I think your the one missing the point. I can't remember the last time I
had to write a macro as I can do the things I need just using commands.
On 28/01/2021 2:24 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote:
You're missing the point. A good macro facility makes it easy to extend the
editor and add feature
You're missing the point. A good macro facility makes it easy to extend the
editor and add feature that the designers never thought of. The edit macro that
I posted was intended to be an example of that. Were I familiar with emacs I
would have written an emacs macro in LISP, but the point would
A REXX edit macro, that's great! In Vim I can position my cursor over a
function or keyword and press 'gd' to goto the defintion. It also has
plugins for code completion etc. All of this in a TUI. Intellij IDEA
is so advanced that it lints code while you type and flags problems. Use
a keyboard
> Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Inside of mainframers, vi would be difficult to access
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Y E S ! (Could not use ISPF on floor system)
Also, sometimes (and this also happened to me) the ISPF Datasets are
"not there" yet when the first wave of users LOGs ON after the first IPL.
On 2021-01-27 20:21, Seymour J Metz wrote:
If I have a working TSO logon proc then I can allocate the
> Isn't writing code macros a bit dated?
No. Aren't editors that don't allow writing macros a bit dated? Trivial example:
/* REXX from TSPF - not tested in ISPF */
address ISREDIT
"MACRO"
"CURSOR = 1 1"
"(NEW) = LINENUM .ZCSR"
"(LAST) = LINENUM .ZLAST"
"(NLINE) = LINE" NEW
do while NEW
If I have a working TSO logon proc then I can allocate the libraries that ISPF
needs. It's only if someone clobbers those that I would need to resort to TSO
EDIT.
Have you been at DRs where you couldn't use ISPF from the floor system?
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On 28/01/2021 8:25 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Yes, and you can write macros for it. Still, when you have ISPF available
there's little call to use TSO EDIT.
Isn't writing code macros a bit dated? In Vim I can record macros.
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What about Samba over TCP/IP?
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To:
On 28/01/2021 12:20 am, Tom Brennan wrote:
The last time I had any major Linux editing to do (writing a
relatively large system in C, multiple modules, etc.) I used the
editor that comes with Microsoft Visual Studio on Win 10, with Samba
setup to automatically save the files from Windows over
Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH,
I meant that your LOGON PROC has a JCL Error and you're stuck using a
bare-bones TSO LOGON PROC with no ISPF ALLOCATions (JCL or Dynamically
ALLOCATEd).
I've done DRs where this has actually occurred. Consider yourself fortunate.
Regards,
David
On 2021-01-27 19:43,
On 28/01/2021 12:19 am, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Doesn't everybody know that 'G' takes you to the bottom of the file and
'gg' to the top;)
I didn't. I had been using '1G' for decades since I learned it.
Thanks for the hint.
Has Rocket ported Vim to z/OS?
Yes, and emacs. The terminfo
On 27/01/2021 10:43 pm, Steve Thompson wrote:
Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so wonderful?
Why does a modern GUI editor have key bindings for Vim?
https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim?
Because
Binyamin Dissen wrote:
How would a zero length CSECT be placed in a load module?
It doesn't take up any space - so it would just be given
the next offset, a following CSECT would be placed at the
same offset I assume.
The question really is, do any of the other attributes associated
I have to deal with long lines, so I want cursor right to scroll. I can use
HOME to get to the topp, and can scroll up from the command line to get to the
bottom, so I'd prefer that cursor up and down from the entry fields wrap.
Is treating keystrokes different depending on the cursor location
If my LOGON proc has a JCL error then I can't use TSO EDIT.
Every DR site I've been at has allowed use of its floor system to adjust things
and sometimes to do the restores.
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If they expect to keep the dynamically added procs, they'd better update the
JES parms, or update their automatic commands.
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Yes, I found I have Version 4.10 of this program.
It took me quite a while to find the floppy disk it was on, about another 15
minutes to find my USB attached floppy disk reader, then about 30 minutes to
get it to work under vDOS under Windows 10 64-bit. But it still works.
Lennie
Sure ... unless ... your LOGON PROC got a JCL Error and you need to fix
it, or, possibly a DR.
On 2021-01-27 19:25, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Yes, and you can write macros for it. Still, when you have ISPF available
there's little call to use TSO EDIT.
