Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-08 Thread R.S.
ou; you're much better at it than I am. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 7:58 AM To

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-08 Thread R.S.
J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 5:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Storage & tape ques

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-08 Thread R.S.
the balloon goes up it won't matter how unlikely the particular failure mode was. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] S

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-08 Thread R.S.
W dniu 08.07.2020 o 00:40, Grant Taylor pisze: On 7/7/20 8:52 AM, R.S. wrote: Few words about RAID: RAID is more reliable than single disk. Assuming same reliablity of disk used in RAID. That starts to get questionable when you have more and more disks in a RAID array. That's why you

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-08 Thread R.S.
. On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 2:52 PM R.S. wrote: Disclaimer: I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. RAID is fallible. Everything is fallible. I used RAID rhetorically, just as example of "pretty good". And even then I urged to make backups. Few words about RAID: RAID is more reliable than single disk. Ass

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-08 Thread R.S.
oslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 07.07.2020 o 17:09, Jackson, Rob pisze: Settle down, R.S. I was agreeing with you, and I certainly wasn't putting words in your mouth. TS7740 definitely wasn't "cheap." Obviously it was flawed. I _think_ our TS7760s are described as RAID-S. I f

Re: [External] Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-08 Thread R.S.
I would say it is not because of extra workload, but rather result of some "epidemic" - the reason which caused first drive failure also somehow affect other drives. Last, but not least array controler (electronics) is also suspected. My €0.02 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 07.07.2020 o 16:52, Edward Finnell pisze: 1200lbs Semtex make you realize what backups are for and where is your cold site? In a message dated 7/7/2020 9:37:20 AM Central Standard Time, rwjack...@firsthorizon.com writes: R.S. is spot on:  make backups.  Because of the trauma from

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-07 Thread R.S.
ok tape for granted. It was astonishing how much of our processing depended on it. R.S. is spot on: make backups. Because of the trauma from this one event, we now have a three-way VTS grid, synchronous-mirrored SANs, and two mainframes on the floor. First Horizon Bank Mainframe Technical Suppo

Re: SuperWylbur Users

2020-07-07 Thread R.S.
Just curious: how big is the user base of SuperWylbur? And how many of them treat it as more like a hobby? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-07 Thread R.S.
It it feasible. However using PS files on tape you loose many DFSMS facilities including backup, MC features (when to delete, how many backup versions), replication is possible, but it's not DASD remote copy (and no consistency between VTS and DASD), etc. Also no sharing for input. And many

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 07.07.2020 o 07:28, Timothy Sipples pisze: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: I forgot something obvious for me: NEVER USE TAPES FOR APPLICATION DATA. No jobs should write or read tapes. Nothing except backup and restore and (optionally) ML2. Managed by HSM or FDR. Some excepions for archive

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-07 Thread R.S.
s that any different from having it all on DASD? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, July 6, 2020 4:25 PM, R.S. wrote: I forgot something obvious for me: NEVER USE TAPES FOR APPLICATION DATA. No jobs should write or read tapes. Nothing except backup and restore and (optionally) ML

Re: Vtoc and index sizing based on Mods

2020-07-06 Thread R.S.
W dniu 04.07.2020 o 19:12, Peter pisze: Hello Group Apology for being ignorant. Is there a formula or any constraints for initialising a specific dasd Mod ? How do arrive to a specific vtoc and index value while initialising a dasd ? Please help me to understand There is no formula. No

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-06 Thread R.S.
shining tape. Migration from older tape is no nightmare at all. It is simple. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 06.07.2020 o 12:49, R.S. pisze: W dniu 05.07.2020 o 14:12, kekronbekron pisze: Hello List, Just wondering ... assuming there's a primary storage product out there that can

Re: Storage & tape question

2020-07-06 Thread R.S.
W dniu 05.07.2020 o 14:12, kekronbekron pisze: Hello List, Just wondering ... assuming there's a primary storage product out there that can store how-many-ever hoo-haa-bytes, and is a good product in general, it should make sense to begin eliminating all tape (3490/3590) use right? First, ML1

