce if it is true. (You don't have to be a 'Sr. System Analyst' to

Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Timothy Sipples
This question keeps coming up a lot. Yet another choice is WebSphere Host On-Demand ("HOD"). You can "Try Your Own Host" here: http://websphere.dfw.ibm.com/whidemo/atdemo_hod_basics_live.html You do not need to add any browser to Mac OS X -- it works just fine with Safari out-of-the-box. I'm quit

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Jim Mulder wrote: IIUC, z/OS UNIX fork processing uses the OC instruction, while in PSW key zero, to WRITE on EVERY PAGE of EVERY MODULE in the private area of the address space! That's a bit of an exageration. Every page of every program object which is eligible for deferred page mode

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/12/2008 10:40:47 PM: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:55:31 -0500, Wayne Driscoll wrote: > > >My guess as to why the OC is used is because fork will use a Copy on Write > >(COW) protocol for the new address space. They run through the JPA and do > >an OC on

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:41:37 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: >IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/12/2008 >02:14:24 PM: > >> We just opened APAR OA25468 against z/OS UNIX. If you run with REFRPROT >> in PROGxx, you can be hit by this. >> >> IIUC, z/OS UNIX fork processing uses the OC instruction,

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 06/12/2008 02:14:24 PM: > We just opened APAR OA25468 against z/OS UNIX. If you run with REFRPROT > in PROGxx, you can be hit by this. > > IIUC, z/OS UNIX fork processing uses the OC instruction, while in PSW > key zero, to WRITE on EVERY PAGE of EVERY M

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:55:31 -0500, Wayne Driscoll wrote: >My guess as to why the OC is used is because fork will use a Copy on Write >(COW) protocol for the new address space. They run through the JPA and do >an OC on each page in order to get the modules copied over. This is >probably since th

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Tom, Thanks. I'm glad to see you regard us with such high esteem. I like it when people say exactly what they mean. Ron > > people > overseas are not as skilled (even more skilled? That's a joke). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Russell Witt
I agree whole heartily with Lizette on the state of education. But it has been that way for decades now. I can remember over 30+ years ago at my university taking a database class. I was a part-time tape-ape at the time, and knew that we used IMS as our database. So I asked the prof what type of

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Shane Ginnane wrote: Be careful what you ask for - they're just as likely to do something along the lines of following, and bypass REFRPROT all the time ... | Note that debuggers, such as TSO TEST and UNIX debugging | environments, will override REFRPROT protection for particular TCBs so | th

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Shane Ginnane
Ed J wrote on 13/06/2008 04:14:24 AM: > We just opened APAR OA25468 against z/OS UNIX. If you run with REFRPROT > in PROGxx, you can be hit by this. > > IIUC, z/OS UNIX fork processing uses the OC instruction, while in PSW > key zero, to WRITE on EVERY PAGE of EVERY MODULE in the private area o

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
--- The OP clearly shows that the person replacing him is not as skilled as he should be. But even that person might be smart enough not to generalize from one data point. I can find nothing in the original post that denigrates a

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Arthur T. wrote: At one time when we sysprogs were overworked, a consultant was brought in to update an SMF exit. He made numerous elementary mistakes. After about 2 weeks, I finally got time and updated the program in about 6 hours. During those two weeks, the consultant was working o

Re: Overland TapeXpress T490E drive available

2008-06-12 Thread Chuck Arney
I'd be more than happy to swing by and haul that thing off for you Barry if you have no better offers. I could make use of it. Chuck Arney illustro Systems International, LLC http://www.illustro.com Access 3270 data from anywhere with z/XML-Host Access 3270 apps from the web with z/Web-Host Acces

Overland TapeXpress T490E drive available

2008-06-12 Thread Barry Merrill
I have the Overland TapeXpress T490E cartridge tape drive that reads and writes 3480/3490/3490E cartridges that has been unused for several years, and I'd be happy to give it away, if someone can use it. Overland doesn't support the drive, but they did give me the url www.sprague-magnetics.com