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I generally want scroll up and down, but a line at a time, not a page. I also
want scroll right. However, for cursor left I want wrap; in TSPF I often use
cursor left and END to get to the end of the previous line.
There's no "One size fits all."
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Yes, and you can write macros for it. Still, when you have ISPF available
there's little call to use TSO EDIT.
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Tony
Well, there was a VMS option for OS/360; basically MVT with all jobs sharing a
single region with different keys. Fragmentation must have been horrendous, and
by 1968 it was ancient history.
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Can you trademark something that someone else has been using for decades?
Input/Output Supervisor.
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Tony Harminc
No Linux.
No REXX.
No sale.
How much does Uni-SPF Extended cost and what is missing from it?
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That's a funny way to spell pico. GNU nano isn't remotely ISPF-like.
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:03:50 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:
>On 1/27/2021 12:58 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
>> Nooo...! I use the cursor-down key all the time if I'm near the bottom
>> of the screen and want to be near the top. I would be seriously PO'd
>> if some ISPF-like program changed that to do any
I gotta admit "C" looks pretty bad. But I've never been a C programmer, so
I've never run up against that problem personally. My own current favorite is
"Top Secret", which is a great security product but just try to find jobs
involving it via web searches. All I see are gigs requiring a
NANO. Easily the most ISPF-like of the Unix editors. That is all.
Regards,
Tom Conley
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On 1/27/2021 1:00 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
TSO "EDIT" is always available on z/OS... Doesn't even require a 3270!
Side story: Before I knew what an IBM mainframe was, I worked with
computer mapping on a PDP-something and there was a lady in the office
who was a user of the (remote) company
http://www.spflite.com/ is still around. Can it upload to z/Linux?
On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:22 AM PINION, RICHARD W.
wrote:
>
> Does anybody remember an ISPF product that ran under mainframe Linux from
> the early 2000's? And, does anybody remember Command Technology Corporation's
> SPF/PC?
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 09:23, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
> Not to mention i-stuff from Apple and confusion. What is OS name for
> System i? It was" i5/OS", now it is "IBM i". In short just "i". "i
> operating system". And "iOS" is Apple OS. There were no confusion with
> OS/400.
And "IOS" is a
On 1/27/2021 12:58 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
Nooo...! I use the cursor-down key all the time if I'm near the bottom
of the screen and want to be near the top. I would be seriously PO'd
if some ISPF-like program changed that to do any kinf of scroll down,
whether line or screen at a time.
Ha ha!
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 00:55, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> > I'll get pinged by 6 or 7 recruiters for what's clearly the same job, all
> > the same week.
>
> How many were from the same recruiting firm?
>
> > And spelling it wrong.
>
> As in "z/OS (MVC)"?
Or "z/OS (VMS)"!
Tony H.
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 at 11:21, Tom Brennan wrote:
> That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS
> work to do, I moved about half my time over to the dark side of AIX,
> Linux, and at least a couple of other Unixes that I can't remember -
> working with a bunch of folks
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 at 14:03, Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:41:42 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:
>
> >I haven't used SPF/PC in many years, but I do remember it doing things
> >that weren't possible via 3270, and those were sometimes a
You can have JES2 Proc that has Proclibs in it. And there can be
Dynamically added JES2 Proclibs
You need to make sure to check for all types of proclibs
$DPROCLIB should show you what is dynamic
Lizette
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On 1/27/2021 9:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I did ask why (in the world) they used it, and they said because
it's always available by default - no install needed.
That is certainly a good reason for learning "The Editor From Hell". But isn't
emacs almost as common?
It may be, but they never
Thanks Jerry
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normal JCL for running a tape job. The issue is probably in the OAM/SMS
configuration
Kenneth A. Bloom
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How about the language Go? The project takes great care to explain again and
again that the name of the language is Go, not Golang -- but their Web site is
golang.org -- otherwise you could never find it with a search.
Charles
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A 'manual' tape library? Is this command being issued on the GUI for an EMC DLm?
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Best guess would be the SMS ACS routines. That would be first place I would
look.
Jerry
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Need some advice here . When trying to mount a scratch tape on a manual
library, the LOAD DISPLAY command comes down the channel as a M (Storage Group
name) rather than MSCRTCH. Any ideas as to what is configured incorrectly in
OAM or SMS?
