Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Gary M. Dennis
Z/VOS is a CMS application. The glass-side user will only see Windows via RDC and know nothing of or about CMS or VM. Gary On 7/22/08 8:30 PM, "dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good luck, Gary. I do hope your organization can pull this > off. VM-ers need more employment possibilities:-) >

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread dave
Good luck, Gary. I do hope your organization can pull this off. VM-ers need more employment possibilities:-) I gather from some of your previous posts to this list that your Windows support software, z/VOS, is in fact a sophisticated CMS-based application, that is a user would log onto a CMS u

Re: Interpreting Trace

2008-07-22 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 07/22/2008 at 01:57 EDT, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TRACE TYPE IO, CPU 0005 TIME 16:28:05.323115 >TRACEID = T670, TRACESET = NULL, IODATA = 128 >USER = SYSTEM, I/O OLD PSW = 0704D001 8000 002C0FBE >DEVICE = 06

Re: TCPIP & PCOMM 658 Code

2008-07-22 Thread Karl J Severson
That's okay. I'll be checking with Computer Associates tomorrow since the error message I was getting was from VM:Operator. I checked to make sure we were running the most recent version of VM:Manager and Operator and we appear to be. Somehow though I think it's a TCPIP problem but I don't really c

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Austin, Alyce (CIV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad to hear that you were successful. We will be upgrading > from SuSE 8.2 to SuSE 10 sp2. Not all in one jump, I hope, as that isn't a supported upgrade path. Even if

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Austin, Alyce (CIV)
I'm glad to hear that you were successful. We will be upgrading from SuSE 8.2 to SuSE 10 sp2. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Le Blanc, Frank Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:22 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE L

Re: downloading CMS files

2008-07-22 Thread Raymond Noal
You can also get a free secure FTP program from BlueZone. Just go to - www.bluezonesoftware.com/products and download their secure FTP program. It really works great. I've been using it for years for both z/OS and z/VM file transfers. HITACHI DATA SYSTEMS Raymond E. Noal Senior Technical Engin

Re: downloading CMS files

2008-07-22 Thread Howard Rifkind
Try downloading SmartFTP. Much better then WS-ftp... >>> Fran Hensler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7/22/2008 5:32 PM >>> Yes, the free version was for educational and personal use. But it can no longer be installed, at the the last LE version can't. It phones home and you get a screen that suggests you b

Re: downloading CMS files

2008-07-22 Thread Fran Hensler
Yes, the free version was for educational and personal use. But it can no longer be installed, at the the last LE version can't. It phones home and you get a screen that suggests you buy WS_FTP Home. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 45 years mailto:[EMAIL PR

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:47 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Hilliard, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone having difficulties downloading the ISO files? I haven't heard of anyone having problems, except for people trying to use Internet Explorer running into its 2GB size l

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread David Boyes
> > How can the z handle "3000 copies of Windows" all running a > > graphic user > > interface (cpu-intensive) ? Probably the Windows Server 2008 configuration, which can have the GUI disabled. Gee. Shades of OS/2 Warp. 8-) -- db

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Gary M. Dennis
When I read this post I sat at my machine for about 2 minutes trying to figure out a good way to respond to your question. In that 2 minutes nothing on my screen changed except the seconds field on the time box. Everything else in the video buffer stayed absolutely the same during that wait. It i

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Hilliard, Chris
Is anyone having difficulties downloading the ISO files? I appear to be getting some sort of authorization error... HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:19

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Paul Raulerson
I think that even 10 copies of Windows, especially in an emulated environment, will eat up enormous amounts of zSeries CPU. Add in the license costs from Microsoft, and I'm not sure it makes any kind of financial sense. But I like the idea. I plan to watch this develop with my eyes out

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Gary M. Dennis
No web site exists for z/VOS. The target for the web site is product launch date -45 (November 15). --. .- .-. -.-- Gary Dennis Mantissa Corporation On 7/22/08 1:07 PM, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System >> [mailto

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Macioce, Larry
Maybe not all the windows users will be doing GUI types of things, but what about the movement of the cursor ,doesn't each movement use I/O? Or has this issue been addressed also? Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrci

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Rich Smrcina
My guess is that all of the GUIs won't be actively doing things all at the same time. Newer levels of Windows can also run headless. Granted 3000 copies of Windows will probably require some pretty good sized hardware, this sounds like a pretty cool product. Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote: Ho

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Romanowski, John (OFT) > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:44 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture > > How can the z handle "3000

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread C T
The hardest part, of course, will be turning the machine over to get the Microsoft license key off the bottom... On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Gary M. Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We looked very hard at the licensing aspect of this. We don't see anything > in the Microsoft EULA that wo

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
How can the z handle "3000 copies of Windows" all running a graphic user interface (cpu-intensive) ? This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addres

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Gary M. Dennis
We looked very hard at the licensing aspect of this. We don't see anything in the Microsoft EULA that would permit or cause them to treat this environment different any different than existing VM environments. This environment should work in their favor since the images (and therefore the licenses

