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Subject: Re: 3490 off maintenance June 30 2007
On 2 Apr 2007 07:19:16 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pommier, Rex
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>At 14:47 -0500 on 03/30/2007, Pommier, Rex R. wrote about Re: 3490 off
>maintenance June 30 2007:
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off maintenance June 30 2007
At 14:47 -0500 on 03/30/2007, Pommier, Rex R. wrote about Re: 3490 off
maintenance June 30 2007:
> And, before somebody tells me to just append the logs to a larger
>capacity tape, I can't. We have a purchased package that requires each
>of the
Welcome to the real world, R.S. I gather that the environment or
industry in which you work hasn't been doing business data processing
for enough years for entrenchment of old technology to be an issue.
Over the next 20+ years you will perhaps understand some of the issues
I've been raising af
At 17:15 -0500 on 03/31/2007, Joel C. Ewing wrote about Re: 3490 off
maintenance June 30 2007:
However, you do need to understand that stacking files needed for
recovery purposes on a tape already containing recovery data does
put the previous data at greater risk. Mechanical drives and
In a recent note, R.S. said:
> Subject: Re: 3490 off maintenance June 30 2007
>
> Procedures can be changed. It's really no big deal. Insted of mounting
> tape (MANUAL PROCEDURE!) a DVD is inserted into a drive. It can be even
> better automated than with the tape. Im
Joel C. Ewing wrote:
[...]
Yes, DVD capacity is greater than the compressed capacity of a 3490
cartridge and cheaper than a 3490 cartridge, but ...
few shops have the capability of writing or reading DVD data to or from
MVS without manual file transfer being done by someone, versus tape
availab
copy of the data somewhere (possibly on another stacked tape)
that you can fall back to, just to cover that eventuality and prevent
data loss.
Robert A. Rosenberg wrote:
At 14:47 -0500 on 03/30/2007, Pommier, Rex R. wrote about Re: 3490 off
maintenance June 30 2007:
And, before somebody
First, lets clear up one thing: For most MVS shops this is a non issue.
The 3490 drives going off maintenance are not models that were most
widely used by MVS shops. The Fxx models are the somewhat peculiar
models (previously discussed in this forum) that actually have the
hardware capabilit
This is second hand hearsay, but from a usually impeccable source:
Are you aware that 3480/3490 media is longer being manufactured?
IMATION has a bit over 300,000 units available and no more will be
manufactured.
BTW, IMATION expects the current inventory to be sufficient through
2009.
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
We used 3490 E models for all of our production at P&H Mining until they closed
the datacenter a year ago. They worked well, although I noticed that the failure
rate of jobs was up slightly over when the drives where newer. We never got them
new, but then the 3480s that
At 14:47 -0500 on 03/30/2007, Pommier, Rex R. wrote about Re: 3490
off maintenance June 30 2007:
And, before somebody tells me to just append the logs to a
larger capacity tape, I can't. We have a purchased package that
requires each of the log files to be in a separate dataset for ni
Hopefully this is better aligned.
IBM U.S. Sales Manual
IBM U.S. Product Life Cycle Dates
Type ModelAnnounced AvailableMarketingService
WithdrawnDiscontinued
3480-A22 1988/04/01 1989/12/19 1991/05/20
>I just got this announcement that the 3490-F1A (and others) will be
>going off maintenance services on June 30, 2007.
>
I>t seems to me that 3 months is rather short notice that you can't get
>service from IBM (I know you can probably get 3rd party maint). What if
>you have a long term contract?
nt: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:15 PM
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In a message dated 3/30/2007 2:47:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would also mention quality of IBM service. I don't know worse. And
more expensive.
>&
In a message dated 3/30/2007 2:47:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would also mention quality of IBM service. I don't know worse. And
more expensive.
>>
Definitely not my experience. Head and shoulders above rest. Trained and
educated and supply chain to back i
Radoslaw wrote:
My english is to poor to be tendentious, make allusions, etc. In Polish
I also prefer straightforward speaking.
Regarding to the question: 3490E are so small-capacity, so it is simply
too slow and to small for nowadays requirement. Yes, I know there are
small shops somewhere -
We used 3490 E models for all of our production at P&H Mining until they closed
the datacenter a year ago. They worked well, although I noticed that the
failure rate of jobs was up slightly over when the drives where newer. We
never got them new, but then the 3480s that we had when we got the
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maintenance June 30 2007
Hum, the email address that I get from you is not masked in the email
headers coming from the list. I don't know why the other person's email
would show your headers. But your headers are coming through to me, but
hopefully not being resent by me. Unfortunately, being
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> After all the di
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> Wish I could share my cust
Sorry!!!
