Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:
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I know many large companies such as IBM have computers in the countries
they do business in. I'm not counting that as offshoring, as I'm sure
they use the computers in other countries to support their business in
those countries. I'm talking about offshoring to
Everybody talks about moving to low cost countries. Here in Central
Europe we have different situations. Banks, industries etc are bought
by international companies and their datacenters are then consolidated
to mother countries like Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, which
are *much* more
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Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:
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I know many large companies such as IBM have computers in the countries
Yes, The prices are higher in Europe. For software hardware as well.
It is not subject of taxes, I'm talking about net prices. It's also not
an issue of customs (border taxes).
BTW: taxes are higher.
Of course total cost of ownership includes hardware and software fees,
and many other
Sounds like asymmetrical economic warfare to me.
Nigel
On 19/6/06 14:11, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, The prices are higher in Europe. For software hardware as well.
It is not subject of taxes, I'm talking about net prices. It's also not
an issue of customs (border taxes).
BTW: taxes
Of course, the ideal situation would be for everyone to keep their
business in their home country, wouldn't it? But if someone higher up sees
a way to save some money by moving production of any kind, it's hard to
refute. I can remember back in the 70s when there was a major stink
because a
Phil Payne wrote:
But the last time I looked, IBM software (especially middleware like DB2) was
substantially
cheaper in the USA than it was in the UK. Around CICS and DB2, we're talking a
third or so.
Let's verify that assertion...
In the USA, IBMLink shows the standard VWLC for
Corporate costs = Infrastructure + Peopleware + Software + Hardware + Taxes
It is kinda of complex economics equation followed by strategic and
management poit-of-view
Conclusion: nobody knows who is right and whats the correct solution,
and the CIO have to feel to where the wind is
Eric N. Bielefeld wrote:
After reading about the offshoring failure, I had another question about
offshoring. Does anyone know of a company that has actually moved their
computers to another country, and offshored the whole shootin match?
I'm thinking mostly MVS sites, but other large
The question still remains (as posed by the N.Y.Times) when are we going to
off-shore or outsource the CEO/CIO
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You bring up an interesting point though, that some software prices are
different in different countries.
They are indeed, and that's true for nearly all vendors. But it's hardly
surprising, because nearly every other product has different prices in
different countries, so why should software
What are the UK prices? How about Europe?
UK is part of Europe, geographically as well as politically
(they are part of the EU), isn't it?
I would not expect a single price for all European countries.
There sure are differences as with any other goods (as someone
else pointed out).
Peter
Peter,
Sorry, Fog in the channel, Europe cut off.
Chris Mason
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What
The problem as I see it (at least in my shop) is that the work ethic of
the existing workers is very high so that when the outsourced staff have
problems the US based staff pick up the slack with out a problem. This
leads to an impression that the outsourced staff are doing better than
in reality
Software costs really get my goat - having spent a lot of time and effort
dealing with vendors in the past.
the quotes list is most of the 'usual suspects'
however like the film non of them are the real culprit
viz:-
There are myriad reasons in the case of software, including differing:
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Hunkeler Peter (KIUB 34) wrote:
What are the UK prices? How about Europe?
UK is part of Europe, geographically as well as politically
(they are part of the EU), isn't it?
I would not expect a single price for all European countries.
There sure are differences as with any other goods (as
I don't have access to IBM's current UK prices, but if anyone has and wants to
use me as an
anonymising buffer, I'm happy to do that.
It's better to price up a complete DB2 system - not just a primary licence but
also the little
bits and pieces that most people use. The reason is that prices
After reading about the offshoring failure, I had another question about
offshoring. Does anyone know of a company that has actually moved their
computers to another country, and offshored the whole shootin match? I'm
thinking mostly MVS sites, but other large operations such as Unix sites
What if the target country were the USA?
I haven't checked current data, and it's too much of an effort - in this
instance - to get my
facts right.
But the last time I looked, IBM software (especially middleware like DB2) was
substantially
cheaper in the USA than it was in the UK. Around CICS
The seriously evaluating phrase is key. I would think the same
considerations would apply there as any any offshoring scenario, not forgetting
the whole two countries separated by a common language issue. The technical
challenges would perhaps not be very big; the legal and political problems
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What if the target country were the USA?
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On Jun 15, 2006, at 5:18 PM, Phil Payne wrote:
What if the target country were the USA?
I haven't checked current data, and it's too much of an effort - in
this instance - to get my
facts right.
But the last time I looked, IBM software (especially middleware
like DB2) was substantially
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