Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Jim Mulder
In that case, you are taking a risk. We don't try to make SADMP upward or downward compatible across releases, so whether or not that happens to work depends mainly on what changes were made in the Real Storage Manager component. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM

Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not?

2017-09-27 Thread Glenn Miller
Hi Jason, Although it may not be exactly what you were looking for or thinking of, IBM added a parameter a few years back to the INIT command of ICKDSK called NODSEXIST via PTFs for APAR: PK83260 . Per the Comments in the APAR: The INIT command will terminate with message ICK32179I DATA SETS

Re: z/OS Symbols Question

2017-09-27 Thread Rob Schramm
In days of old there was a pointer to the beginning of the symbol table. I remember finding it before the symbol Service became a full fledged Service. Rob Schramm On Wed, Sep 27, 2017, 7:06 PM scott Ford wrote: > Kirk, > > Yeah, I just pulled open IBM Assembler Services

Re: z/OS Symbols Question

2017-09-27 Thread scott Ford
Kirk, Yeah, I just pulled open IBM Assembler Services and looked at ASASYMBM, look like I can do that.. To see if the symbolic is defined or not.. Thank you Scott On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 6:48 PM Kirk Wolf wrote: > Looking up the value of a symbol with ASASYMBM is a

Re: z/OS Symbols Question

2017-09-27 Thread Kirk Wolf
Looking up the value of a symbol with ASASYMBM is a degenerate case: just give it an input pattern of: "" and the output buffer will contain the value. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 5:28 PM, scott Ford wrote: > All: > > I

z/OS Symbols Question

2017-09-27 Thread scott Ford
All: I need to scan the symbol table for an assigned symbolic , I looked at sys1.samplib -- IEASYMCK and macro ASASYMBM and i see that I can replace s symbolic and its value. What I need to do is scan though the table to find a symbol. I need some pointer to give me a helping hand. I read

Re: z114

2017-09-27 Thread Rob Schramm
It is so easy for tidbits of info to fall out of my brain these days.. I feel like the Dilbert cartoon when Dilbert instructs PHB to look for token that may have fallen out of the cat 5 cable. http://dilbert.com/strip/1996-05-02 Rob Schramm On Wed, Sep 27, 2017, 1:01 AM Peter Hunkeler

Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Invitation for early Friday war stories. When implementing (OS-moniker-du-jour) 1.6, we had several catastrophic failures that required back out to previous level. We took some SADs during that stormy period. When implementing z/OS 1.13, we had several instances of running clean out of real

Re: SYS3 datasets

2017-09-27 Thread Art Gutowski
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:39:40 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:27:40 -0500, Brian Westerman wrote: >Vendors ought to suggest installation paths for their software products. Agreed. >SYS3.vendor.** seems like a good idea. Or incorporating the vendors'

Re: Is the AFP control bit (big #13 in CR0) testable in an application?

2017-09-27 Thread David Cole
Hmmm. It seems to me that you can check the STCBBFP flag both at save time and at restore time: * If off at save time, then don't save them, but remember that it was off. * At restore time, if STCBBFP had been off at save time, but now is on, then you know that the signal handler did,

Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Steely.Mark
A little off topic - when is the last time anyone had to perform a SAD ? I haven’t done one in 20+ years. Thanks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 4:11 PM To:

Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Jim Mulder
I don't know of any SADMP PTFs that were not downward compatible within the same release of z/OS, and we would certainly try to avoid creating that scenario. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY > In addition the SAD IPL volume should in principle

Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
As a practical matter, the SAD IPL volume needs enough space to contain the SYS1.PAGEDUMP.Vxx data set, which seems to be 92 tracks at z/OS 2.1. Furthermore, the volume needs to be reachable--not necessarily online--from every MVS image that might conceivably need to take SAD. Depending on

Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:18:56 +0530, Peter wrote: >For the SAD(Standalone dump) IPL, why do we chose DLIB volume UCB ? How >does DLIB volume helps in SAD process ? One advantage of writing the standalone dump to a DLIB volume is that you (presumably) have a DLIB zone for every target zone. When

Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Jim Mulder
The only restrictions on the SAD IPL device is that it must not contain a page data set for the system being dumped, and it must not be used as an output device for this dump. Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie NY > This is general question. > >

Re: Is the AFP control bit (big #13 in CR0) testable in an application?

