Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-07 Thread Don Leahy
gt; > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > > behalf of R.S. > > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was R

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-07 Thread Joe Monk
t; > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of R.S. > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-07 Thread R.S.
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
PKB -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-06 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
Touche! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-06 Thread R.S.
W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Edward Finnell
Having a written constitution helps set the foundation for our Republic. It's pretty straightforward. The Feds are charged with controlling 'enumerated' responsibilities. The states are responsible for everything else. Where the boundaries overlap or converge the courts decide. This is not a

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mike Schwab
; From: Seymour J Metz > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 05/08/2020 15:02 > Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL > After All These Years? > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > Contrast the US with the E

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Bob Bridges
The thing many non-Americans don't understand (and many Americans, too, I'm afraid) is that the states in the USA are not provinces. They're called "states" because they were individual countries that decided to form a ~partial~ union. The US Constitution defines what are the powers of the

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Except speed limits only became

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? No colonies were involved in speed limits. We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Martin Packer
ance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Seymour J Metz To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 05/08/2020 15:02 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mike Schwab
.com.pl] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > > Years? > > > > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. > > Standar

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread R.S.
Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Federal limits, state limits... This is something

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
[IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? I think what baffles the rest of the world is the point of states

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo. You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to anot

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Mohammad Khan
Once the argument over who has what powers became really hot :) MKK On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:04:37 -0500, Joe Monk wrote: >"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." > >It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the >federal government has

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread R.S.
So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo. You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another. And we have the same voltage and

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Martin Packer
OBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List "Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the federal government has certai

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Joe Monk
"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the federal government has certain powers. Joe On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. wrote: > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I

Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread R.S.
Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary

OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-05 Thread Bob Bridges
Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-04 Thread Roger W Suhr
to:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?   On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:23 AM R.S. <mailto:r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> wrote: > (I know it's off-topic) > My opinion: I like american cars and roads. > However I don

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-04 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:23 AM R.S. wrote: > (I know it's off-topic) > My opinion: I like american cars and roads. > However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my > opinion too low for the road on desert. > Pretty much "inertia". Back when 55 was first introduced, it

Re: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-04 Thread David Spiegel
in South Dakota - are reasonable. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? (I know it's off-topic) My

Re: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-04 Thread Tony Thigpen
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? (I know it's off-topic) My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand

Re: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-04 Thread Pommier, Rex
COBOL After All These Years? (I know it's off-topic) My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too low for the road on desert. BTW: Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. However in Germany default

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-08-04 Thread R.S.
(I know it's off-topic) My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too low for the road on desert. BTW: Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 07:58:07 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Centigrade was derived f

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-28 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 07:58:07 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Centigrade was derived from Celsius, however, both described only the >freezing point and boiling point of water at NTP. > If "was derived" implies a historical sequence, I think you have it reversed. >My physics teachers said don't

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Tom Brennan
Worth watching, thanks! Usually I'd rather read than listen, but this guy really moves along. That's about half an hour of info packed into 12 minutes. On 7/23/2020 6:17 PM, Tony Thigpen wrote: I know this has just about run it's course, but I came across this interesting youtube video

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Tony Thigpen
I know this has just about run it's course, but I came across this interesting youtube video about "why the US did not adopt the metric system" by a legitimate historian. https://youtu.be/yseldOMcT4Q Tony Thigpen Bob Bridges wrote on 7/23/20 10:13 AM: I would be willing to follow such a

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Bob Bridges
I would be willing to follow such a convention, if there's a consensus for it, or possibly even if it's requested by only a few. Personally I enjoy such discussions - obviously - but I can see not everyone would. But what constitutes OT? These things have recently started with a discussion

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Joe Monk
t; > > -Original Message- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and E

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, at 22:58, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > Should an outfitter sell climbing ropes rated in Newtons? I have a feeling that things like safety harnesses (for people working at height), fall-arrest systems etc are rated in Newtons etc. It's probably because it's not just the static

Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-23 Thread kekronbekron
DU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point > of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100?" > > Because: > > The centigrad

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
EDU] on behalf > of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Centigrade was derived from Celsius, however, both described only the >

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
ds is a measure of pressure > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Mike Schwab
riginal Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > Ye

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Mike Schwab
M Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > > You have the same mass versus weight issue wi

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Tony Thigpen
Horse Power?? Tony Thigpen Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 10:20 PM: On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:31:03 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: Foot pounds is a measure of pressure ??? Torque? -Original Message- From: Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM Yes, and whyat is lbf?

