On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 12:56:35 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>JCL is quite consistent; an unquoted space terminates the field.
>
If that space is preceded by a comma, doesn't it indicate a continuation?
But perhaps I misunderstand the definition of "field".
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App received
HOW NOW, BROWN COW
Quoting the command preserves the lower case, even with the embedded blanks.
(No, I did not test every permutation.)
/F procname,'How now, Brown Cow'
App
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how about:
/F procname,How now, Brown Cow
(multiple spaces
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>...
>/F procname,'How now, Brown Cow'
>App received 'How now, Brown Cow'
>
>Note that the quotes are included in what the app receives.
>
But how did you enter the command?
o From an operator's console?
o From HLASM MGCRE?
o
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how about:
/F procname,How now, Brown Cow
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 09:12:45 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>The problem is that there just is no generic MODIFY format, and I guess there
>really is no universal console command format. Yes, yes, the next time they
>write MVS they should do a single parser shared among all commands, but
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:42:07 +, Peter Relson wrote:
>Shmuel write
>> A space in an operator command is the separator between operand a
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 11:52:40 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>ObNit Why don't you want to quoute the stem name? The statement address SDSF
>"ISFSLASH (mycmd.) (WAIT)" will work regardless of whether you give mycomd. a
>default value.
>
The flaw occurs in the User's Guide. RCF submitted.
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:42:07 +, Peter Relson wrote:
>Shmuel write
>> A space in an operator command is the separator between operand and comment.
>
>"Can be", not "is". It depends on the command.
>
Is this clearly documented for each command?
Does the doc cover the case of passing a string
Shmuel write
> A space in an operator command is the separator between operand and comment.
"Can be", not "is". It depends on the command.
Peter Relson
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 12:29:15 +, Rob Scott wrote:
>True - however I think the original author of the exec was alternating between
>using the stem form and a variable replacement form.
>
How does it behave with SIGNAL ON NOVALUE in effect?
How does it behave with MYCMD.='Preseet' in effect?
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ObNit Why don't you want to quoute the stem name? The statement address SDSF
"ISFSLASH (mycmd.) (WAIT)" will work regardless of whether you give mycomd. a
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For what it is worth, SDSF REXX API already accepts an alternate for
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:51:29 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
>Hi Gil,
>You said: "..as XEDIT and "sed" do ..."
>IIRC, TSO Edit should be included in thi
On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:51:29 -0400, David Spiegel wrote:
>Hi Gil,
>You said: "..as XEDIT and "sed" do ..."
>IIRC, TSO Edit should be included in this list.
>
Not in my list.
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>A space in an operator command is the separator between
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>...
> if someone were able to do an RFE with a compelling business case to allow
> embedd
Hi Gil,
You said: "..as XEDIT and "sed" do ..."
IIRC, TSO Edit should be included in this list.
Regards,
David
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if someone were able to do an RFE with a compelling business case to
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> if someone were able to do an RFE with a compelling business case to allow
> embedded spaces within all quoted text.
>
Why should that be hard? It's simply a matter of *not* treating as an
exception.
>... It would also
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As does MODIFY, which I think
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:23:53 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>I had assumed that START would accept spaces as long as they are fra
The modify command with quotes gives it as typed on the console ( including
the quotes)
Without quotes it is upper cased
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>... If you want my guess (without trying to figure out if true or not),
>support for single quotation marks came later, was done by someone who didn't
>know about the 4th positional parameter who didn't notice in the doc update
>that
Charles M wrote
As does MODIFY, which I think of as very analogous to START, since the data
ends up in more or less the same place.
In implementation, MODIFY is nothing like START (because of what parsing is
done by the system of the command itself).
Each individual modify "owner" parses
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Here is an example of a command with a space.
F CICS,CEMT PER,SHUT
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> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 13:03, Seymour J Metz wrote:
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> > Time for an RCF; embedded blanks are bog common in, e.g., SEND.
>
> Though those on SEND must be within a
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> Time for an RCF; embedded blanks are bog common in, e.g., SEND.
Though those on SEND must be within a quoted string. Blanks otherwise
are highly significant. Many's the poor person who's conflated the TSO
SEND command with console SEND, and
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>I had assumed that START would accept spaces as long as they are framed in
>apostrophes, but the OS/360 documentation only mentions parentheses. I've
>submitted an RCF, citing REPLY and SEND as commands that definitely accept
>embedded
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I had assumed that START would accept spaces as long as they are framed in
apostrophes, but the OS/360 documentation only mentions parentheses. I've
submitted an RCF, citing REPLY and SEND as commands that definitely
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> On this page of the z/OS MVS System Commands manual, under "operands"
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On this page of the z/OS MVS System Commands manual, under "operands" it says
"no embedded blanks".
It refers to commands in general, not just the "start
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You generalize at your own risk. The subject of the post is very general, and
the processing likely differs across commands. And might even vary depending on
how you issue the command (e.g., operator
You generalize at your own risk. The subject of the post is very general, and
the processing likely differs across commands. And might even vary depending on
how you issue the command (e.g., operator console, SDSF, mgcre).
This might be a "how do I issue any command with a blank in it,
On this page of the z/OS MVS System Commands manual, under "operands" it says
"no embedded blanks".
It refers to commands in general, not just the "start" command.
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=formats-typical-format
On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 08:17:11 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
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>Yes, the blank is apparently a factor (as you note). But I think it has to be
>more than just a simple naïve scan (TRT or otherwise; TRT is just a software
>loop written in micro- or millicode) for a blank.
>
I'll assume (and OCO won't
is the key.
Charles
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 06:58:47 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
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>Maybe too many commas?
>...
Too many blanks. The OP reports that the error does not occur if he
changes one blank to an underscore.
I deem this the malign progeny of TRT. The designer knew (correctly)
that every command ends with a
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I've issued a command from SDSF with a blank it ,but it is not working
properly.
I issue
/s PYT,,,'COLINs Data',p=CONSNEW
and get on the system console
IBMUSER 0290 S PYT,,,'COLINs Data',P=CONSNEW
- p
Try adding some apostrophes, e.g.
$TA,T=12.08,'$VS,''D T'''
works, but
$TA,T=12.08,'$VS,D T'
does not.
On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 at 20:47, Colin Paice wrote:
> I've issued a command from SDSF with a blank it ,but it is not working
> properly.
> I issue
> /s PYT,,,'COLINs Data',p=CONSNEW
>
> and
On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 11:47:17 +0100, Colin Paice wrote:
>I've issued a command from SDSF with a blank it ,but it is not working
>properly. ...
>
>The doc says
>
Which doc? SDSF? System Commands? Other (specify)?
>*parameters: Program parameters passed to the started program. This might
>be a
I've issued a command from SDSF with a blank it ,but it is not working
properly.
I issue
/s PYT,,,'COLINs Data',p=CONSNEW
and get on the system console
IBMUSER 0290 S PYT,,,'COLINs Data',P=CONSNEW
- p=CONSNEW is being ignored
- I am trapping the command using QEDIT, and getting
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