2017-09-27 Thread Thomas David Rivers
Peter Relson wrote: No there is no way for an unauthorized application to test it but, more important, as Jim M alluded, there is no reason to do so. The actual bit to check would have been CVTBFPH which looks for the hardware being available (rather than CVTBFP which looks for the software

Re: VSAM Catalog Entries and no Disk Device & VVDS

2017-09-27 Thread Rodatz, William J
Hey, I want to thank everyone who responded to my inquiring regarding the deletion of VSAM files that were cataloged on volumes that no longer exist. Allan suggested using a simple "DEL 'entryname NSCR". Well, it worked. I was including the "CLUSTER" parm which was prompting z/OS to access

Re: DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Jousma, David
I don’t know what you mean by dlib volume. I'm assuming you mean SMP DLIB volume. It really doesn’t matter what volume you use to IPL SAD. In our shop, we write SAD ipl code to a few environment specific volumes, that direct SAD to write to a mod-54(s).

DLIB volume for SAD

2017-09-27 Thread Peter
Hi This is general question. For the SAD(Standalone dump) IPL, why do we chose DLIB volume UCB ? How does DLIB volume helps in SAD process ? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email

Re: MERGECAT QUESTION

2017-09-27 Thread esmie moo
Carmine and all the rest, Thanks for easing my concerns and for the explanation as to why FILE(DD1) is used. I will run future REPRO MERGECAT without the FILE(DD1) statements. Thanks On Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 2:02:02 PM EDT, Carmen Vitullo wrote: not

Re: SYS3 datasets

2017-09-27 Thread Edward Gould
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 12:53 AM, Bruce Hewson wrote: > > In my almost 40 years of MVS support, the only time I came across SYS3 was in > a very large, multi-site, company. > > For security segregation each subsystem group was assigned a unique SYS% > hlq..

Re: Is the AFP control bit (big #13 in CR0) testable in an application?

2017-09-27 Thread Steve Smith
Well, what do you know, I follow that rule without knowing why until today. And the IEAFP macro makes sense now. Thanks Dave Cole and Peter Morrison for the enlightenment. Also, obviously my suggestion about referring to FPR 1 to test the facility is superfluous unless your program needs to run

Re: Is the AFP control bit (big #13 in CR0) testable in an application?

2017-09-27 Thread Peter Relson
No there is no way for an unauthorized application to test it but, more important, as Jim M alluded, there is no reason to do so. The actual bit to check would have been CVTBFPH which looks for the hardware being available (rather than CVTBFP which looks for the software being available).

Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not?

2017-09-27 Thread retired mainframer
What part of the ISPF Services Guide was unclear? ISPEXEC LMDINIT LISTID(ID) VOLUME(V12345) ISPEXEC LMDLIST LISTID(ID) OPTION(SAVE) - DATASET(' ') GROUP(V12345) > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf

Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not?

2017-09-27 Thread Brian Fraser
Sorry... I thought everyone would get that... Brian On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > My first reaction to the ICKDSF INIT suggestion was that it was a joke. > Like the story of the two hunters in the woods. One accidentally shoots the >

Re: a volser id in a system-manage library(TS7700) is the same as a volser id in DS8800

2017-09-27 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
You can read it on another system that has access to the TS7700, but does not need the DS8800 volser online. And eliminate the duplicates a.s.a.p. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of ibmm...@foxmail.com >

Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not?

2017-09-27 Thread ibmm...@foxmail.com
Hi Could you send us a sample of using LMDINIT and LMDLIST to mimic the action of 3.4 Thanks a lot! From: retired mainframer Date: 2017-09-26 13:06 To: IBM-MAIN Subject: Re: how to verify whether the volume is empty or not? For me, the easiest way is to display the volume in ISPF 3.4 and

a volser id in a system-manage library(TS7700) is the same as a volser id in DS8800

2017-09-27 Thread ibmm...@foxmail.com
Hi all We found there is a volser id in a system-manage library(TS7700) is the same as a volser id in DS8800. We couldn't online them together. If we don't offline the volser in DS8800,how do we read the volser in a system-manage library? Thanks a lot! Jason Cai