Re: Using IEBCOPY COPYGROUP to unload a PDS member with aliases

2020-07-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 02.07.2020 o 20:13, Tom Conley pisze: On 7/2/2020 2:06 PM, Kirk Wolf wrote: How about the original question - Is there a way to unload from a PDS the "group" (name plus aliases) for a given member name and reload it to another PDS ? Kirk, If you don't have it already, you should

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-07-03 Thread R.S.
. If there are people such as you described, they are certainly not the ones criticizing IBM's licensing policies on this list. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-07-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 03.07.2020 o 13:36, Seymour J Metz pisze: The problem is not in the money, not only here. Speak for yourself. Others are more honest, and the problem *is* the money. Maybe you've never had to live on a budget, but for some of us $5K is not chump change. Speak for yourself. Others may

Re: What is the real size of a 3390-27 and 3390-54

2020-07-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 02.07.2020 o 23:51, Tony Thigpen pisze: I am seeing some DS8000s where a mod-27 is defined as 30051 cylinders. I am seeing other sites were the mod-27 is defined with 32760 cylinders. I know the architectural limit of a mod-27 is 32760 cylinders, but if you work with multiples of mod-1

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-07-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 03.07.2020 o 07:34, Brian Westerman pisze: How much would a hobbyist pay for a Harley, a really nice drone, or some of the other expensive hobbies. People pay upwards of $1K a year for a new phone. I did get a discount on that, but I suppose you are correct, if you can't justify the

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-07-03 Thread R.S.
at?" How about ... and IBM builds in things to the next release of z/os that make it completely impossible for it to run on Hercules? Or z/VM? or z/VSE? Joe On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:33 AM R.S. wrote: And what? I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email. Will they t

Re: When did .net become obsolete? was Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

2020-07-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 02.07.2020 o 16:39, Clark Morris pisze: [Default] On 2 Jul 2020 02:13:34 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) wrote: snip BTW: As a mainframe bigot I sometimes am forced to explain why so old things are still in use. Yes, z14 or z15 is veery old

Re: z/OS use of "legacy" programming languages

2020-07-02 Thread R.S.
W dniu 01.07.2020 o 20:57, Frank Swarbrick pisze: Thanks Tim. I can't imagine being comfortable writing new code, at least, for a compiler that has not been updated in 35 years, but maybe that's just me.  Now that we know what languages are still supported, I am still curious if anyone out

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-07-01 Thread R.S.
W dniu 01.07.2020 o 14:53, David Crayford pisze: On 2020-07-01 8:26 PM, John McKown wrote: And what? I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email. Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message? Using TOR (The Onion Router), it would be very difficult to get to

Re: SMS Data Class attribute Extended

2020-07-01 Thread R.S.
14/15 records? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMS Data Class attribute Extended [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] W dniu

Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment

2020-07-01 Thread R.S.
And what? I can subscribe to IBM-MAIN using John Doe and some anonymous email. Will they track the IP from Joh Doe sent the message? IBM is aware of illegal users of Hercules + some current OS. They also know a lot of Hercules users are IBMers. No, it is nothing pro and against Hercules,

Re: SMS Data Class attribute Extended

2020-07-01 Thread R.S.
W dniu 30.06.2020 o 21:53, PINION, RICHARD W. pisze: We are attempting, on our QA LPAR, to use the SMS DC attributes, Data Set Name Type . . . . . : EXTENDED If Extended . . . . . . . . : PREFERRED Extended Addressability . . : YES for all of our sequential data sets. Of several

Re: MVS master consoles

2020-06-29 Thread R.S.
Every console can receive a message. Every console may be used to REPLY, however SYSCON is handicapped - it cannot be used for RACF-related tasks since it does not support LOGON. Any other console like OSA-ICC or legacy 3270 box attached to 3174 channel attached, or VTAM console, or SYSG

Re: DASD migration

2020-06-29 Thread R.S.
This is good thing to start, but it is part of the story. It covers new datasets and ...do nothing for existing ones. For batch datasets you should also copy them to move them to new volumes. Things get more complex for database files, however those datasets can be moved without and outage (vast

Re: [EXTERNAL] DASD migration -- Re: Hitachi RAID box going out of support

2020-06-26 Thread R.S.
26, 2020 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] DASD migration -- Re: Hitachi RAID box going out of support On 6/26/20 3:16 AM, R.S. wrote: 3. 18 months is close to half of typical service contract for new dasd array. Still we don't know how sure is 18 months - maybe it would be 3

Re: DASD migration -- Re: Hitachi RAID box going out of support

2020-06-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 26.06.2020 o 17:04, Grant Taylor pisze: On 6/26/20 3:16 AM, R.S. wrote: 3. 18 months is close to half of typical service contract for new dasd array. Still we don't know how sure is 18 months - maybe it would be 36 months? Even 12 months means the dasd array would have some residual

Re: Does adding real storage require an IPL?

