Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-20 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
contribution to the project. Two of us were assigned as technical team leaders for the intended product development. We were staffing our teams when the project was killed. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#34 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#37 Regarding Time

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
Look for a manual called MVS/XA Overview (http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/download/GC28-1348-0_MVSXAoverview_Mar 84OCR.pdf). It is much thinner than any of the redbooks mentioned and it concentrates mainly on MVS. The redbooks cover all components of today's z/OS. It still is an excellent short

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Quasar Chunawala
*Hi Shmuel and everybody on the list -* * * I would like to address any matter at http://www.mainframes360.com/2012/11/tso-and-ispf.html which requires * correction*. *If any of the other gentlemen, would like to give me some feedback, criticisms, data, I welcome him with my arms wide open.* * *

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Quasar Chunawala
*Peter -* * * I shall definitely make it a point to go through this. I gave it a cursory glance, and found it easy to digest. Thank you very much. I hope you've liked my blog. - Quasar On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com wrote: Look for

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:12:05 -0500, Mike Myers wrote: ... I quit to become a consultant, due to my dissatisfaction with the project as a whole. That was in 1984. Some of us have been disillusioned with this business for only slightly less time g,d,r Shane ...

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CA+Myz1UtXC6V0JafV+knTiN8wi1uMNSDF5sb6SHk=bfbclb...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/19/2012 at 03:58 PM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said: 1. Weren't SSS, MSS and MPS later known as PCP, MFT and MVT? There was significant redesign and a name change[1] between the original MPS and

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 50aa3025.40...@mentor-services.com, on 11/19/2012 at 08:12 AM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com said: I guess I always thought that Sequential Scheduling System (SSS or S-cubed) and PCP were synonymous. Look at ENQ for an example of changes that affected all three. Somewhere along the

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
settled by economic, rather than technical reasons. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#30 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#31 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#34 Regarding Time Sharing I had sponsored an internal advanced technology

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
it was dropped. I don't know whether VM/XB was based on that work or was done from scratch. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#30 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#31 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#34 Regarding Time Sharing http

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Mike Myers
l...@garlic.com(Lynn Wheeler) writes: As consequence of not being able to fix TSO /or MVS, POK had a project to port CMS to MVS ... as a way of providing interactive services, but as mentioned previously MVS has some fundamental flaws for providing interactive service ... and the implementation

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
contribution to the project. Two of us were assigned as technical team leaders for the intended product development. We were staffing our teams when the project was killed. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#30 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#31 Regarding

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-19 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CA+Myz1UtXC6V0JafV+knTiN8wi1uMNSDF5sb6SHk=bfbclb...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/19/2012 at 03:58 PM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said: 7. I shall correct the references section. FYI, several relevant manuals are available at

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-18 Thread mf db
Hi Quasar, Suggest you to get aquainted with ABC of system programming and Z/os architecture. Otherwise many question would get spawned without a basic idea. Peter On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com wrote: *Hi Mike and everyone else on the list - *

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-18 Thread Mike Myers
Quasar: To begin, MFT is pretty ancient (although I was a sysprog for its predecessor, SSS - OS/360 release 2). Much has changed since MFT, although much remains the same. In MFT, there were no ASCBs, as there were no address spaces, which didn't appear until MVS, where every job, TSO user

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CA+Myz1X=YFsEu43JaGc7W5Nss2Rfhs_ovr=swfe2cww0j6e...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/18/2012 at 01:36 PM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said: I have done some reading from the MFT manual. 1. Which MFT manual? 2. TSO started as an OS/360 option for MVT, not for MFT. 1. Every

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-18 Thread Quasar Chunawala
*Hi Mike and Schmuel - * * * Thank you very much for the clarification, and things are quite clear to me now. I will try and find my way into MVS control blocks, and maybe read a bit of the redbooks too, as you have recommended. Oh and by the ways Schmuel, the MFT manual I was referring to is *

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-18 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#30 Regarding Time Sharing oh, old presentation at fall atlantic share meeting in 1968 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/94.html#18 on MFT14 CP67. CP67 had been installed in the univ last week of Jan68. Univ. continued to run OS/360 (in 360/65 mode on 360/67

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-18 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CA+Myz1Udc_9ddoR=6LpXkA=9jak+xap2fya9hccvpwkmzk0...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/18/2012 at 11:18 PM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said: *Hi Mike and Schmuel - * That's Shmuel! GC27-6939-10_MFT_Guide_R21.7_Mar72 IBM System/3S0 Operating System MVT Guide OS Release 21,

Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Quasar Chunawala
Hi everybody, I hope this finds you in the pink of health. I am Quasar, and I hail from Mumbai, India. I own a blog on the internet, parked at http://www.mainframes360.com. I am an application developer by profession. I intend to write an article on TSO/E on my blog. I have been reading matter

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 11/17/2012 2:30 AM, Quasar Chunawala wrote: ... why should a time-slot be given to a TSO user, who hasn't pressed an AID key(like Enter)? Maybe, he's just staring at a dataset. Isn't this a waste of processor-time? Or am I missing out something. No CPU time slice is provided to any unit of

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Mike Myers
Hi Quasar: Back in the very beginning (OS/360 MVT in 1971), TSO was introduced. At that time, it consisted of a monitor program which used time-slicing to distribute the CPU time it was given among the TSO users that were logged on. With the introduction of the System Resource Manager (SRM)

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Quasar Chunawala
Hi Mike - Thank you very much for your reply. I have just another questions. I have put them inline, in the body of your e-mail in *red *color. On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.comwrote: Hi Quasar: Back in the very beginning (OS/360 MVT in 1971), TSO was

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Mike Myers
Quasar: The status of an address space is maintained in an address space related control block (probably the ASCB, if you want to look it up). The status includes the swap state and the ready state is also represented by the presence of the address space on the ready queue (it is removed from

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 11/17/2012 11:59 AM, Quasar Chunawala wrote: Hi Mike - Thank you very much for your reply. I have just another questions. I have put them inline, in the body of your e-mail in *red *color. On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.comwrote: Hi Quasar: Back in the

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Skip Robinson
From: Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 11/17/2012 02:30 AM Subject:Regarding Time Sharing Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Hi everybody, I hope this finds you in the pink of health. I am

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In -21782995201426460@unknownmsgid, on 11/17/2012 at 10:30 AM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said: I hope this finds you in the pink of health. I am Quasar, and I hail from Mumbai, India. I own a blog on the internet, parked at http://www.mainframes360.com. I am an application

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 50a7b9c0.6050...@mentor-services.com, on 11/17/2012 at 11:22 AM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com said: Back in the very beginning (OS/360 MVT in 1971), TSO was introduced. At that time, it consisted of a monitor program which used time-slicing to distribute the CPU time it was given

Re: Regarding Time Sharing

2012-11-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CA+Myz1VcB0i2LMr7R=1uc1t5sdc5kna-o+dmtxezd2hoovz...@mail.gmail.com, on 11/17/2012 at 11:29 PM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said: Thank you very much for your reply. I have just another questions. I have put them inline, in the body of your e-mail in *red *color. No you