On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:36:51 -0500, Brian Peterson
wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:26:54 -0700, Norman Hollander on DesertWiz wrote:
>
>>Very much agree, Brian. You can never predict who will start up another
>>region or when.
>>Of course you may know when the phones start ringing with poor
per
>Per seat or machine capacity does not reflect the value to the buyer;
I disagree with that statement.
While I've not been a big fan of capacity based pricing (because the whole
model sucks), usage basis does make sense.
It's just a matter of what is your usage metric.
Seats, or transactions, ma
Hi Sam,
I haven't seen your name in a long time. Good to see you are still around.
I used to enjoy your articles about my favorite CBTTAPE tool, PDS. I have
PDS85 on our system now. I believe it is a pre Y2K version but still does
the trick. What would you consider new features that would make in
Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
john gilmore schrieb:
declare (pi value(3.14159_26535_89793_23846),
sqrt_pi value(sqrt(pi)) binary float(52) ;
What I find most interesting in this example:
will the sqrt(pi) function call be evaluated at compile time?
I hope so.
I doubt that any optimizer will
Hi Folks,
CBT Tape Version 479 has just been cut. Quite a few changes (52)
have been made in this version (first cut since the beginning of the
year). The www.cbttape.org web site has also been updated in most
places. Use all the stuff well.
All the best of everything to all of
zMan wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Brian Kennelly
wrote, re "days so far in the year" as
a date format:
That is actually a very import format, as well as the full format returned
by the TIME macro: 0cyyddd. (Century, year, days in year.)
Sure, "days this year" can be useful, but d
On 8/16/2010 4:42 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
And: the user of the language should have an idea of the
performance implications
of the language elements he or she uses. I'm not sure, if this
is always the case - especially
with PL/1 and less experienced programmers.
Trite but true - in the late s
On 8/16/2010 2:41 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
Anyone who thinks that owning a software company is a license to print
money: you're free to start one of your own. Ask Dave Salt or any of the
other software entrepreneurs who hang out here just how obscene their
profits are.
It seems to come down to
On 8/16/2010 3:20 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
-
It's best to write code that is readable and maintainable before
worrying about performance.
An appropriate use o
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:26:54 -0700, Norman Hollander on DesertWiz wrote:
>Very much agree, Brian. You can never predict who will start up another
>region or when.
>Of course you may know when the phones start ringing with poor performance
>to find
>your system is paging excessively...
>
>zNorman
Very much agree, Brian. You can never predict who will start up another
region or when.
Of course you may know when the phones start ringing with poor performance
to find
your system is paging excessively...
zNorman
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In a message dated 8/16/2010 4:49:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
brian.peterson.ibm.m...@comcast.net writes:
WLM for example, to periodically set an LFAREA size appropriate for the
now-running workload. Asking me to predict how many large pages I will
need
for the life of my NEXT IPL is a
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:09:04 -0500, Elpida Tzortzatos. wrote:
>I do want to emphasize that even with the APAR, capacity planning needs to
>be done before selecting the LFAREA size. The optimal configuration is when
>there is enough in the 4K memory pool to handle the 4K workload and enough
>in the
I was not advocating having a z/OS DISPLAY command over monitor/reporting
in RMF. Some of the information is monitored by RMF today and RMF will
enhance their support to report the number of available large pages. I think
there is also value in having a quick and handy z/OS command that will giv
>>
Thanks, Sounds encouraging. Lots of tuning opportunities.
In a message dated 8/16/2010 12:51:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
elp...@us.ibm.com writes:
I am working with RMF to open an APAR that would provide at least some of
the information you described below. In addition I am lookin
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
> I have often worked in places where the documentation was not
> maintained. That made the original documentation misleading.
Sure, but that's not an excuse for not trying. When the lead architect
steps in front of a bus (or even just leave
On 16 Aug 2010 12:35:09 -0700, zedgarhoo...@gmail.com (zMan) wrote:
>Alas, not a joke with too many folks. I heard a VP of Engineering with
>a PhD in Computer Science tell his team not to comment "because the
>comments might not describe what the code actually does". Apparently
>his degree didn't
john gilmore schrieb:
declare (pi value(3.14159_26535_89793_23846),
sqrt_pi value(sqrt(pi)) binary float(52) ;
What I find most interesting in this example:
will the sqrt(pi) function call be evaluated at compile time?
I hope so.
What I expect from an optimizing compiler, is, at least,
What I used to tell customers is that if you bought a bigger box it must be
because your business is growing or you are utilizing your mainframe to give
you more business benefits, and as a result we would like to think that the
benefit you are getting from our software is increasing also. We don't
As I said, with widgets everyone agrees the right price is some markup on
manufacturing costs. With software it is very tough to find a pricing model
that customer perceive as fair. Believe me, vendors want to! No one comes up
with a pricing model based on "boy, this'll really get our sales guys an
Hopefully you do also, asking in salary what the going price is, rather than
a little more than it actually costs you to drive to work, plus lunch money.