2020-06-26 Thread R.S.
herwise). How else could we have added the additional memory without act/deact? On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:54 AM R.S. wrote: No, you did not that way. Probably you added some memory to LPAR profile, but this is not an LPAR itself. It is LPAR definition which is used during LPAR activation. Fo

Re: ISPW Question

2020-06-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 17.06.2020 o 22:35, Steely.Mark pisze: Anyone on this list have experience upgrading Compuware ISPW from v17 to v18? Is there a listserv for Compuware and / or ISPW ? What problem do you have? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland

Re: Good FTP client for MVS data set access

2020-06-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 17.06.2020 o 20:09, Frank Swarbrick pisze: What FTP client do you use to access MVS data sets? Do you like it? I personally use the FTP Client that is part of Micro Focus (formerly Attachmate) Reflection Desktop for IBM (Reflection Workspace). Being an application suite dedicated to

Re: Hitachi RAID box going out of support

2020-06-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 25.06.2020 o 21:57, Nightwatch RenBand pisze: We have a 10 year old Hitachi RAID box which Hitachi tells us is going out of support. Only two applications are left of the old z9 machine but they are critical. Latest estimate from programmers is that they will migrate off in 12 to 18

Re: Does adding real storage require an IPL?

2020-06-26 Thread R.S.
show. We had to deactivate the LPAR and reactivate it to add the memory.This was on a z14-ZR1 with z/OS 2.3. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:31 AM R.S. wrote: W dniu 23.06.2020 o 02:07, Charles Mills pisze: Today is real storage day. Sorry for the elementary questions. The folks that o

Re: Does adding real storage require an IPL?

2020-06-25 Thread R.S.
W dniu 23.06.2020 o 02:07, Charles Mills pisze: Today is real storage day. Sorry for the elementary questions. The folks that own the box as a whole have added memory to our LPAR. Do we need to IPL to pick that up in z/OS, or is there a command or similar process? I thought I heard at a SHARE

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-18 Thread R.S.
Well, I also worked for Volvo. In Poland, Wrocław. Hint: Volvo is swedish company, but they also have Renault trucks. So, polish guys in Wrocław worked on swedish terminal emulator to connect to french mainframes with french messages from some exits (ridiculous IMHO). Polish guys called it

Re: z114 retroactive height reduction (FC 9975) for transportation

2020-06-12 Thread R.S.
W dniu 12.06.2020 o 00:34, Christian Svensson pisze: Hi, A bit of a niche question maybe, but this list usually enjoys those! I need to move my z114, and sadly I don't have the possibility of inspecting it physically right now. I was wondering if anyone knows if it is possible to reduce the

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread R.S.
Well... The only country I can imagine such approach is France. I don't know Japan, so I cannot say. However I met mainrame people from South America and they told me they orderd and use English documentation due to quality (Spanish doco is horrible - they said). I have never heard about such

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread R.S.
W dniu 12.06.2020 o 12:59, Seymour J Metz pisze: Well, if they come from a world where there is no messages manual, it may not occur to them to RTFM; that should be part of their initial training, but we all know how generous education budgets are these days. I teach mainframe courses in

Re: Messages & Codes (was Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes")

2020-06-12 Thread R.S.
Well, I wrote an article on my internal company blog, recently. It was exactly about messages and codes. People couldn't believe in some statements: 1. Every message has its own ID. Fortunately readers agreed that msg ID is far better than "Oops! Something went wrong, try again later". 2. Every

Re: [External] Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-10 Thread R.S.
AFAIK IBM sometimes give some software to universities for free. It can be operating system, access to remote system or just IBM course (also include access to mainframe in Poughkeepsie). To complement: several years ago they sold BC class machine to some polish university at very good price.