Re: Adabas, zOs and WLM

2008-06-12 Thread Patrick Falcone
Hi Anton, At my prior gig we had North American, mostly CST and some EST zone work and a UK workload. I supported one WLM policy. The workloads were grouped as usual, prod onlines, prod batch, test onlines, test batch, etc I had CICS, IDMS, Adabas, Complete, WAS, Domino, TSO. You get

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Arthur T.
On 12 Jun 2008 10:10:27 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pinnacle) wrote: The OP clearly shows that people overseas are not as skilled (even more skilled? That's a joke). The OP clearly shows that the person replacing him is not as sk

Re: Migrated Dataset List

2008-06-12 Thread Scott Barry
Consider using the IBM z/OS IDCAMS utility function DCOLLECT which calls the IBM-standard interface ARCUTIL in order to read the MCDS for you. DCOLLECT options can limit the information being processed/generated, as you desire. The output file then can be read by a user program, or if you are

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Clark Morris
On 12 Jun 2008 08:00:50 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >It seems that more and more, systems programmers either find some >old-timer to mentor them or they have to shoehorn themselves into >positions to learn their jobs on their own. > >Companies don't want to train them. Same thing

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Jun 2008 13:17:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote: >This is a totally different animal than outsourcing an IT job that can >be performed remotely. In the case of manufacturing, the rising costs of >transportation fuels are already beginning to change things. If >transportati

Re: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION

2008-06-12 Thread Scott Barry
Maybe you can share exactly what error or step/process is not working. Just now, I successfully searched a Panvalet library (specified in quotations). Here's what I did, using TSO/ISPF, from the panel "Search/Update Utility" - (panel ID IFAMU36): 1) primary option "M" specified (member level

Re: Adabas, zOs and WLM

2008-06-12 Thread Jerry Fuchs
I our environment we have A LOT of online (DB2 distributed) work that kicks off at night from a server somewhere. If we let it alone it would eat our lunch and batch processing windows would be missed. We have a night time definition that lowers the distributed work down to lower than a snakes

Re: Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread Traylor, Terry
Even though you are using the SYS5 alias, could it be that SYS5 is not an alias, but just the high level of the datasets cataloged to the master catalog? The clue being page datasets must be cataloged to the master catalog. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Chase, John wrote: Doubtful (they don't have the physical space). But when a worldwide equilibrium in costs of production is reached (probably in four or five generations), everything will once again be made "locally". This is a totally different animal than outsourcing an IT job that can

Re: Adabas, zOs and WLM

2008-06-12 Thread Wayne Driscoll
With the possible exception of the number of batch initiators started (with WLM managed inits a moot point) I have been opposed to different service definitions based on shift. With WLM, it is even more unnecessary IMHO. For example, if there is no IMP=2 work running on the system, IMP=3 work will

Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... take 2

2008-06-12 Thread Gary Green
I just got back from a training session, see my tagline, and have only a couple of minutes so I must wait to respond to ALL those emails my original post generated. However... A new wrinkle in the outsourcing dilemma... This morning my friend received an email from a recruiter (a general email

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe > Discussion List) > > In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:30:46 P.M. Central Daylight > Time, howard.brazee writes: > >But the lesser skilled > work will be outsourced again to those who need the money

Adabas, zOs and WLM

2008-06-12 Thread Anton Britz
Hi, How many of you have different WLM defintions for a "Day" time load and a "Night" time load in zOs . The LPAR is running CICS, ADABAS, SHADOW ? I am trying to tell them the concept of having different WLM settings for the different parts of the day , is old fashioned ex. We have WEB applica

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 2:30:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when I said people stopped studding IT I mean people in college. My friend himself was an IT Student, but decides to go to an management school after he realized companies in the US are sending their

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:38:36 -0500, Bobbie Justice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >maybe he read a book and declared himself an expert. Or perhaps his management said "Be an expert!" so he found a book. >... On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:42:01 EDT, IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Lizette Koehler
I think there is IT training in colleges here in the USA. Just not Mainframe courses. Most universities here believe that the OPEN SYSTEMS is the only areas to teach. I took a JAVA and C++ college class. I asked if they would offer some mainframe languages like Assembler and COBOL and PL/I.