Hopefully good managers procure equipment, software, and staff based on
benefits and ROI, not bells, whistles, or how good it looks in a tight
s
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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
> >Or has the practice of commenting code come into disrepute?
>
> Real programmers don't document code.
> It was hard to write, so it should be hard to read!
>
> (8-{]}
>
>
> A joke!
Or perhaps real managers don't allow their programmers enough time during
development to produce documentation? Real sales and marketing people pressure
the development managers to shove undocumented (but more or less debugged) code
out the door? Real CEOs want faster and larger ROI? Real sto
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
>>Or has the practice of commenting code come into disrepute?
> Real programmers don't document code.
> It was hard to write, so it should be hard to read!
> (8-{]}
> A joke!
Alas, not a joke with too many folks. I heard a VP of Engineering w
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BTW: similar pricing models can be observed in other businesses,
examples: tire change in Jeep costs more than in van or truck (here, in
Lodz). Cabel TV connection fee depends on your house "size" the larger
t
>Or has the practice of commenting code come into disrepute?
Real programmers don't document code.
It was hard to write, so it should be hard to read!
(8-{]}
A joke!
-
I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation!
Kimota!
-
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That's another problem that people point out when they contact me. I
can't believe some of the prices that companies charge for their
"upgrades". I still have a problem understanding why it should cost more
to run a product
-
It's best to write code that is readable and maintainable before
worrying about performance.
An appropriate use of comments can make ANY code understandable.
This is just curiousity on my part. Does the millicode for a processor reside
on the TCM in a special memory area, similar to L1 cache? Or in a shared memory
area on the TCM? Or in HSA?
If it resides in L1 cache type memory, then I would think that a millicoded
routine would execute faster than
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: z/XDC announcement: Release z1.12 is now
> available for beta test
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12
IMHO- needs to be in RMF and/or monitor. DISPLAY commands are not good for
being proactive.
zNorman
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of Michael Wickman
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 Monday 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sub
Anyone who thinks that owning a software company is a license to print
money: you're free to start one of your own. Ask Dave Salt or any of the
other software entrepreneurs who hang out here just how obscene their
profits are.
Everyone rails against capacity pricing, but what's the alternative? Wh
I am working with RMF to open an APAR that would provide at least some of
the information you described below. In addition I am looking at providing a
z/OS DISPLAY command to report on the LFAREA size, amount used, amount
available, and how much has been converted to 4K. A high water mark of lar
Sounds like a future health check item.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Elpida Tzortzatos.
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:52 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Anyone Using z10 Large Pages in anger
I
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:48 PM, David Cole wrote:
> z/XDC release z1.12 is now available for beta testing. Major new features
> include:
> - New z/Enterprise machine instructions (planned)
I know I'm gonna regret this, but: that's zEnterprise. It's hardware.
--
zMan -- "I've got a mainframe
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:44:35 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote:
>IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 08/16/2010
>10:06:27 AM:
>
>> For postmortem action items, I want the SYSMDUMP DDs removed
>> or not to point to sysout. But I was wondering if there was any reason
>I am
>> not thinking of that the DA
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:51:46 -0500, Elpida Tzortzatos.
wrote:
>I am working with RMF to open an APAR that would provide at least some of
>the information you described below. In addition I am looking at providing a
>z/OS DISPLAY command to report on the LFAREA size, amount used, amount
>available
I understand and somewhat agree with your logic. What hurts us is that we
upgrade a CPU so that we can run more of software that is written in-house. And
now some vendors want a lump sum "upgrade" fee as well as an increased monthly
license fee. Despite the fact that we aren't using their partic
In a message dated 8/16/2010 12:09:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
elp...@us.ibm.com writes:
On the flip side of the coin if you under specify the LFAREA size you may
be
giving up some large page performance benefits.
DOC APAR OA34024 has been opened to provide some guidance on how to
si
Bob,
As I posted in my previous append, APAR OA31116 and z/OS 1.12 base
support address this issue. Also the severity of this APAR has been raised to a
SEV 1.
I do want to emphasize that even with the APAR, capacity planning needs to
be done before selecting the LFAREA size. The optimal confi
The impetus for large page exploitation is well documented. I have discussed
this at length at both SHARE and CMG conferences. Also you can reference
the papers below which describe specific success stories for JAVA and z/OS
http://www-
304.ibm.com/jct09002c/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandl
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 02:24:30 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote:
>That's another problem that people point out when they contact me. I can't
>believe some of the prices that companies charge for their "upgrades". I
>still have a problem understanding why it should cost more to run a product
>on a fast
z/XDC release z1.12 is now available for beta testing. Major new
features include:
- SRB debugging support improvements
- New reporting commands regarding access lists and data spaces
- The ability to access (display and zap) data spaces that
previously were not accessible
- Improve
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 06:11:00 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
>
>Not honestly. If the code is intended to deal with a computation of
>gamma functions, then I would regard the *first* form as needlessly
>obscure. I might buy
>
>declare (pi value(3.14159_26535_89793_23846),
> sqrt_pi value(
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 08/16/2010
10:06:27 AM:
> For postmortem action items, I want the SYSMDUMP DDs removed
> or not to point to sysout. But I was wondering if there was any reason
I am
> not thinking of that the DAE SYSMDUMP setting can't be changed to
suppress
> duplicates
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:01:49 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
>
>The point of Shmuel's comment, of course, is that the one most common,
>unavoidable-in-MVS place where dates of the form yyddd were in
>wide-scale use was in SMF accounting records. The format there is
>packed-decimal, so hex digits are o
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:06:27 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote:
>For postmortem action items, I want the SYSMDUMP DDs removed
>or not to point to sysout. But I was wondering if there was any reason I am
>not thinking of that the DAE SYSMDUMP setting can't be changed to suppress
>duplicates like SVCDUMP?