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-09 Thread R.S.
Regarding 100% customers: - Did you think about replatforming? - Yes. (OK, another one on the list) - And what? - And concluded it would be very stupid idea. We did the analysis and we know that. Another explanation: Mainframe shops are sometimes big companies. It is very likely to find an

Re: "Everyone wants to retire mainframes"

2020-06-09 Thread R.S.
W dniu 09.06.2020 o 14:24, Peter Bishop pisze: Interesting re 2): "The survey found that organizations are running an average of four mainframes with an average age of 17 years. Sixty-four percent are running mainframes between 10 and 20 years old, with 28% running machines that are 20 to 30

Re: System Exit

2020-06-04 Thread R.S.
W dniu 04.06.2020 o 15:46, Lizette Koehler pisze: Do you have any tools like EASYEXIT? Or ACC? Or BMC Tools (use to be Stop-X37 or PROSMS)? In ISMF You can set up a class to include dynamic volume count. In SMS environment we see Seq and VSAM regularly take up to 100's of extents when a

Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-04 Thread R.S.
pka Lodz, Poland W dniu 02.06.2020 o 16:19, R.S. pisze: I have never used punched cards, so forgive me my questions. As far as I know, a character set on punched cards was somehow limited, so it is not EBCDIC or similar set of 256 characters. Of course that means some limitations for DD

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-04 Thread R.S.
channels across LPARs. The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single device. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Base SYSPLEX setup [CAUTION

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-04 Thread R.S.
Yes. Even 10 LPARs may share the chpids and proper CU definitions allow to create logical "any to any" connection between LPARs. I'm not sure about translation, we call it complete polygon. For 3 LPARs there are 3 paths For 4 LPARs there are 6 paths For 5 LPARs there are 10 paths For n LPARs

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-04 Thread R.S.
d provicer or just spare device in server room. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 04.06.2020 o 09:21, Brian Westerman pisze: SO just how much are the peanuts? What exactly am I looking for and do you have any vendors that you can suggest? Brian On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 10:26:16 +0200, R

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-04 Thread R.S.
It's tricky. Dana said about LOGICAL CUs, that means single physical box with multiple CUADDs. Usually DASD array or virtual tape (also disk array in fact). However in Dana case we have single physical connection CPC to CU-box. CUADD or logical CU is like LPAR on CPC. However in order to

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread R.S.
Note: CTC and CNC are from ESCON world. Ideed, that required different CHP definition on each end. Nowadays we have FICON and FC chpid definition on each end. The topology may be FC CHP 1A FC CHP 1B or FC CHP 1A switch. 1A and 1B ard example values of th CHPID. Of course for

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 03.06.2020 o 15:05, Allan Staller pisze: You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point topology, not daisy chains like in Bus That is incorrect. I routine share channels across LPARs. The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread R.S.
W dniu 03.06.2020 o 06:09, Brian Westerman pisze: no switches exist at the site. I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, it (HCD) keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on the same CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-02 Thread R.S.
1. As documentations says, CTC over FICON require two ports connected with a cable (similar to ESCON), or single port, but it has to be connected to a switch. Absolutely no loopback is ever used. 2. Don't confuse loopback and dust-cover. The first is really a piece of fiber optic with

Punched cards and character set

2020-06-02 Thread R.S.
I have never used punched cards, so forgive me my questions. As far as I know, a character set on punched cards was somehow limited, so it is not EBCDIC or similar set of 256 characters. Of course that means some limitations for DD * datasets - if coded on real punched cards. Nowadays I'm

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-02 Thread R.S.
Good question. However better question is why LPARs withing single CPC cannot communicate via some emulated channel like ICP or IQD. The only reasonable answer is because IBM decided. Was the decision reasonable? That's another question. Fortunately for FICON CTC it is enough to use *one*

Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-01 Thread R.S.
W dniu 01.06.2020 o 02:27, Brian Westerman pisze: The box isn't maxed out, but it's pretty close. It's a base z13s and no money to upgrade it. The cards are a cheap way to get by (they are under $400 with $0 increase in maintenance costs), whereas the cost of a CF is far greater. We can't

