Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
We are running zVM 5.2 and currently still have manual 3490 tape drives. We may soon be getting an IBM DS8300 (shared with zOS) with TS1120 virtual tape. We have 5 VM systems with separate VMTAPE catalogs. They currently do not have any native physical tape drives planned for the VM systems. We

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Someone there may be getting confused. The IBM DS8300 is a virtual tape system. It can work standalone as a disk based VTS or, in conjunction with the robotics side to make it a tape based VTS system (with a very large disk cache). Then, there is the IBM TS1120. These are real tape drives

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Imler, Steven J
Hi Ann, When you say VMTAPE ... I assume you mean CA's VM:Tape product. If this is the case, just call CA's VM Customer Support or open an issue yourself for VM:Tape via CASupport so we can get a bit more information about your configuration and make some recommendations about what the best

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
We do DDR's and SPXTAPE every day to virtual (VTS) tapes. Treat them like physical tapes. SPXTAPE's for DR - same as using physical tapes: if the spool files won't fit on one tape you'll need to mount enough scratch tapes for SPXTAPE to use: vmtape mount scratch 181 dsn jrr.spxtape.1OF3 (retpd

Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
My current CP Owned list looks like this: Slots Use 1-10 Spool 11-15 Reserved 16-17 Dump 18-39 Page 40T-Disk 41-50 Reserved I need to double the spool space for upcoming events (z/TPF dumps). I know that I can use slots 11-15 and 5 slots from the 41-50 range. I would rather

Re: Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread Mark Wheeler
Richard, I allocate the first 1000 cylinders of each of my (3390-9) page volumes as SPOL, then mark it as DUMP space in SYSTEM CONFIG. That would free up your dedicated DUMP volumes, which could be redeployed as spool. Best regards, Mark L. Wheeler IT Infrastructure, 3M Center B224-4N-20, St

Re: Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
Richard, You could lose any existing CP dump files that are still in SPOOL when you reallocate. AFAIK, VMDUMP files go on regular SPOOL volumes, so they shouldn't be affected. If the existing dump volumes are becoming regular SPOOL volumes, with the same volsers and slots, I would expect

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
Thanks for the info. We did install DFSMS - at least now have an RMSMASTR id. But the new tape hardware is not yet installed. But we'll still be using VMTAPE since it manages the tape catalog. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
Still wouldn't be enough in the sequence. Adding those 2 slots would still leave me 3 short. Other than that, I really don't see the point. With today's disk architecture, that type of distinction is perhaps meaningless. Besides, the space is reserved regardless of where it resides. Regards,

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
It's probably me that is confused. I have been told VM will have virtual tape but no native tape. They also have used the term 'backend tape'. I obviously have more to learn. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent:

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
Yes I do mean the CA VMTAPE product. I have opened issues with CA. I need to upgrade both VMTAPE and VMBACKUP, apply a patch to support encryption and convert to LMP keys. I've never supported these products but the folks at CA who support them are very helpful. No problems there. They are great

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
Ann, You shouldn't have any trouble using virtual tape with VM or VM:Tape. We use it here, primarily for VM:Backup and VM:Spool. VM:Spool uses SPXTAPE under the covers. I'm sure DDR will work fine, too. One phase of our DR process mounts virtual tapes as FOREIGN on another VM system, and it

Re: Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
The existing spool, not including dump space, volumes would remain in place on their current volumes. I do not think that, if there were no existing dumps, that relocating those two disks to different slots would be a problem. The system did not even whimper when it came up minus the first of the

Re: Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
Losing dumps would not be a problem. If there were any, I would log on to OPERATNS and transfer them to disk before the shutdown. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Backend tape usually refers to the tape drives that are assigned and dedicated to a tape based VTS system. So those tape drives that are dedicated to the VTS, can't be touched by any other method. They are not attached to the mainframe, but attached to the VTS. So, if you are going to create

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
Thanks. I was hoping to VMTAPE mount the maintenance tapes to the other VM systems as FOREIGN tapes. And yes, there will be a VTS at the remote DR site. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O'Brien, Dennis L Sent: Monday, March

Re: Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread Stephen Frazier
OK, the fact that one time there were no files on or partly on the disk in slot 16 when you IPLed with out it does not mean that there will not be the next time. As you have the disks at 16 and 17 marked for dump storage nothing else should be on them. If you are willing to lose all the dumps on

Re: Question about virtual tape in a zVM environment

2008-03-24 Thread Stephen Frazier
Have you considered how you will get data from the local VTS to the remote VTS? Smith, Ann (ISD, IT) wrote: Thanks. I was hoping to VMTAPE mount the maintenance tapes to the other VM systems as FOREIGN tapes. And yes, there will be a VTS at the remote DR site. -- Stephen Frazier Information

Re: Adding Spool Volumes

2008-03-24 Thread Mark Wheeler
Richard, Dump space isn't allocated as a static amount - it changes over time. And there's a limit (I don't recall what) on how many chunks it can be allocated in. Before I started doing this (years ago) I had situations where regular spool space became too fragmented to allocate dumps. That's