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:31:03 +, Gibney, Dave wrote: >Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > ??? Torque? >> -Original Message- >> From: Seymour J Metz >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM >> >> Yes, and whyat is lbf? -- gil

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Gibney, Dave
of Gibney, Dave > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 8:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discus

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Gibney, Dave
Foot pounds is a measure of pressure > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All The

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
: Still COBOL After All These Years? Actually, the pound is a unit of force in English units. I believe weight is measured in stones. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:23 PM &g

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Gibney, Dave
Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > You have the same mass versus weight issue with pound. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!JmPEg > BY0HMszNaDT!6qfIOAdssnfWNb9bnHdVr6M

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I took me a while befo

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
du/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All T

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) Thank you France. Vive la pound, and inch, and mile...

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > (BTW, what's the SI unit of Specific Impulse? And the formula for ∆v? Ugh!) > > From wikipedia: “The most common unit for specific impulse is the second, as values are identical

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Tony Thigpen
See! SI is a "FANTASTIC" improvement over old stuff. It's all standardized and everyone talks in the same way. (NOT!) Thank you France. Vive la pound, and inch, and mile... (This post was posted with sarcastic mode set to "on".) Tony Thigpen Paul Gilmartin wrote on 7/22/20 5:58 PM: On Wed,

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
behalf > of Joe Monk > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade doesn't > exist. > > On Wed, J

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >I took me a while before I realized that, of course, kg is a unit of mass, not >of weight; you weigh tings in kilogram-force (kgf or kgF). > Which of the following would you envision and welcome as an idiomatic alternative?: o ... how

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade doesn't exist. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob wrote: > We have definitely devolved . . . l

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Joe Monk
Bob Bridges > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > attachments.] > > I just think the wor

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Joe Monk
nt: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:51 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All > These Years? > > A kilogram is not a weight, Bob. Never has been; never will be. I'm not > one to be anal-retentive. This point is m

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Pommier, Rex
- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 1:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? A kilogram is not a weight, Bob. Never has been; never will be. I'm not one

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Jul 22, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, > here? As long as you stay near the earth’s surface, you can treat mass and weight as equivalent. But kilograms measure mass, not weight. If I go into orbit around

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020, at 19:41, Bob Bridges wrote: > Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, > here? That kg is a measure of mass, ie how much there is of something. One kg of sugar on earth is the same amount as 1 kg on the moon. Weight depends on gravity.

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson [jesse1.robin...@sce.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? When I was a kid a hundred years ago, the cano

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jackson, Rob Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread David Spiegel
*98.6 On 2020-07-22 14:38, Bob Bridges wrote: For weather I don't feel the need to distinguish between 67°F and 68°F. "High 60s" is close enough for most conversations. I suppose you already know this, but when someone (I forget who) first worked out the normal human temperature, he

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
on behalf of Bob Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? For weather I don't feel the need to distinguish between 67°F and 68°F. "High 60s" is c

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Jackson, Rob
Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Who doesn't? You may not, but lots

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Jackson, Rob
Mainframe Technical Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Bob Bridges
Who doesn't? You may not, but lots of other people do. What am I missing, here? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Bob Bridges
For weather I don't feel the need to distinguish between 67°F and 68°F. "High 60s" is close enough for most conversations. I suppose you already know this, but when someone (I forget who) first worked out the normal human temperature, he measured a number of people and arrived at an average

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Bob Bridges
I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively euphonious. A personal bias. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was

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2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Jackson, Rob [rwjack...@firsthorizon.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? My high school physics teacher would be rolling in his grave about now. You don't weigh

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2020-07-22 Thread Mike Hochee
was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] If we're going to express sympathy for imperial units, I've always thought the furlong was pretty useful. Not so much when you're driving a car, but for walking it works

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2020-07-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
[curtis@austin.utexas.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without

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2020-07-22 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. If 30s are hot, what do you call 40s? We hit 106°F last week, which is

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2020-07-22 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
What about cubits and stadia? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution

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2020-07-22 Thread Bob Bridges
If we're going to express sympathy for imperial units, I've always thought the furlong was pretty useful. Not so much when you're driving a car, but for walking it works pretty well. Portages in Minnesota and Ontario are measured in rods, but I could never get my head wrapped around them.

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2020-07-22 Thread Jackson, Rob
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s

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2020-07-22 Thread David Spiegel
Yeah, except that Fahrenheit degrees are smaller. For the same accuracy, you'd have to resort to digits to the right of the decimal point. Feh! On 2020-07-22 12:15, Bob Bridges wrote: Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy:

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2020-07-22 Thread Joe Monk
Centigrade? It always thought it's Celsius. :) Joe On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:16 AM Bob Bridges wrote: > Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to > think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are > warm, 30s are hot. > > I get

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-22 Thread Bob Bridges
Interesting; centigrade is the one system I use nowadays without having to think much about it. It's so easy: 0s are cold, 10s are cool, 20s are warm, 30s are hot. I get kilometers but I think in miles. For short measurements I like centimeters and millimeters, but I couldn’t tell you how tall

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2020-07-22 Thread Bob Bridges
I wondered whether someone would catch me on that. Yeah, I know AltaVista gave up the ghost a while ago. I still ~think~ "AltaVista"; I type "alta" in the address bar and select Yahoo from the list. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Programmer: We've all heard

Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?

