Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-06 Thread Ed Gould
sigh I know... That I didn't tell you was they created (not through dynamic but through some other path (old TSO I'd guess) so their naming "standards" was their own which was not a && type situation) it looked like one but they never fully converted to the "new" temp naming stards tha

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-06 Thread Darth Keller
Another plug for Naviquest - the free IBM test facility for SMS. This is the perfect time to start setting up your test cases & learning to use it. Unless your shop is 'rich' enough to set up a whole separate test-plex, it's one of the few ways to actually test your code before putting it i

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-06 Thread Ron Hawkins
Ed, In the ACS routines you usually test for &DSTYPE=TEMP, rather than a system generated dataset name mask. Ron > The issue in TMP is that some software vendors use && type datasets as > perm and then rename them "magically". No they shouldn't do it and you can > argue with them for years and t

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-06 Thread Ron Hawkins
b Schramm > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:35 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Converting to SMS for the first time > > I am not sure how valid it is anymore (it was more than 10 years ago). We did > it after the initial implementation... the fragmen

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-05 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 4, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Ron Hawkins wrote: --- SNIP--- TMP: truly temporary datasets, and not transitory datasets passed from job to job DBS: any dataset allocated by a DBMS (IMS, DB2, IDMS, etc) or an OLTP (CICS, etc). Som

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-05 Thread Rob Schramm
C/SRS, PRO-SMS, or > whatever ISV software you have as part of your implementation. > > Ron > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Rob Schramm > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-05 Thread Ron Hawkins
A.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Converting to SMS for the first time > > You may want to consider the use of a couple size-related pools. During one > analysis ... something like 80% of the data sets were below 5 tracks. > > > Rob Schramm > Senior Systems Consultant &g

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-05 Thread Ron Hawkins
u took the time to read my email :-) Ron > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:59 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Converti

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-05 Thread Rob Schramm
You may want to consider the use of a couple size-related pools. During one analysis ... something like 80% of the data sets were below 5 tracks. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht < elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote:

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-05 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Ron Hawkins wrote: >I would urge you to consider vertical pooling rather than horizontal pooling. ... > My key point is to go horizontal, and avoid vertical pooling. Vertical against horizontal? Perhaps I missed something in your post, but in my very humble opinion, I think both sentences are

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-05 Thread Richards, Robert B.
cation? Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 6:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Converting to SMS for the first time Lizette, Before starting down t

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-04 Thread Rob Schramm
; > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:27 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Converting to SMS for the fir

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-04 Thread Ron Hawkins
rtical pooling. Ron > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Converting to SMS for the first time &g

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-04 Thread Don Melton
Ooops ... I think I meant we restricted STORGRP (not STORCLAS). be seeing you ... Don Don Melton, Sr. Consultant, Vatic Technologies Ltd "Don Melton" wrote in message news:<78F313C333AA482DAFD8A71679B2F846@vtdskntw513>... > "Lizette Koehler" wrote in message > news:<01de01cd591f$8b52a580$a

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-04 Thread Don Melton
"Lizette Koehler" wrote in message news:<01de01cd591f$8b52a580$a1f7f080$@mindspring.com>... > I have a friend who has a shop that is non SMS. I am trying to provide a simple check list on how to convert to SMS managed storage. > > If anyone has suggestions on best practices for a conversion - pl

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-03 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Converting to SMS for the first time >>If anyone has suggestions on best practices for a conversion – please let me >>know. Two more (and last) hints: Keep RACF DB and perhaps other certain datasets (DSORG=U for example) away from SMS. Ha

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-03 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
>>If anyone has suggestions on best practices for a conversion – please let me >>know. Two more (and last) hints: Keep RACF DB and perhaps other certain datasets (DSORG=U for example) away from SMS. Have a hard and fast and absolute unpopular rule: "Anything uncataloged means immediate delet

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-03 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Lizette Koehler wrote: >If anyone has suggestions on best practices for a conversion – please let me >know. There are redbooks and ABC of system programmer books, sigh, I don't have the links to send to you... Sorry > So steps are missing. ☺ Keep things small and easy. ISMF also provide a

Re: Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-03 Thread McKown, John
surance Company®, Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8

Converting to SMS for the first time

2012-07-03 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have a friend who has a shop that is non SMS. I am trying to provide a simple check list on how to convert to SMS managed storage. If anyone has suggestions on best practices for a conversion – please let me know. I have one idea of how to do, but others with more experience might have a mor