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at 07:35 AM, Petersen, Jim jim_peter...@homedepot.com said:
We had Milton Wylbur at an Air Force Installation I used to work at.
I might believe Milten and Wylbur.
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I suspect he may
Time to re-Subject this thread tangential to the OP.
There were many posts regarding the history of WYLBUR and SUPERWYLBUR a few
years ago, some of which were by the same posters (Gerhard, Shmuel, me, e.g.).
Check the archives for more gory details of who did what in whose back yard and
when.
In 4b89f3d6.60...@valley.net, on 02/27/2010
at 11:40 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said:
AFAIK, IBM distributed a type 3 program named RACS (Remote
Access Computing System) in the mid sixties; Boston University modified
that to develop RAX; and McGill modified it to MUSIC.
I
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On 26 February 2010 00:59, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am kind
In 4b86e013.4030...@ync.net, on 02/25/2010
at 02:39 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said:
That's true but I've actually seen at least one shop that converted
WYLBUR to a TSO Command Processor.
NIH Wylbur would run as a TSO command. But that's a far cry from equating
a PL/I interface to
In 777310.24922...@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com, on 02/25/2010
at 09:59 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said:
I am kind of surprised that I have not seen MUSIC (sp?).
I do not remember the history other than I think the University of
Toronto (i think they picked up from University Mcgill.
In 995242624f0873419e71e8ce2105c5e5cd0eb2d...@exmail01.scwf.nsc.com, on
02/25/2010
at 03:10 PM, Donnelly, John P john.p.donne...@nsc.com said:
...anybody play with INTERACT?
Wasn't that basically SLAC Wylbur? As I recall, OBS bought out the vendor
and merged products, then got bought out in
On 2/27/2010 8:53 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In777310.24922...@web54602.mail.re2.yahoo.com, on 02/25/2010
at 09:59 PM, Ed Gouldps2...@yahoo.com said:
I am kind of surprised that I have not seen MUSIC (sp?).
I do not remember the history other than I think the University of
On 26 February 2010 00:59, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am kind of surprised that I have not seen MUSIC (sp?).
I do not remember the history other than I think the University of Toronto (i
think they picked up from University Mcgill. Not sure at all
I suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to
WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it.
Did anyone use it other than Stanford?
WYLBUR was used at University of Cincinnati in the mid 80's when I was learning
to program. Much better for an imperfect typist
more than zero and less than
hundred (boolean logic queries tended to be bimodel out around six or
seven tokens, switching from hundreds of thousands to zero).
past posts in this thread:
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Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 8:10 AM
I suspect he may have meant
ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to
WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about
it.
Did anyone use it other than Stanford?
WYLBUR was used
Well, we seem to have totally hijacked this thread, so I'll chime in:
UofWaterloo used Wylbur heavily for a long time. When explaining to someone how
to do something that involves using an editor to make a change, I still find
myself adding nolist occasionally, as in, OK, you need to change x
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I used WYLBUR (or maybe SuperWYLBUR) in the late 1970s at a time-sharing
company in the Washington DC area. I do not remember the name
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 19:44 -0500, jack.hamil...@kp.org wrote:
I think there was another commercial
version called Interact from Online Business Systems
Yeah, this comes up every couple of years here. See:
http://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@bama.ua.edu/msg45818.html
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I suspect he may have meant
ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to
WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote:
Possibly Comnet?
Or SkyNet. :-)
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WYLBUR was used by Stanford and SLAC, and by some
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I suspect he may have meant ORVYL
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On 25 Feb 2010 05:11:20 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
I suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to
WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it.
Did anyone use it other than Stanford?
WYLBUR was used at University of Cincinnati in the mid 80's
In of944d7ba7.8f7e3a16-on082576d5.0002c212-082576d5.0003f...@kp.org, on
02/24/2010
at 04:44 PM, jack.hamil...@kp.org said:
WYLBUR was used by Stanford and SLAC, and by some other academic
institutions.
Wylbur was used by a lot of shops, but I'm not aware of anyone else using
ORVYL.
There's
I get a lot of these editors mixed up now. I have used several.