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After all the discussion on this list about masking email ad
supporting them
while the aircraft are still serviceable?
Barry Schwarz
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From: Richard Pinion [mailto:snip]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:58 AM
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Wish I could share my customer list, but it's a Who's Who of America, and
99% of them still send me 3490 tapes.
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Subject: Re: 3490 off maintenance June 30 2007
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:51:31 -0700
Since the salary pays my mortgage and our contracts exceed eight digits,
I think I qualify as serious. 3490s are the most advanced method of
data exchange we have with our customers. At least one cannot accept
Since the salary pays my mortgage and our contracts exceed eight digits,
I think I qualify as serious. 3490s are the most advanced method of
data exchange we have with our customers. At least one cannot accept
anything more modern than 3480s. Since they pay the freight, we apply
the golden rule.
Shane wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:18:04 +0200, R.S. wrote:
Does any *serious* customer still use 3490 for production ?
Sure.
All non-IBM tape libraries. They may be genned as 3590, but (as you
know) different physical media.
In PacBasin IBM won't ship ServerPac nor new product orders via Sh
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote:
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Ken Porowski wrote:
I just got this announcement that the 3490-F1A (and others) will be
going off maintenance services on June 30, 2007.
It seems to me that 3 months is rather short notice tha
On 3/30/07, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Have you told them about DVD recorders ?
DVD's wouldn't do a thing for me.
Yeah, I know, they are customers, they decide... I know a datacenter in
Poland, they received reels (not carts) until 2002, afaik. The reels
were replaced with ftp.
I di
Mark Pace wrote:
I disagree. I receive 10 to 20 tapes every week from our customers. 99%
of all tapes I receive are 3480/3490. It is rare for a customer to
send us
a 3590.
Sorry, I should have also mentioned I have several hundred customers, not
just a couple that send me the same kind
I disagree. I receive 10 to 20 tapes every week from our customers. 99%
of all tapes I receive are 3480/3490. It is rare for a customer to send us
a 3590.
Sorry, I should have also mentioned I have several hundred customers, not
just a couple that send me the same kind tape each time.
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On 3/30/07, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:18:04 +0200, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Does any *serious* customer still use 3490 for production ?
As the default, no. But we still have to create some files on 3490 to
send off site. There is always talk of try
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:18:04 +0200, R.S.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does any *serious* customer still use 3490 for production ?
What's your definition of "serious"? We are a small shop that uses
3490s every day for production use. Fortunately they are a model C22,
not one falling off mainte
"R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Ken Porowski wrote:
> > I just got this announcement that the 3490-F1A (and others) will be
> > going off maintenance services on June 30, 2007.
> >
> > It seems to me that 3 months is rather short notice that you can't
ge
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:18:04 +0200, R.S. wrote:
>
> Does any *serious* customer still use 3490 for production ?
Sure.
All non-IBM tape libraries. They may be genned as 3590, but (as you
know) different physical media.
In PacBasin IBM won't ship ServerPac nor new product orders via Shopz.
3490(E)
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:18:04 +0200, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does any *serious* customer still use 3490 for production ?
As the default, no. But we still have to create some files on 3490 to
send off site. There is always talk of trying to get everything to use FTP,
but that has been go
3480 still under maintenance.
Subject: Re: 3490 off maintenance June 30 2007
Ken Porowski wrote:
> I just got this announcement that the 3490-F1A (and others) will be
> going off maintenance services on June 30, 2007.
>
> It seems to me that 3 months is rather short notice that you ca
Ken Porowski wrote:
I just got this announcement that the 3490-F1A (and others) will be
going off maintenance services on June 30, 2007.
It seems to me that 3 months is rather short notice that you can't get
service from IBM (I know you can probably get 3rd party maint). What if
you have a long
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> Subject: 3490 off maintenance June 30 2007
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> I just got this announcement that the
I just got this announcement that the 3490-F1A (and others) will be
going off maintenance services on June 30, 2007.
It seems to me that 3 months is rather short notice that you can't get
service from IBM (I know you can probably get 3rd party maint). What if
you have a long term contract? Am I
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