Re: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION

2008-06-12 Thread Lizette Koehler
You might try to use the ++UPDATE with SCAN option. The replacement update scans on the member for the scan field specified and, if found, replaces the scan field with the replace field. If you specify only seq1, only that record is scanned. If you specify both sequence numbers, that range of r

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ricardo Lee
Tom, when I said people stopped studding IT I mean people in college. My friend himself was an IT Student, but decides to go to an management school after he realized companies in the US are sending their IT programming to other countries. I don't think it's only money, IT companies have no cho

Re: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
You can read it as long as you have the sub-system defined (SUBSYS=PANV). -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH F

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Wayne Driscoll
My guess as to why the OC is used is because fork will use a Copy on Write (COW) protocol for the new address space. They run through the JPA and do an OC on each page in order to get the modules copied over. This is probably since they can't just re-load all the modules, since source library inf

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Craddock, Chris wrote: Ed said |2. Re-link the affected module so it is not using the | REFRESHABLE attribute. Yeah. Sure. How many modules in typical z/OS system are linked REFR? :-D Aside from that... IIRC z/OS (AND ancestors) completely ignores the REFR attribute. Not any m

Re: Reporting HMC Software bug?

2008-06-12 Thread Jousma, David
Thanks Bruno, I opened at ticket to the Hardware group via ESC+ . We'll see what happens. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruno Sugliani Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reporting HMC

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Pinnacle
Ricardo, My responses below. Regards, Tom Conley - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... So, you really think that, if one is not

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Rick Fochtman wrote: Given the potential risks, I think that I'll stick to EXCP with Format-1 CCW's. If this is going to be a public-domain program, I'd rather be safe than sorry; and I don't want to give someone the rope they might use to hang themselves. :-) And, EXCP is an ordinary unautho

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
(IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote: All it needs is an IOSB -- which contains pointers to the channel program and UCB. Using STARTIO, you can construct a channel program to read or write any records anywhere on any device. This puts you one subtle programming error away from "wiping

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Staller, Allan
I.R.S.? Howard Brazee asked: -snip- Have you worked for companies that used terror as a weapon or tool? -snip All those with military service need not respond. OK. Want me to name the companies? I think I'd rather continue working. However, one of the most widely known has intitials that ma

Re: Reporting HMC Software bug?

2008-06-12 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:29:19 -0400, Jousma, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >All, > >This may be a silly question, but how does one open a PMR for a bug in >the Hardware Management Conole (HMC) application? I don't want to open >a hardware problem, and have a CE dispatched to my site. I don't s

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Wilkie) writes: > Will Durant, a famous historian once said that a nation is born stoic > and dies epicurean. The same is true for everything from Operating > Syst

Re: APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Craddock, Chris
Ed said > |2. Re-link the affected module so it is not using the > | REFRESHABLE attribute. > > Yeah. Sure. How many modules in typical z/OS system are linked REFR? :-D Aside from that... IIRC z/OS (AND ancestors) completely ignores the REFR attribute. CC

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Tony B.
The xenophobia disappears quickly enough. Once we had some experience with a number of offshore contractors (UK, Eastern Europe, India, China) we discovered that the talent level is the same bell curve we have here. A few truly talented folks, a few really unskilled folks and the large bell in be

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Conway Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... Howard Brazee asked: -snip- Have you worked for companies t

Reporting HMC Software bug?