The last one my current shop used was SYSD, we got rid of it because
it was the only application we had using CICS, and CICS was expensive
for that one application.
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suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to
WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it.
Did anyone use it other than Stanford?
--unsnip
We
snip--
The phrase WYLBUR/TSO confirms my suspicion that someone was very
confused; the two are very different animals.
---unsnip
That's true but I've actually seen at least one shop that
snip--
We used WYLBUR (I THINK OBS version) at Westinghouse Lamp Divisions on a
360/65. I had been given to understand that ORVYL (sp.?) was the TP
monitor portion of WYLBUR.
In 23b13969513a9846a621a4620543d4f9649086a...@cdcmw12e.na.convergys.com,
on 02/25/2010
at 08:10 AM, John Kington john.king...@convergys.com said:
WYLBUR was used at University of Cincinnati in the mid 80's when I was
learning to program. Much better for an imperfect typist like me than the
In m68do5d0gjn26rqa65p57kh5s29qnqc...@4ax.com, on 02/25/2010
at 12:11 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said:
We used WYLBUR (I THINK OBS version) at Westinghouse Lamp Divisions on a
360/65. I had been given to understand that ORVYL (sp.?) was the TP
monitor portion of WYLBUR.
No,
In 4b864c46.8489.00d...@joann.com, on 02/25/2010
at 10:09 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com said:
Possibly Comnet?
They used Wylbur on the EPA system, but they used a homegrown system
called Alpha on their commercial system.
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at 08:11 AM, Longnecker, Dennis dennis.longnec...@courts.wa.gov
said:
I don't know if this is a good thing or not,
Does making me jealous make it a bad thing?
but we still run SuperWylbur
That's good for
Now to get silly...
For the truely indecisive... it is possible to stand on the corner of
Wilbur and Roscoe in Los Angeles
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:09 PM, John Mattson john_matt...@ea.epson.comwrote:
Now to get silly...
For the truely indecisive... it is possible to stand on the corner of
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Well that was coordinated -- a double misfire, hit Reply instead of Next and
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:36 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:09 PM, John Mattson
john_matt...@ea.epson.comwrote:
Now to get silly...
I'm pretty sure we ran Wylbur on the commercial system (a NAS 8043) in at least
1985-86, and I believe it was available for all customers, though I'm not a
Wylbur expert. Alpha was also available, though it may have been running on
the 3033. Alpha was a bit more archaic than Wylbur. IIRC, it
On 2/25/2010 8:39 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Two different products, eventually under one roof. Gerhard, can you give a
blow by blow history?
AFAIK, Wylbur was started at SLAC by Paul Anderson, John
Borgelt, and Roger Fajman (possibly as a thesis work). I'm not
sure how many
On 2/25/2010 3:39 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
That's true but I've actually seen at least one shop that converted
WYLBUR to a TSO Command Processor. The logic of doing that excapes me
completely...
Wylbur has the most powerful LIST and CHANGE commands around;
some installations might consider
I am kind of surprised that I have not seen MUSIC (sp?).
I do not remember the history other than I think the University of Toronto (i
think they picked up from University Mcgill. Not sure at all about that.
Somewhere around 1995 there was a company here in
I have seen a version of Adventure written in Basic. I still have that
somewhere at home. Just the listing, never got around to typing it in.
Take my advice. I'm not using it. :-)
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at 05:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Would you be surprised if someone had an EMACS version?
No.
Would you be surprised if no one had an EMACS version?
No.
EMACS is a wonderful operating system; all that it's
In of9f900a3a.e257dd9e-on882576d3.00708cc7-882576d3.0071e...@kp.org, on
02/23/2010
at 12:44 PM, jack.hamil...@kp.org said:
And I liked WYLBUR.
My problem is that I like features in several different editors[1],
including SuperWylbur©, but no single editor combines all of them. I
prefer line
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Remember that TICO moon-lander?
TECO?
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In 4b831351.8030...@neo.tamu.edu, on 02/22/2010
at 05:29 PM, Richard Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu said:
I suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to
WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it.
Did anyone use it other than Stanford?
