On 15 Apr 2007 06:09:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shmuel
Metz , Seymour J.) wrote:
That's the classic example, but there are many others. M$ seems to be
in love with the concept of active documents and never takes security
into account when they extend a format to include executable content.
I
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/11/2007
at 06:42 AM, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm not sure I follow you there, Shmuel. If an installation writes
their own applications (not so much today as in the past, due to
pre-packaged off-the-shelf apps), that's user-supplied code. Or
do you
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/09/2007
at 03:21 PM, Bruno Sugliani [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
As for security , there are more hackers in the world than MVS
sysprogs or MVS installation on this earth .
MVS applications do not normally run user-supplied code; m$
applications do. That's the main
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
You really start and stop CICS every day? We would get shot if we tried that.
We do.
I hate it, but we have a bunch of jobs that cannot run with CICS up!
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
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One of them is a batch processor that can talk to CICS, telling it to close
files, open files, etc.
All well and good, but the snarl called production data is so complex that we
would never be able to find a combo that can close the appropriate files and
still allow something to run!
The app
On 9 Apr 2007 17:37:45 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Mason)
wrote:
This reminds me of a question I was asked while grubbing for a grant to
take me through university:
Why is it absurd to say there are no two trees in the world with the same
number of leaves?
I guess there are lots of absurd
You really start and stop CICS every day? We would get shot if we tried that.
Jon
snip
It is difficult when one is stopping and restarting CICS everyday to compare
apples with apples
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You really start
or change the automation schedules.
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Tim said
Re: Bruno's point about VMware, you can't overpower X86's
limitations with processor horsepower, and modern IFLs are pretty
decent
in sheer number crunching ability anyway.
I am not sure what you're saying here Tim. There's a wide spectrum of
processor horsepower available within the
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:29:20 -0400, Jon Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You really start and stop CICS every day? We would get shot if we tried that.
Jon
Let me be more precise :
NO !
But i do it every night :-)) i am just a bit luckier than you .
It just depends on what your shop is doing ,
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:05:42 +0900, Timothy Sipples
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h Even with VMware we're just not seeing
processor utilizations going up all that much in real world experience (as
evidenced perhaps by Bruno's 240 servers :-)).
Who cares about cpu utilisation as far as there remain
In
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on 04/09/2007
at 10:29 AM, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Discuss. :-)
Well, I'd certainly accept a job that was z/Linux only, even though
I'd prefer to have z/OS and z/VM with it. I certainly don't seeing
posters on this list being hostile to Linux as a threat
You really start and stop CICS every day? We would get shot if we tried that.
We do.
I hate it, but we have a bunch of jobs that cannot run with CICS up!
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:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Steve Comstock wrote:
Linux, Linux, and more Linux.
So I guess the message is Kiss z/OS goodbye, eh?
My
Admittedly those prices are still higher than some folks want to see. I
personally know of an existing customer and long time mainframe shop
that turned down a considerably discounted (by 70%) z9 for an
outsourcing scenario. It is not to say that there may have been other
factors that came to
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It's still a hard
me what's going on here.
However, since you bring it up, let's pause for half a second and think
about the effects Linux on System z has on z/OS. I leave it as an exercise
to the reader to figure out why and how, but I contend (and observe) that
Linux is one of the best things for z/OS
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It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and
no real promises that the workload matches until you try it.
You can buy fail a lot of squatty boxes with that kind of
money and you don't
Of Rich Smrcina
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Admittedly those prices are still higher than some folks want to see. I
personally know of an existing customer and long time mainframe
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Admittedly those prices are still higher than some
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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It's
Check through this list:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/linux/stories.html
I'm not sure if there are any Oracle refs here, if not I'm sure your BP
or IBM rep will be able to find them. I know they're out there.
Gibney, Dave wrote:
Thanks, but I'm already a member of the choir.:) I've
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:38:57 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, let's see:
Ass.u.me for ease of arithmetic that squatty boxes with one CPU can
be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating system) each. Add in
an Oracle processor license at $40,000
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:38:57 -0500, Chase, John wrote:
Well, let's see:
Ass.u.me for ease of arithmetic that squatty boxes with one CPU
can
be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:10:53 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I know of no technical reason why Windows could not be coded to run on a
z box. There may be some lingering bad blood from the IBM - MS
divorce over Windows vs. OS/2 causing MS to eschew the z
platform
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:10:53 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:10:53 -0500, Chase, John wrote:
I know of no technical reason why Windows could not be coded to run
on
a z box. There may be some lingering bad blood from the IBM - MS
Caution: reply contains snide remarks about MS and Windows.
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Let's be fair - Windows security may or may not be bad.
What we usually see are examples of poor application programming security.
At least from my viewpoint, Internet Explorer, Word, Firefox, et al are
applications, they're not part of the core OS.
Which is, of course, not to say that
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Let's be fair - Windows
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:07:38 -0400, Tim Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's be fair - Windows security may or may not be bad.
What we usually see are examples of poor application programming security.
At least from my viewpoint, Internet Explorer, Word, Firefox, et al are
applications, they're
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Is anything in Windows done correctly? I wouldn't want any MS code
anywhere near my z! Windows has absolutely crummy security.
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You're wrong. WinDoze Security is a complete
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As for security , there are more hackers in the world than MVS sysprogs or
MVS installation on this earth
Dave Gibney writes:
That's good to know (the 22.5K). The other issue for my site is the
ease of finding Windows people vs. even Unix people, let alone z/OS.
Google is your friend. :-)
http://lug.wsu.edu
I'm assuming that WSU is your employer based on your e-mail address -- or
at least that you
enough. :-)
However, since you bring it up, let's pause for half a second and think
about the effects Linux on System z has on z/OS. I leave it as an exercise
to the reader to figure out why and how, but I contend (and observe) that
Linux is one of the best things for z/OS. And for z/VSE, z/TPF
On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 10:29 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote:
However, since you bring it up, let's pause for half a second and think
about the effects Linux on System z has on z/OS. I leave it as an exercise
to the reader to figure out why and how, but I contend (and observe) that
Linux is one
Shane writes:
As I've said before, predominantly Windoze shops are going to stay
'doze, not migrate to Linux to move onto big iron. Just ain't happening.
Re-training all your people to Linux (and maybe z/VM as well) is just a
part of it, and we all know what's happened to training budgets.
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