Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-24 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hi Steve, the very modern island of Singapore. Quite the tropical island paradise, if you enjoy technology while sitting on the beach sipping amber fluid. On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:21:06 -0600, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: Bruce Hewson wrote: [snip] Bruce Hewson Resident,

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-24 Thread Steve Comstock
Bruce Hewson wrote: Hi Steve, the very modern island of Singapore. Quite the tropical island paradise, if you enjoy technology while sitting on the beach sipping amber fluid. Ah, yes. Very nice. I taught a couple of DB2 courses for DBS many years ago. Had a grand time. Got any training

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-15 Thread Bruce Hewson
Folks Time updates due DST..again we have much discussion. But I would like any comments regarding z/OS time, when the customers accessing the system are not physically located in the same time zone. I believe the ISO standards support local time display with timezone infomation such as

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:35:57 -0500, Bruce Hewson wrote: Although we support applications accessed in other time zones, some of which do have Daylight Savings adjustments, we do not change our machine time. The users see local time via adjustments made by the application performing the display.

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-15 Thread Shane
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 06:43 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Don't judge the Unix approach by the idiosyncrasies of IBM, which does worse than most other vendors. For example, in both Solaris and OS X the file or link /etc/localtime provides the last resort system default -- no need to keep the

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-15 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 15:57 -0500 on 03/14/2009, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: Time Change (Sync): On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:07:31 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: Since the time change only needs to occur twice a year, it should not be that hard to have a started task running that will update CVTLDTO when 2AM

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:45:33 +0100, SCHARITZER Gerald wrote: In the z/OS UNIX world the time zone is specified in the TZ environment variable. The information herein contains the UTC offset plus DST rules. TZ remains constant, when switching to and from DST. It only tells functions like

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-14 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 18:45 +0100 on 03/13/2009, SCHARITZER Gerald wrote about Re: Time Change (Sync): In the z/OS MVS world the time zone is stored in CVTLDTO, which only contains the UTC offset. This makes life easy for the TIME macro, which simply adds the offset to UTC to obtain local time. However, CVTLDTO

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:07:31 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: Since the time change only needs to occur twice a year, it should not be that hard to have a started task running that will update CVTLDTO when 2AM on a switch morning occurs. The task is fired off at midnight on a switch day and then

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-13 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:29 -0700 on 03/12/2009, Gibney, Dave wrote about Re: Time Change (Sync): Clocks are a different story. Twice a year I have to take the sh*t about how hard or expensive it is to have our z9 in sync with the rest of the world. Why is your CPU clock not set to GMT/UT? That would insure

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-13 Thread Peter Bishop
Peter On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:49:00 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 14:29 -0700 on 03/12/2009, Gibney, Dave wrote about Re: Time Change (Sync): Clocks are a different story. Twice a year I have to take the sh*t about how hard or expensive it is to have our z9 in sync

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-13 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Time Change (Sync) On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:01:00 -0700, Dave Gibney wrote: ... What would it really get us? One production LPAR, one Development LPAR and a couple sandboxes. In that case, clock synchronization is probably much less critical

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-13 Thread Gibney, Dave
...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Robert A. Rosenberg Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Time Change (Sync) At 14:29 -0700 on 03/12/2009, Gibney, Dave wrote about Re: Time Change (Sync): Clocks are a different story. Twice a year I have to take the sh

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-13 Thread SCHARITZER Gerald
] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Time Change (Sync) Clocks are a different story. Twice a year I have to take the sh*t about how hard or expensive it is to have our z9 in sync with the rest of the world. The idea of paying for setting

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-13 Thread Howard Brazee
On 12 Mar 2009 23:25:29 -0700, hal9...@panix.com (Robert A. Rosenberg) wrote: Why is your CPU clock not set to GMT/UT? That would insure that there is no need to reset the clock - Just update the local time offset twice a year. So long as time stamps are in GMT, the DST/ST switches should not

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Mark Steely
Cost. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Time Change (Sync) Mark Steely writes: We are z/OS V1R9 on a z/10 2098-N01 processor

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Gibney, Dave
University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Steely Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Time Change (Sync) Cost. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Hal Merritt
Economic stimulus for IBM :-D Sorry. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Time Change (Sync) To clarify as another site not sysplexing

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:01:00 -0700, Dave Gibney wrote: ... What would it really get us? One production LPAR, one Development LPAR and a couple sandboxes. In that case, clock synchronization is probably much less critical. -- Tom Marchant

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Gibney, Dave
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Time Change (Sync) On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:01:00 -0700, Dave Gibney wrote: ... What would

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:29:05 -0700, Gibney, Dave wrote: Got bit this year by an application. Used SET TIMEZONE to spring forward. EntireX servers were an hour off until we noticed when a time critical window opened late. Of course, I don't think even Parallel Sysplex would have helped with this

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Gibney, Dave
Change (Sync) On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:29:05 -0700, Gibney, Dave wrote: Got bit this year by an application. Used SET TIMEZONE to spring forward. EntireX servers were an hour off until we noticed when a time critical window opened late. Of course, I don't think even Parallel Sysplex would have

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-12 Thread Timothy Sipples
Perhaps you already know about this, but there is something called a qualifying Parallel Sysplex required to obtain aggregated software licensing. Here's some more information: http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/sysplex/ There are also scenarios where Parallel Sysplex may provide

Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Steely
We are z/OS V1R9 on a z/10 2098-N01 processor. We have 2 CPU's both z/10 2098 - not sysplex. We do have a CTC connection between the two machines. What would be the best way to have the time automatically be sync with each other and with GMT. I have heard of sysplex timers , but I don't think that

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Field, Alan C.
[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Steely Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 17:10 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Time Change (Sync) We are z/OS V1R9 on a z/10 2098-N01 processor. We have 2 CPU's both z/10 2098 - not sysplex. We do have a CTC connection between the two machines. What would

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Shane
And I have a feeling that CTCs aren't sufficient - I think you need coupling links. But I've never implemented it, so check the doco as Alan mentioned. Shane ... On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:19 -0500, Field, Alan C. wrote: The follow on from Sysplex timers is Server Time Protocol. It is microcode

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Timothy Sipples
Mark Steely writes: We are z/OS V1R9 on a z/10 2098-N01 processor. We have 2 CPU's both z/10 2098 - not sysplex. Naive question (and hopefully still related to your core question): why no Parallel Sysplex? - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo,

Re: Time Change (Sync)

2009-03-11 Thread Peter Bishop
Yep, you definitely need Coupling Links. And the STP feature is a priced one, about the same (perhaps slightly less) than the Timer. The redbooks Shane mentioned are the go. There's quite a bit to it. cheers Peter On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:41:43 +1000, Shane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: And I