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread John P. Baker
It sounds like Mantissa is on the road that I am interested in. Specifically, I would like to see IBM incorporate the capability into z/VM to dispatch virtual machines on disparate architectures made available via co-processing capabilities, such as those currently provided for encryption, and whe

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary M. Dennis > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:03 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture > > This was our post to the zd net blo

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Schuh, Richard
Interesting idea. What are the licensing issues? (And is VM Vista Ready? ;-) ) Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary M. Dennis > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:03 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Gary M. Dennis
This was our post to the zd net blog. "Maybe we already have. In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Using a desktop appliance running RDC, users will be able to connect to their virtual Windows images running in the VM envir

Interpreting Trace

2008-07-22 Thread Schuh, Richard
In the continuing saga of trying to make certain devices that say they are tape drives but aren't look more like tape drives, the vendor has been able to eliminate the streaming unsolicited interrupts when the device is detached from a user; however, there is now a single Unit Check with Command

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Jack Woehr
Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: Mark and Richard, thanks for the information. I'm new to Linux and come from an IBM mainframe proprietary operating system heritage. I'm slowly realizing that the intended audience for these publications is not the IBM heritage guy, but the Linux guy who's now got to

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:57 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark and Richard, thanks for the information. > > I'm new to Linux and come from an IBM mainframe proprietary operating > system heritage. I'm slowly realizing that the inten

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Quay, Jonathan (IHG)
Mark and Richard, thanks for the information. I'm new to Linux and come from an IBM mainframe proprietary operating system heritage. I'm slowly realizing that the intended audience for these publications is not the IBM heritage guy, but the Linux guy who's now got to work on Z. -Original

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Adam Thornton
On Jul 22, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the rest of that pack and a 152 disk that's another full pack. I can't find any rationale for this

Re: Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread C T
With the BSOD replaced by the GSOD? On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Bob Heerdink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9183 > > "Should we toss x86 architecture and wipe the slate with something greener > and more scalable?" > > "Windows Server 2016 128-bit edition runni

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:36 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided > CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the > rest of that pack and a 152 disk

Nice idea in blog: Should we toss x86 architecture

2008-07-22 Thread Bob Heerdink
http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9183 "Should we toss x86 architecture and wipe the slate with something greene r and more scalable?" "Windows Server 2016 128-bit edition running virtualized on z/VM in a gre en datacenter, accessed via my house from a thin client over high-speed fibe r optic c

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread RPN01
Without looking, I'd guess that the 150 disk ends up being /boot, though I'd say the size is too small to all maintenance to be applied there, and the other two disks become your other filesystems and directories, in some layout or another. You say "full pack", but that has no meaning today so it'

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Quay, Jonathan (IHG)
So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the rest of that pack and a 152 disk that's another full pack. I can't find any rationale for this, or any further installation instructions that take this into a

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Thomas Kern
Each system should have its own VMSYS filepool, but nothing requires that it be in a userid named VMSERVS. In a shared directory, make multiple userid s like VMASERVS, VMBSERVS, VMCSERVS, and you can configur each to provide t he VMSYS filepool for their own system. You do need to make sure the ri

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread RPN01
That doesn¹t deal with the write-enabled minidisks owned by those users, though. You¹d need to use SYSAFFIN to isolate minidisks to specific LPARs, and if you did this, your filepools wouldn¹t actually be shared. If you don¹t do something with SYSAFFIN and just allow all the systems to access the m

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Kris Buelens
DFSMS wants to have a VMSYS server. VMSYS filepool IDs are local, so each VM system would need one. When you use CSE with a shared CP directory,SASAFFIN records in the directory can make that users in one system have other minidisks than users in other systems. So, even with CSE, you can have

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Robert J Brenneman
Another approach - the one I use - is to add each of the VMSERV[S|U|R] systems to the XSPOOL input and output exclude lists in SYSTEM CONFIG. This prevents them from participating in the shared spool configuration, but allows them to log on to multiple VM systems in the CSE cluster concurrently. I

Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z

2008-07-22 Thread Le Blanc, Frank
We downloaded the suse-10 sp2 starter system and installed it with no problems. Using this starter system we are almost finished upgrading a suse-9 guest to suse-10 sp2.

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Florian Bilek
Kris, thank you for this info. But isn't it the case that e.g. DFSMS/VM need th ose SFS servers and if so, I thought the name MUST always be the original one . If this is not the case than fine. Does it mean that the DFSMS an be run from other SFS servers as well? Best regards, Florian

Re: CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Kris Buelens
The VMSERVx servers can be started on one VM only at a time. But, they can be reached by users on other VM systems: you'd make a CTC connection between the VM systems and use ACTIVATE ISLINK to make the CP's talk to eachother. "Global" resources are then available throughout the ISFC collection.

CSE and VMSERVx

2008-07-22 Thread Florian Bilek
Dear all, What is the right approach to define VMSERVx machines to work in CSE? When the directory is shared and the names of those machines MUST be the same on all the z/VM instances there is a conflict since they use all the same minidisks. I couldn't find too much information about this.