Kenneth A. Bloom
CEO
Avenir Technologies Inc
/d/b/a
What ISPF panel? What field? I'm confident is that what you were looking at was
a procstep name, not a proc name.
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Are you talking about the proc name, a step name or a ddname? The step name
IEFPROC has significance. I've never seen a TSO proc or DD named IEFPROC.
Have you looked at your JES parameter? That's where the logon proclib is most
likely defined, although it could be in the master JCL.
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Shmuel
for future reference the ISPF panel showed IEFPROC but the logon panel
showed another name
in other words the logon proc member name was different than the proc name
the 'failing' proc has the same name as the member name
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:50:05 -0600, Dana Mitchell wrote:
>
>
>I believe the current official name is IBMi running on IBM Power Systems. It
>does make googling for technical information difficult at times
>
What could be worse than "C"? (but is there a "word" qualifier?)
-- gil
The first thing I look at in an editor is the macro language. ISPF has it all
over vi in that regard. While I don't like all those parentheses, emacs is
clearly better than vi in that regard.
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And then there are the marketing types that are clueless as to what protecting
the brand does to manual titles which also fouls up google and other search
Engines.
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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:20 AM, Phil Smith
nm :)
I found another path
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I give up :)
I have two logon procs,
on LPAR1, logon proc A works as desired
the thing is, I can't find it
I've looked in all of the JES2 PROCLIBs
is there anything special about logon proc IEFPROC?
I see the DD name in a lot of procs in the proclib but no proc named IEFPROC
this is the one
> I did ask why (in the world) they used it, and they said because
> it's always available by default - no install needed.
That is certainly a good reason for learning "The Editor From Hell". But isn't
emacs almost as common?
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Rocket has indeed ported vim to z/OS; I use it all the time.
It took a while to getting used to, being unfamiliar with that kind of editor,
but once I got the terminal file sorted, and the keyboard mappings worked out,
it's good. The challenge is the extent of what it
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:20:50 -0800, Tom Brennan wrote:
>... I don't
>remember a single complaint about vi from them. I did ask why (in the
>world) they used it, and they said because it's always available by
>default - no install needed.
>
I have been cautioned by old-timers that I should
On 1/27/2021 6:43 AM, Steve Thompson wrote:
Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so wonderful?
That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS
work to do, I moved about half my time
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:44:46 +0800, David Crayford wrote:
>Doesn't everybody know that 'G' takes you to the bottom of the file and
>'gg' to the top ;)
>
I didn't. I had been using '1G' for decades since I learned it.
Thanks for the hint.
Has Rocket ported Vim to z/OS?
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021
Dana Mitchell wrote:
>I believe the current official name is IBMi running on IBM Power Systems.
It does make googling for technical information difficult at times
Right, with a space after "IBM". Stupid name (and of course un-googleable:
"When I was at IBM, I used to." comes up instead), but
As the saying goes, vi has two modes: one where it corrupts your data, and
one where it beeps at you.
On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 9:44 AM Steve Thompson wrote:
> Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
>
> Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:23:18 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka
wrote:
>Not to mention i-stuff from Apple and confusion. What is OS name for
>System i? It was" i5/OS", now it is "IBM i". In short just "i". "i
>operating system".
I believe the current official name is IBMi running on IBM Power Systems.
Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so wonderful?
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> On Jan 27, 2021, at 12:57 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
>
> On
W dniu 27.01.2021 o 14:58, Dana Mitchell pisze:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 18:35:24 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote:
And a lot are very poorly qualified. I got one yesterday for a "mainframe job" that was on an
"AS/400". OK, it did mention "I-Series" later on, so only two generations (and 15 years)
net
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 18:35:24 -0500, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
>And a lot are very poorly qualified. I got one yesterday for a "mainframe job"
>that was on an "AS/400". OK, it did mention "I-Series" later on, so only two
>generations (and 15 years) net dead. And spelling it wrong.
>
>I don't
On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 17:35:12 -0500 Thomas David Rivers
wrote:
:>Sometimes, it seems pretty easily, the output of HLASM
:>will include a zero-length PC (Private CSECT) section with
:>a valid of X'00' for the FLAG field, as evidenced from both
:>the HLASM listing and the ESD data in the ESD card
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