2008-06-12 Thread Jousma, David
All, This may be a silly question, but how does one open a PMR for a bug in the Hardware Management Conole (HMC) application? I don't want to open a hardware problem, and have a CE dispatched to my site. I don't see anything in the books or Resourcelink, IBMLINK, etc. Dave Jousma This e-mail

Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Dudley > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:23 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: 3270 Software for Mac > > Hi, > I use CelView Mainframe Display 3.0.4. Excellent emulator that

Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Craig Dudley
Hi, I use CelView Mainframe Display 3.0.4. Excellent emulator that runs w/o problems on Panther, Tiger, & Leopard (10.5.3 so far). I use my Mac at work & home. I have 2 of my systems programmers using Mac OS X Leopard & CelView. Systems accessed are z/OS 1.8, z/VM 5.2 & 5.3, z/VSE V3.1 & V4.1.

Re: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION

2008-06-12 Thread Jerry Durbin
Use the Panvalet PAN#8 utility - in my sample below I'm looking for "CBRPBINB" //PAN8 EXEC PGM=PAN#8,PARM='OPEN=INP' //PANDD1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN= //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD * ++CONTROL 0 ++SCAN *,/CBRPBIND/72 //* -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Bill Wilkie
Howard: Will Durant, a famous historian once said that a nation is born stoic and dies epicurean. The same is true for everything from Operating Systems, to change control to society in general. We enhance everything to a point where it is sophisticated and mature and then abandon it because i

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Richard Peurifoy wrote: I am curious, is there much software that will use partitions? Not that I'm aware of; I'm only familiar with non-commercial goodies. What do they buy you over multiple TN3270 sessions? Pop-up windows, screen partitioning, etc., and a single logon. Or anything else

APAR OA25468

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
We just opened APAR OA25468 against z/OS UNIX. If you run with REFRPROT in PROGxx, you can be hit by this. IIUC, z/OS UNIX fork processing uses the OC instruction, while in PSW key zero, to WRITE on EVERY PAGE of EVERY MODULE in the private area of the address space! (Who designed this???!)

Re: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION

2008-06-12 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am not sure you can use Fileaid against tha Panvalet Library. But there should be a search functions with Panvalet Lizette -Original Message- >From: John Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jun 12, 2008 2:04 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >Subject: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION > >Ha

Re: oedit/obrowse invalid directory: Errno=81x

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:56:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How did that get there!! I had copies of oedit and obrowse in my personal file in the SYSEXEC concatenation. I removed them and all is well. >> Probably there to make PROFs work? ***

Re: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Dawes > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:04 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION > > Hallo Allo, > > Would anybody tell me how I can perform th

FILEAID - PERFORMING SEARCH FUNCTION

2008-06-12 Thread John Dawes
Hallo Allo,   Would anybody tell me how I can perform the "search" for a specific string when using FILEAID.  I am trying to search a PANVALET library (using FILEAID) but I am unable to perform this function.   I looked at the tutorial but I came up empty.  Maybe I missed it.   Thanks. Send inst

Re: oedit/obrowse invalid directory: Errno=81x

2008-06-12 Thread Smith, Sean M
How did that get there!! I had copies of oedit and obrowse in my personal file in the SYSEXEC concatenation. I removed them and all is well. Thank you Bill. Sean Smith -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Big Iron Sent: Thurs

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Conway > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:52 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... > > Howard Brazee asked: > -snip- > Have you w

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Steven Conway
Howard Brazee asked: -snip- Have you worked for companies that used terror as a weapon or tool? -snip All those with military service need not respond. Steve Conway MSgt, USMC (Ret.) Lead Systems Programmer Information Systems & Services Division Computer & Network Operations Phone: (703) 450-3

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
(IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote: Nobody said anything about terrorism. Now you are making it very wide. The entire discussion so far has been about experience and, most importantly, COMPETENCY. Some years back, IBM outsourced operations and system maintenance for their Poughkeeps