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-31 Thread R.S.
p Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 9:25 AM To

Re: IODF/IOCDS questions

2020-05-29 Thread R.S.
W dniu 28.05.2020 o 16:04, Edgington, Jerry pisze: We currently have 3 CECs with multiple different IODFs. Question #1) How can I do combine/move all the CECs into a single IODF? Question #2) How can I update the CEC's IOCDS from a different CEC? What steps are needed to run a batch job from

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread R.S.
ERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 6:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question You're remote - so what? Don't you have remote access to HMC? Well, I established it approx 19 years ago and visi

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread R.S.
6.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 6:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-28 Thread R.S.
esday, May 27, 2020 11:34 AM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 27.05.2020 o 15:14, Mark Jacobs pisze: When the CE places the HMC in service mode will a V XCF,,OFFLINE,REIPL command work as expected? My guess: yes. However, why don't you change the mode in case of failure of

Re: HMC in Service Mode, IPL Question

2020-05-27 Thread R.S.
W dniu 27.05.2020 o 15:14, Mark Jacobs pisze: When the CE places the HMC in service mode will a V XCF,,OFFLINE,REIPL command work as expected? My guess: yes. However, why don't you change the mode in case of failure of the reIPL? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland

Re: Opinions/experience on sharing catalogs outside plex

2020-05-27 Thread R.S.
Of R.S. Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 5:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Opinions/experience on sharing catalogs outside plex CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL Skip, In the past I implemented STK tapes, the largest tape system in Poland at the time. Interesting job. :-) It seems, you

Re: Opinions/experience on sharing catalogs outside plex

2020-05-25 Thread R.S.
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Opinions/experience on sharing

Re: Move volcat to non sms volume

2020-05-25 Thread R.S.
I think there is no important difference between moving VOLCAT and moving regular VSAM file. For VSAM I would use ADRDSSU with RESTORE IMPORT NMC NSC. BTW: I have system clones available on demand. You want clone of whole system - voila. I love it! Almost all possible operations can be tested

Re: IODF Activation Question - Followup

2020-05-23 Thread R.S.
W dniu 22.05.2020 o 17:42, Dana Mitchell pisze: On Fri, 22 May 2020 14:10:02 +0200, R.S. wrote: Personally I used to start with "the last system" - that means HSA update, and then ACTIVATE SOFT on rest, however the "more recommended" way is the above. Did this actually w

Re: IODF Activation Question - Followup

2020-05-22 Thread R.S.
General rules for HCD activation It is easier to add than to remove (or alter) devices. For remove, you have to vary/configure device/chp offline. Where? Everywhere on the CPC, that means each LPAR. It is nothing weird in having multiple non-sysplexed LPARs on CPC and dynamict activation. For

Re: Creating new SMS environment in a monoplex

2020-05-21 Thread R.S.
f you mean: an SMSplex cannot cross Sysplexes: that is true. Kees. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: 20 May 2020 17:14 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Creating new SMS environment in a monoplex To complement: there is strict requireme

Re: Creating new SMS environment in a monoplex

2020-05-20 Thread R.S.
it, is that an SMS environment has no specific dependence on a parallel sysplex, CFs, couple datasets, etc. All that is left for me is to finish building the system and IPL it. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11

Re: Creating new SMS environment in a monoplex

2020-05-19 Thread R.S.
W dniu 18.05.2020 o 20:36, Richards, Robert B. pisze: It has been a few decades since I have created a new SMS environment. Current environment is parallel sysplex replete with CFs and lots of lpars. I am trying to create a simple SMS environment that will be part of a monoplex consisting on

Re: DFSMS Move Dataset

2020-05-18 Thread R.S.
W dniu 16.05.2020 o 21:54, esst...@juno.com pisze: I am Not a DASD Administrator - . However I used the following JCL to move a PDS - //STEP1EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DDSYSOUT=A //DASD1DDUNIT=3390,VOL=(PRIVATE,SER=USER12),DISP=OLD //DASD2DD

Re: Does allocating an HFS or zFS erase all existing data?intervals formatted?

