Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Rick Bourgeois
I got into VM when it was CP/67 in 1970 and it certainly has been a fun ride. One of my first tasks was to use O/S PCP to run multiple O/S jobs under CP to justify the box. This was about the time Aetna started a project to implement O/S MVT. In mid 1971 I moved to Eastern Airlines and lost the

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Marcy Cortes
Does look like z/OS guys can read stuff off after a formatting write though. They told me they found addresses and other such corp properties data with their utility (DSS?) So probably not good enough for Alan :) But when you have to have more than one o/s eating the same disk drive, security

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Marcy Cortes
>Is it possible to not include T-disk space in the remote copy? Its been talked about, but there's like a 1100 volumes in production (and their 1100 mirrors). And only a handful of tdisk volumes... The coding is way easier without having to figure out where we stashed the tdisk vols. But if VM i

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Steve Wilkins
Yes, it is a formatting write. There are no more records on each track after Record 1. Steve Wilkins z/VM I/O Strategy IBM VM Development |> | From: | |> >---

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
I presume that it was done as a formatting write so that there are no more visible fields following record 1. That would at least be a logical erasure of the rest of the track. If that satisfies Chuckie, or even if it satisfies Alan, it is all right with me for them to use the fast erase method.

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Wade
It was a "special" everywhere. The HPO features for PERFORMANCE were bundled into SP6 to restore performance lost in the move from SP5 because of all the extra's as confirmed by the announcement letter:- http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/877/ENUSZP89-0342/ As Kris said you onl

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Marcy Cortes
Apparently does writes 1 4096 byte record on a detach. Onto the next rabbit hole to peak into... Marcy "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take an

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
180 fit in a 3390 cylinder. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subje

Re: Mantissa and X86

2009-02-24 Thread Barton Robinson
VIEW for VMWare for z/VM implies directory management and security interface, as well as other z/VM functions. Probably zPRO is closer to the requirement for that. Stephen Frazier wrote: Dave Jones wrote: Hi, Steve. On July 22,2008, Gary Dennis of Mantissa Corp made the following statement

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Kris Buelens
I'de be surprized if CP would only write 1 4K record per track: 180 4K records fit on a 3390 track, and CP will surely remove all data. You could use DDR PRINT to find out, or use DITTO if you've got it. 2009/2/24 Marcy Cortes > We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-333

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Kris Buelens
I didn't want to say HPO R6 was for Belgium only. No, I wanted to say: in Belgium a special bid was required to get it. 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack > No, HPO 6 was available in the US as well, because I replaced an HPO 6 > system with VM/ESA 1.2.1 in 1994. > > Jim > > Kris Buelens wrote: > >> --0016

Re: Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
Have you tried to define a T-disk and run DDR to see what had been done without formatting the disk? I see where it says that binary zeros are written, but it doesn't say how many. I suppose it could do a formatting write and just write one record of any size. I don't know if that would satisfy the

Clear_Tdisk question

2009-02-24 Thread Marcy Cortes
We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the address

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Bohnsack
No, HPO 6 was available in the US as well, because I replaced an HPO 6 system with VM/ESA 1.2.1 in 1994. Jim Kris Buelens wrote: --001636c598448597520463af4eed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of spe

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread James Stracka (DHL US)
I got into VM late in life. My first VM system was HPO 3.6. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM system

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Kris Buelens
There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of special bid only in Belgium. I installed it for my customer: we needed >16 Meg real storage and VM/APPC programs talking to OS/2 (hence AVS), VM/XA could not help us, so we got HPO R6 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack > I think SEPP was available for V

Re: Mantissa and X86

2009-02-24 Thread Stephen Frazier
Dave Jones wrote: Hi, Steve. On July 22,2008, Gary Dennis of Mantissa Corp made the following statement on the VM list: In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Gary Dennis Mantissa Corporation I am guessing that the way

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2009-02-24 Thread Steve Mitchell
With SLES 9 guest and WebSphere V5 (basic mode) we had all of our data ba se traffic to z/OS passing over Hipersockets. Since upgrading to SLES10 SP2 and WebSphere V6.1(Network Deployment) the data base traffic is going ove r the lan. Ignoring Hipersocket. We've traceroute etc and the 'routi

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Bohnsack
I think SEPP was available for VM/370 R5.  SEPP, if remember correctly, was the "official" version of the Wheeler Scheduler. I don't thing BSEPP included the Wheeler Scheduler.  HPO R4 was probably the shortest lived IBM release ever.  I supported a shop that was a Beta site (or whatever they

Re: Moving On II

2009-02-24 Thread George Haddad
Thanks for your service to the community. Best of luck in rebounding. Mark Wheeler wrote: Greetings folks, The proverbial last shoe dropped Thursday, when I was notified that my position at 3M has been eliminated. If anyone in the Minneapolis/St Paul area is looking for person with solid z/VM

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Ivan Warren
Tom Duerbusch wrote: Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Rele

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Schuh, Richard
Yes, the SPs overlapped the later Releases, and the HPOs overlapped the later SPs. IIRC, SP1 was based on Release 4. It came out later than the release and wasn't well received because of problems. There was even the famous T-shirt that Jim Bergsten designed and sold at SHARE. It depicted the VM te

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Hansen
There also was VM/IS 4. I had the pleasure of supporting VM in a module replacement only environment. IBM had some great System Engineers that helped the customers back then. Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you, Dave Hansen Sr. Systems Programmer Hennepin Coun

Re: Second level VM systems

2009-02-24 Thread Tom Duerbusch
Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 V

Re: Moving On II

2009-02-24 Thread RPN01
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Re: Mantissa and X86

2009-02-24 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Steve. On July 22,2008, Gary Dennis of Mantissa Corp made the following statement on the VM list: In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Gary Dennis Mantissa Corporation I am guessing that the way that this might work

Re: Mantissa and X86

2009-02-24 Thread Rich Smrcina
This page has more info: http://www.mantissa.com/products/UV/zvos-for-schools Steve Mitchell wrote: Will it run windows? I don't see any verbiage making that specific claim. Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of

Re: Mantissa and X86

2009-02-24 Thread Steve Mitchell
Will it run windows? I don't see any verbiage making that specific claim. Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any attac