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ricardo Lee
So, you really think that, if one is not north american, a US citzen, then he/she has less skills?? I think of it as a xenophobic problem. Actually, I realy think that, because of all the problems we have here in Brazil, where I live (I can't comment about India, as I don't know) such as lack of

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:30:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >But the lesser skilled work will be outsourced again to those who need the money enough to be willing to work for less Just as manufacturing jobs are migrating from one outsourced country to anot

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:26:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The vvds entry should contain the catalog where the dataset(s) is cataloged. >> It's sort of like a mystery novel(or misery as the case may be). -Usually start with ===>LISTC ent('hlq') all to se

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... On 12 Jun 2008 09:05:03 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson,

Re: Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread Michael Saraco
For VSAM entries check the Z/os1.9 VSAM migration. I would check the rename job you ran for the answers. For the rest I would do a listcat on your catalogs and I think you will find the other data sets. If you are creating a page data set on one system for use another create the page data set w

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Jun 2008 10:10:27 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pinnacle) wrote: >Actually, huge disagreement with this. The OP clearly shows that people >overseas are not as skilled (even more skilled? That's a joke). Cheaper, >sure, but you get what you pay for. Communications of the ACM (CACM) just >h

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:42:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Real CCW addresses are also used by the documented EXCPVR interface. True. And you have to get the real addresses correct with EXCPVR, or you will hose storage on read commands. >The biggest

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread John Kington
> - > > > Hello list, > > > > I have some data set's vsam not catalogued and are lost on the disks, > > tried to delete them and I am not able, used the IDCAMS VVR and NVR > > and I am getting the following messages: > > > > --

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 12:10:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have worked for bosses that tried to use terror as a tool! >> Guess we used to call it F.U.D.(fear, uncertainty, doubt), Spiral marketing, corporate espionage, trade secrets, intellectual proper

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ron Hawkins
Read up on the life and times of one Thomas J Watson... (G, D & R) > > Have you > worked for companies that used terror as a weapon or tool? > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EM

Re: Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread Richbourg, Claude
I hope not, since I have all the co-req maintenance on 1.7 for z/OS 1.9. Just way too weird. Claude -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Disa

Re: Recall: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Because I'm one of them old systems programmer who has CRS. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Recall: Data set's lost > -Original Messag

Re: Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richbourg, Claude > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:10 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Disappearing Master Catalog entries. > > This is a strange one and I just opened a PMR with

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
Real CCW addresses are also used by the documented EXCPVR interface. The biggest problem with STARTIO is that there is no allocation, DCB, or OPEN required. All it needs is an IOSB -- which contains pointers to the channel program and UCB. Us

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: ", IBM Mainframe Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... In a message dated 6/12/2008 10:47:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAI

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Scott Rowe
I have worked for bosses that tried to use terror as a tool! >>> Howard Brazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/12/2008 12:49 PM >>> Terrorism is the new word virtually all governments use to label their enemies. But if their tool isn't terror, then it isn't terrorism.Have you worked for companies that

Disappearing Master Catalog entries.

2008-06-12 Thread Richbourg, Claude
This is a strange one and I just opened a PMR with IBM. Scenario: I have a three lpars, one at z/OS 1.9 and two at z/OS 1.7. The 1.9 system is our sandbox area and I am starting the clone of the test lpar to be at 1.9. The driving system has been the sandbox 1.9, which the new master cat is conne

Re: Recall: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bates, Bill (RMV) > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:57 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Recall: Data set's lost > > Bates, Bill (RMV) would like to recall the message, "Data set's

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Maybe you should ask the new "SR Systems Programmer" that just installed z/OS 1.1O -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Tabor Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Data set's lost Perhaps

Recall: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Bates, Bill (RMV) would like to recall the message, "Data set's lost". -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at h