2020-05-18 Thread R.S.
Excuse me, but IMHO RECOVERY does "format" CIs within CA - that means proper values are written into CIDF and RDF (in any). That means VSAM knows the CI is empty, or partially filled. Unused space within CI is not cleared, there is no need for that. From the other hand physically full block is

Re: RES: An older device query - still using??

2020-05-14 Thread R.S.
file). I know you could punch both 80 and 96 (in separate files). The VTOC design was also used in the Optical Media Attach Feature, which was actually 'emulated' on the P360/P390 in the AWSOMA dirver. (All "facts" subject to dropped memory bits due to old age.) Tony Thigpen R.S. w

Re: Activate SMS configuration in batch

2020-05-14 Thread R.S.
W dniu 14.05.2020 o 12:43, Gadi Ben-Avi pisze: Hi, Does anyone know of a way to activate an SMS configuration in batch? I know I can issue the SETSMS SCDS(xx) command in batch, but I am long for a way that will wait until the activation is complete before continuing to the next step. We are

Re: An older device query - still using??

2020-05-13 Thread R.S.
from diskette, how to recognize volume ID, etc. No, I'm not going to use it, but I'm just curious. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 13.05.2020 o 16:55, R.S. pisze: Excuse me, what is IBM 3540? This is mainframe forum so I checked all historical DASD, including drum device

Re: An older device query - still using??

2020-05-13 Thread R.S.
Excuse me, what is IBM 3540? This is mainframe forum so I checked all historical DASD, including drum device and 2305 (which is not a drum) and found no such device. I also reviewed disks for small systems (S3 System 32, System 34... AS/400) and still no such device. Finally I found ~500MB

Re: IGDSMSxx setting PDSE_VERSION(2)

2020-05-12 Thread R.S.
of those types of workloads. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IGDSMSxx setting PDSE_VERSION(2) My humble opinion: Everybody who want or really need PDSE v2 will create

Re: IGDSMSxx setting PDSE_VERSION(2)

2020-05-12 Thread R.S.
My humble opinion: Everybody who want or really need PDSE v2 will create such dataset explicitly by specifying DSNTYPE=(LIBRARY,2). That's OK. You want to create PDSE v2 by default. This is the best way to find out which system components or application still not tolerate new PDSE flavour.

Re: Mainframe user ID length

2020-05-07 Thread R.S.
To summarize: There are many ways to skin a cat. You can use LDAP. You can have looong user id's within LDAP. You can type anything in JCL (especially in comments or DD *). You also should distinguish between z/OS and RACF (TSS, ACF2), and JCL and JES2. However for security you have to keep

Re: Z/VM LPAR

2020-05-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 04.05.2020 o 14:09, Nai, Dean pisze: Anyone know if we need a POR to activate a new Z/VM LPAR No. Not nowadays. However if you are using z990 or older, then it may be needed. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland ==

Re: Latest COBOL standard is 2014 was Re: Cobol

2020-04-28 Thread R.S.
W dniu 27.04.2020 o 17:48, Bernd Oppolzer pisze: Am 27.04.2020 um 15:39 schrieb Clark Morris: I wanted USAGE BIT 50 years ago because I was dealing with bit switches on customer, product and open account files. In 1992, my customer at that time (local transport) wanted to help the local

Re: Read BookManager/READ files

2020-04-27 Thread R.S.
W dniu 27.04.2020 o 11:14, Juergen Kehr pisze: Hello, where just in the process to migrate our z/OS systems to V2.4. As you know, on z/OS V2.4 BookManager/READ isn't available anymore. But unfortunately some developers come up with a requirement to read some very old homegrown documentation

Re: Here we go again

2020-04-24 Thread R.S.
W dniu 22.04.2020 o 19:54, Pew, Curtis G pisze: On Apr 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Charles Mills wrote: It's nowhere near as bad as Y2K. Y2K potentially affected just about everything. Everything with a date calculation. Everything that accepted or printed a date. That’s an important point. Dates

Re: Catalogs in parallel sysplex ECS vs RLS

2020-04-24 Thread R.S.
W dniu 23.04.2020 o 16:29, Peter Vander Woude pisze: Ok, building parallel sysplex. For the catalogs I am planning on using ECS for the shared catalogs (which is all of them). What is the recommended method for handling the catalogs in a parallel sysplex, ECS or VSAM RLS? What is