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In m3fx4s3kja@garlic.com, on 02/22/2010
at 06:42 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said:
from the file ...
The phrase WYLBUR/TSO confirms my suspicion that someone was very
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I think there was a version that offloaded some of the work to a 7171
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That's quite enough of THAT kind of talk. Some of us have permanent scars
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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
I know what a TSO version is, but how could you have a Wylbur version
written in PL/I? Wylbur didn't support any language other than its
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My recollection is that someone at Stanford wrote replacement modules for
all the PL/I modules that did I/O so they would run under ORVYL. When
someone created
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I suspect that what Tymshare had was a PDP-10, or maybe the older PDP
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from above, URL for Crowther's original source code for Adventure (as
recovered from Don Woods's student account at
On 2/23/2010 3:44 PM, jack.hamil...@kp.org wrote:
I used SAIL (and some other language, don't remember which now) on the
LOTS machine mentioned in the DEC-10 messages below. I really liked
TOPS-20. Then I really liked VM/CMS and XEDIT. And I liked WYLBUR. I
guess it's my fate to like doomed
In m31vghaxi4@garlic.com, on 02/19/2010
at 01:30 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said:
Tymshare had gotten a copy from sail/stanford and put it up on their pdp
machine ... and then ported it from pdp (fortran) to vm/cms (fortran).
DEC had a bunch of unrelated machines with PD in
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
I know what a TSO version is, but how could you have a Wylbur version
written in PL/I? Wylbur didn't support any language other than its own
command/macro language.
from the file ...
WELLPUT TITLE 'W E L L P U T -- WYLBUR/TSO
On 2/22/2010 5:17 PM, Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote:
Inm31vghaxi4@garlic.com, on 02/19/2010
at 01:30 PM, Anne Lynn Wheelerl...@garlic.com said:
Tymshare had gotten a copy from sail/stanford and put it up on their pdp
machine ... and then ported it from pdp (fortran) to vm/cms
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:08:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
I know what a TSO version is, but how could you have a Wylbur version
written in PL/I? Wylbur didn't support any language other than its own
command/macro language.
Would you be surprised if someone had an EMACS version?
Would
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On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Gabrial:
I used to have a copy of Adventure that worked fine under MVS (albeit 30
years ago). Its been ages since I have thought about it. A fellow sysprog
did the fortran conversion and we actually (at one time)
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also remember The Death Ray has backfired and the entropy of the
Enterprise has been maximized. Perhaps you'll be more cautious in your
next life. :-)
I think Darren had a C version going
i personally preferred the replacement ship - the Fairie Queene F
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Plurgh!
That's plugh. :-)
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Someone actually keeps their email from 1978?
You should write a book on leading an organized life!
some bits pieces
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in the late 70s I had done cmsback that was then deployed at several
internal locations ... a couple old email mentioning CMSBACK
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#cmsback
and various posts mentioning cmsback, backup
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find the tape you are certainly welcome to it.
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Gabrial:
I used to have a copy of Adventure that worked fine under MVS (albeit 30
years ago). Its been ages since I have thought about it. A fellow sysprog
did the fortran conversion and we actually (at one time) had a map to
At 19:02 +0100 on 02/19/2010, Thomas Berg wrote about Adventure - Or
Colossal Cave Adventure:
As it's Friday: Does anyone know where You can get a copy
of the Adventure game that originally was written by
Will Crowther and eventually for S/370 ?
I had once a copy but it seems have gone
As it's Friday: Does anyone know where You can get a copy
of the Adventure game that originally was written by
Will Crowther and eventually for S/370 ?
I had once a copy but it seems have gone to the bit-bucket.
Preferably one that is faithful to the original.
(And runnable on z/OS.)
You are
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As it's Friday: Does anyone know where You can get a copy of the
Adventure game that originally was written by Will Crowther and
eventually for S/370 ?
I had once
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As it's Friday: Does anyone know where You can get a copy
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Here is a site that has several versions, including the original PDP-10
FORTRAN source.
http
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You mean the PL/I one? I have it and the ISPF stats id field says
CBT249.
I haven't checked to see if its still there.
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Preferably one that is faithful to the
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