Re: Data set's lost

2008-06-12 Thread Bates, Bill (RMV)
Maybe you should ask the new "SR Systems Programmer" that just installed z/OS 1.1O Bill Bates Sr Systems Programmer EOT IT Services 10 Park Plaza Room 7110 Boston, MA 02116 (617) 973-8906 Cell 617-719-3344 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: SSL Timeout

2008-06-12 Thread Hal Merritt
Perhaps the affected folks are traversing a different network path using different appliances? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SSL Timeo

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:54:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Certainly it isn't required when they only are used as terminals. >> Well the hard drives do fill up with the 'downloads' whether it's music, videos or pictures of the gran kids

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:02 PM [snip] > > I'm looking at this code snippet and wondering: what's the purpose of

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
-- I don't think so. The "best" way (IMO) is to use DESERV and the GET_ALL function. OPEN (INPUT,(INPUT)) DESERV FUNC=GET_ALL, X AREAPTR=DIRECTORY,

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:33:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry. I missed that post. There is also "management terrorism", in which incompetent management blunder their way into eventual dissolution of a good company. I have worked at more than one

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Pinnacle
- Original Message - From: ", IBM Mainframe Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide... In a message dated 6/12/2008 9:39:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Jun 2008 09:48:12 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Peurifoy) wrote: >On the other hand, we used our 3290's and 3174's for better >than 20 years with no problems. We seem to replace PC's about >every 3 years (though that may not be required :-) ). Certainly it isn't required when they only

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
--- On IBM-MAIN, there seem to be very many helpful experts, but at ibmmainframes.com there is a plethora of very inexperienced posters. - At the risk of sounding very arrogant, I say let them stay there. We

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > > > maybe he read a book and declared himself an expert. > --- > Don't bet on it. He doesn't soun

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Jun 2008 09:05:03 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson, Steve) wrote: >>As to the fact of terrorism it will always depend on what kind of >company one will contract. You can always suffer from terrorism from >inside also. Terrorism is the new word virtually all governments use to label thei

Re: 3290 partitions was Re: 3270 Software for Mac

2008-06-12 Thread Richard Peurifoy
Ed Finnell wrote: Somebody gave us a few 3290's many moons ago but not the 3174 feature. So we ended up paying and then we needed another Meg and then we needed the hard disk it kept going downhill. I think they were a major contributor to TN3270 conversion. The fact that IBM held the cash

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
I am writing an assembler program. I have obtained the format 1 dscb for a data set. Is there a way to tell if the PDS or PDSE is empty by using the format 1 dscb? If not, how do you tell if a PDS or PDSE is empty? --

Re: How do I tell if a PDS or PDSE has no members?

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ray Overby wrote: I am writing an assembler program. I have obtained the format 1 dscb for a data set. Is there a way to tell if the PDS or PDSE is empty by using the format 1 dscb? If not, how do you tell if a PDS or PDSE is empty? I'm afraid you'll have to OPEN the data set to find out. (I

Re: EXCP access methos

2008-06-12 Thread Edward Jaffe
(IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote: ... The main danger in using STARTIO is when you build a channel program with real addresses that has read CCWs in it, as you can easily overlay storage that is not yours. Write CCWs will not overlay storage, but you will write the wrong data out to th

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
maybe he read a book and declared himself an expert. --- Don't bet on it. He doesn't sound that bright! :-) -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
-- Apparently management there does not fully comprehend all the implications of "You get what you pay for". If it's a publicly-held firm, I think I'd want to divest.. - GOT THAT RIGHT! About 15 minu

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Rick Fochtman
--- As I mentioned in the past, a friend is losing his job (and looking for the next one) because the company he works for is sending all systems programmer, operations and scheduling, as well as a lot of other non-mainframe, positions, to a firm

Re: Outsourcing dilemma or debacle, you decide...

2008-06-12 Thread Chase, John
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Anne & Lynn Wheeler > > > Howard Brazee writes: > > It seems that more and more, systems programmers either find some > > old-timer to mentor them or they have to shoehorn themselves into > > positions to learn thei

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