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
wrote:
> Check in your SMTP procs CONFIG file and see if you have a IPMAILERNAME
> statement in it. That's what we use at my site to route (offload) all outgoing
> email through.
Might also be able to telnet to port 25 and see if it identifie
Check in your SMTP procs CONFIG file and see if you have a IPMAILERNAME
statement in it. That's what we use at my site to route (offload) all outgoing
email through.
Thanks,
Mark Regan
From: George Rodriguez
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2
The support to address the issue where 1MB pages were not used for 4K when
there was a real storage shortage for 4K frames was fixed in z/OS 1.12 and
IBM opened APAR OA31116 to ship this fix for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11.
Today we updated the APAR description to be clear and concise as to what
t
Can anyone point me where I can find out the name of the server when
email is routed from my z10?
Thanks in advance for the help.
George Rodriguez
Specialist II - IT Solutions
Application Support / Quality Assurance
PX - 47652
(561) 357-7652 (office)
(561) 707-3496 (mobile)
School Dis
The latch set happens to be obtained in subpool 229 of the caller's
primary address space.
My guess is that in some way or other the value passed in was not for 6
entries.
Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design
Peter,
Looking at the trace table from a dump created at the time o
My client had a situation last week where a script was executing a
DB2 stored procedure to load some data into a QA data base. The
program abended at each invocation and it had 5000 loads to do.
It looked like recursive abends at the time (we found out later it
was a script doing 5000 loads).
F
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:27:09 +, Bob Shannon
wrote:
>> Right now because of the "bug" I wrote about in a previous post, it just
takes a lot more
>planning than it should have
>
>What was the resolution of the Sev 1? BAD? I can understand something not
working correctly, but I can't understand
Bob Shannon wrote:
>I thought you saved your rants for Fridays.
Ranting is still more or less free on Blue Mondays... ;-D
;-D
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht
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McKown, John pisze:
I was told that today's obscene software prices goes back to the consolidation timeframe. Many shops were around back then and each paying a separate license fee. Then, huge "service bureaus" opened up and many shops consolidate to few. And the few then "multiplexed" their soft
> I was told that today's obscene software prices goes back to the
> consolidation timeframe.
> Many shops were around back then and each paying a separate license fee.
> Then, huge >"service bureaus" opened up and many shops consolidate to few.
> And the few then >"multiplexed" their software
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:56 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: date formats]
>
> In <1281901727.14657.141.ca...@mckown5.johnmckown.
I was told that today's obscene software prices goes back to the consolidation
timeframe. Many shops were around back then and each paying a separate license
fee. Then, huge "service bureaus" opened up and many shops consolidate to few.
And the few then "multiplexed" their software licenses to a
Hello Bob,
Yep, your guess was right, IBM's server(s) was/were down.
The URLs are working fine now.
cheers,
jan
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Bob Rutledge wrote:
> Jan Vanbrabant wrote:
>
>> *Re. *
>>
>> *Where can the 3 (or more) volumes of
>> *GA22-7820-xx z/OS and z/OS.e DOC APAR and PTF
> Right now because of the "bug" I wrote about in a previous post, it just
> takes a lot more
planning than it should have
What was the resolution of the Sev 1? BAD? I can understand something not
working correctly, but I can't understand it not working correctly forever.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Sof
Hi
Cross posting here as well from another discussion list..It might be
interesting
to check this session.
Regards
Meral
Subject:
WLM update session - SHARE Boston 2010
From:
Meral Temel
Reply-To:
MXG Software LIST
Date:
Mon, 16 Aug 2010 06:29:16 -0400
Content-Type:
tex
In , on 08/15/2010
at 06:39 PM, john gilmore said:
>Arguing against 'readable and maintainable' code is very like arguing
>against motherhood, but this phrase nevertheless begs important
>questions. Simple is good, simplistic is bad. It is too easy to
>argue that something will someday be mi
In <1281901727.14657.141.ca...@mckown5.johnmckown.net>, on 08/15/2010
at 02:48 PM, John McKown said:
>Believe it or not, our 20xx dates are encoded x'9A001' for 2000,
Which would imply that you had to track down every program that did
arithmetic on dates.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
That's another problem that people point out when they contact me. I can't
believe some of the prices that companies charge for their "upgrades". I
still have a problem understanding why it should cost more to run a product
on a faster machine than on a slower one. I think someone in IBM marketi
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