2020-07-21 Thread David Crayford
Not as bad as the pint. I thought I was being short changed when I first ordered a beer in the USA! On 21 Jul 2020, at 10:57 pm, Tom Russell wrote: >> Do we really want to stick with a system of units that few of us understand, >> with the >> same name denoting different quantities depending

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2020-07-21 Thread Tony Thigpen
I guess everyone knows I can't type worth a flip. :-) Tony Thigpen Mike Schwab wrote on 7/21/20 4:58 PM: 100 KPM (Kilometers per minute) would be about 6,000 KPH (Kilometers per hour), about Mach 6, or 3 times the speed of the Concorde. On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:24 PM Tony Thigpen wrote:

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2020-07-21 Thread Mike Schwab
100 KPM (Kilometers per minute) would be about 6,000 KPH (Kilometers per hour), about Mach 6, or 3 times the speed of the Concorde. On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:24 PM Tony Thigpen wrote: > Too many things > > That context was with regard to driving in Canada and should have been > 100 KPM, not

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2020-07-21 Thread Tony Thigpen
: (External):Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL Well, "the whole nine yards" is about cloth, so I guess it fits the two known items. :-) As for things being in SI and not US, but labeled as US, yes, I too am seeing that. If you b

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2020-07-21 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL Well, "the whole nine yards" is about cloth, so I gue

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2020-07-21 Thread Gibney, Dave
nframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Tony Thigpen > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 11:25 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Too many things > > That context was with regard to driving in Can

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2020-07-21 Thread Tony Thigpen
Well, "the whole nine yards" is about cloth, so I guess it fits the two known items. :-) As for things being in SI and not US, but labeled as US, yes, I too am seeing that. If you buy washers (for bolts) at the big box stores, they have larger holes than the ones at the true hardware store.

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2020-07-21 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, at 17:00, Tony Thigpen wrote: > It's all perspective and how precise you need to be. And what we are > measuring. > > The only thing I know that is measured in yards is cloth and football. What about "the whole nine yards"? > In home improvements, boards and such are

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2020-07-21 Thread Tony Thigpen
Too many things That context was with regard to driving in Canada and should have been 100 KPM, not 100 knots. :-( Last time I was in Canada, we still were stuck with mostly 55mph limits in USA while Canada seemed to have a standard of 100kpm so I equate the two. My point was that I

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2020-07-21 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:12 AM, David Spiegel wrote: > > "... 100 knots is about 55mph ..." > Assuming you meant Kilometers/Hour (based upon the context), it's actually > 62.5 MPH. > Well, if the posted limit is 55 mph, 62.5 mph seems about the right speed to go.  But duck-duck-go tells me

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2020-07-21 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Tony, "... 100 knots is about 55mph ..." Assuming you meant Kilometers/Hour (based upon the context), it's actually 62.5 MPH. Regards, David On 2020-07-21 12:00, Tony Thigpen wrote: It's all perspective and how precise you need to be. And what we are measuring. The only thing I know

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2020-07-21 Thread Tony Thigpen
It's all perspective and how precise you need to be. And what we are measuring. The only thing I know that is measured in yards is cloth and football. In football, we never measure in feet or inches, just yards. We just care if it crosses the line. For construction, we never use yards, it's

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2020-07-21 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Tom, Don't forget that Metric was foisted upon us (as was federal bilingualism) by Justin's father as a political move after he quelled the FLQ Crisis. It also was a sneaky way to get more tax revenue. That is, 1 penny/liter gasoline tax seems more palatable than an extra 4.5 cents/gallon.

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2020-07-21 Thread Tom Russell
> Do we really want to stick with a system of units that few of us understand, > with the > same name denoting different quantities depending on context? I agree with Shmuel. As a Canadian I was always mildly amused that the Americans had different quarts and gallons from us. They were wrong

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2020-07-21 Thread David Crayford
Q8SQ4oOvA > > > > From: David Crayford > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 21/07/2020 14:58 > Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After > All These Years? > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > >

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2020-07-21 Thread Martin Packer
MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 21/07/2020 14:58 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List I agree that cups are useful! The only time I find Imperial useful is reading US recipes that use cups. Other

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2020-07-21 Thread David Crayford
I agree that cups are useful! The only time I find Imperial useful is reading US recipes that use cups. Other than that Imperial is brain damaged! And I say that having grown up in the UK to a family which used Imperial all the time in my youth. I used to go to the sweet shop and ask for a

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2020-07-21 Thread Martin Packer
nel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: "Pew, Curtis G" To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 21/07/2020 14:46 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Jul 20, 2020, at 10:22

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