Re: Here we go again;

2020-04-23 Thread R.S.
W dniu 22.04.2020 o 22:04, Phil Smith III pisze: I sure hope someone got a big bonus for saving that byte... Oy. Did not mean to cause a firestorm over this. Sure, it can add up; but a big database back then was what, 10M rows? So saving one byte was 10MB, not nothing, but still only 5%

Re: [External] Re: Here we go again;

2020-04-23 Thread R.S.
Adam, Believe me or not, but I (my folks) saved a lot of space by changing BLKSIZE to correct one, means SDB. It was not only JCL, but also COBOL. What is "a lot of space"? It was enough free space on our huge 500GB DASD box to NOT PURCHASE ANOTHER BOX. Multiply it x2, because we used PPRC. We

Re: JES2 SPOOLDEF TGSIZE recommendation sought [EXTERNAL]

2020-04-22 Thread R.S.
W dniu 22.04.2020 o 13:04, Feller, Paul pisze: In two of our JES2 environments we use MOD-27s and in one other we use MOD-54s. All three environments use TGSIZE=36. I don't recall when it changed to TGSIZE=36, but it has been that way for years. We have not seen any issues with either size

Re: Opinions/experience on sharing catalogs outside plex

2020-04-20 Thread R.S.
rame Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 3:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Opinions/experience on sharing catalogs outside plex [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender.] W dni

Re: Opinions/experience on sharing catalogs outside plex

2020-04-20 Thread R.S.
W dniu 09.04.2020 o 02:11, Rob Schramm pisze: I am considering sharing some usercats outside of a sysplex. What I can find is that sysiggv2 must be kept as a reserve to do so. Looking for others that have had to do this. One question I had was, what happens on a ispf 3.4 when the data set is

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-16 Thread R.S.
W dniu 15.04.2020 o 07:59, Timothy Sipples pisze: Charles Mills wrote: A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux? I replied: Neither. Charles Mills then replied: Which *used to be* UNIX? Still neither. I can find no evidence that Microsoft ever obtained a UNIX(TM)

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-14 Thread R.S.
W dniu 14.04.2020 o 21:13, Seymour J Metz pisze: It's freeware No, it's open source. Freeware is something very different, and more restrictive. No, it DOESN'T MATTER. Really. The point is one can get it and use it for free. 2. Use Virtual Box. It is "z/VM", That is, if you've never

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-14 Thread R.S.
6.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job? **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-14 Thread R.S.
It's pleonasm. BTW: In Poland we also call it "masło maślane". It is hard to translate since masło is butter - noun (substantive). And maślane is butter - but adjective. What a language cannot distinguish between noun and adjective! English has definitely to many overloaded words. ;-) Now

Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?

2020-04-14 Thread R.S.
W dniu 13.04.2020 o 14:06, John McKown pisze: Other than the implicit use of UNIX by things such as FTP, I mean. In particular I am speaking of keeping production data in a UNIX file, rather than a legacy dataset; use of scripting via /bin/sh, awk, or other, use of any of the BPX* UNIX callable

Re: How to change the default '.java' extension to '.jav'?

2020-04-14 Thread R.S.
W dniu 12.04.2020 o 03:11, CM Poncelet pisze: Yes - I still use DOS and SPF/PC, which are about 20 times faster CPU-wise than Windows XP (the last version that still supports DOS applications.) XP is the last version that supports DOS applications? I think it is matter of 32-bit vs 64-bit

Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent'

2020-04-09 Thread R.S.
W dniu 09.04.2020 o 13:05, John McKown pisze: Is there a consulting company which hires "part timers"? Yes. It's not common, that means most of people are full-time employees, but I met several part-timers. Even guy who was living in Warsaw, Poland and supported large installation on East

Re: New Jersey Pleas for COBOL Coders for Mainframes Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

2020-04-07 Thread R.S.
W dniu 06.04.2020 o 21:21, Tony Thigpen pisze: Many years ago, a programmer where I worked was told to write a program in Cobol instead of RPG (which he preferred). So he did, but all the variables were in Spanish. Management was not impressed. This was in North Alabama early 1980's and there

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