Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Wayne T Smith
A few weeks ago, Dick MacKinnon touched on these subjects during his invited remarks "DEFINING YOURSELF -- LIVING YOUR LIFE & PREVENTING SOME BAD THINGS" at the University of Maine. Richard A. MacKinnon has, among many titles, "Former Head of IBM Cambridge Scientific Center". Cheers, Wayne On T

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 12/16/2010 at 04:32 EST, Dave Jones wrote: > So what you are saying is that the only interest folks might have in > using modern compilers on CMS is to write "business" applications and > nothing else? Remember that IBM first sold us on PL/I as an all-purpose > language, one that co

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Richard Troth
The business case for CP40 was Project Mac, which IBM lost. But the engineers (and some customers) recognized the value in CP and CMS and fostered it in spite of the MIT spanking. Serious use of VM for MVS development did not happen until a decade later when it saved their bacon by emulating XA be

Re: DIRMAINT Memory Question

2010-12-16 Thread Lee Stewart
Must have been fuzzy brain cellsOK, thanks Lee On 12/16/2010 6:12 PM, Scott Rohling wrote: You can get a copy of the directory with passwords X'd out (DIRM USER NOPASS). That's the only 'masking' that's ever been available... Scott Rohling On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Le

Re: DIRMAINT Memory Question

2010-12-16 Thread Scott Rohling
You can get a copy of the directory with passwords X'd out (DIRM USER NOPASS). That's the only 'masking' that's ever been available... Scott Rohling On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Lee Stewart wrote: > Hi all... > This is more of a memory question than a technical one this time... > > I

Re: DIRMAINT Memory Question

2010-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
Lee are you remembering getting the USER DIRECT file from dirmaint with/without the "WITHPASS" option? DJ On 12/16/2010 6:57 PM, Lee Stewart wrote: Hi all... This is more of a memory question than a technical one this time... I thought I recalled that DIRMAINT used to have an option to mask u

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
To this best of my knowledge, I don't believe that there was a business case made; at least it was not mentioned in any of Melinda's "History of VM" papers. DJ On 12/16/2010 6:37 PM, Schuh, Richard wrote: Did anyone build a legitimate business case for CP-40 before it was built? Regards, Ric

DIRMAINT Memory Question

2010-12-16 Thread Lee Stewart
Hi all... This is more of a memory question than a technical one this time... I thought I recalled that DIRMAINT used to have an option to mask user passwords so they weren't in clear text. The 6.1 DIRMAINT doesn't. Is that memory right? Did it used to be able to? If so, about when (what

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Schuh, Richard
Did anyone build a legitimate business case for CP-40 before it was built? Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:37 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Les Koehler
Not in the beginning. It was a 'face saver' after IBM lost the bid for Project MAC and was an outgrowth of CP-40 and the failure of TSS/360. Yes, at one point it was 'saved' by making the case for MVS development, but by that time there was considerable customer pressure that preceded the polit

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Alan Altmark
Au contraire. It was necessary for "MVS" development.

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Tom Huegel
In fact if history and memory, or is it memory of history serves me there was no buisness case for CP67 (VM) to even be born. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Dave Jones wrote: > Hi, Alan. > > On 12/13/2010 02:38 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: > > On Monday, 12/13/2010 at 09:41 EST, George Henke/NYLIC

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Mack Howard
I think the offset in the SPEC stage following X2C should be 1 to provide two bytes for the hex value: SPEC 1.4 X2C 1 1.4 3 On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Frank M. Ramaekers wrote: > I simply do: > > PIPE | LITERAL D12B 127B B729 | SPLIT | SPEC 1.4 X2C 2 1.4 3 | SORT > | SPEC 3-* 1 | CONS

Re: Mandatory ESMs?

2010-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Alan. On 12/13/2010 02:38 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: > On Monday, 12/13/2010 at 09:41 EST, George Henke/NYLIC > wrote: >> I'm just grateful z/VM is still alive and well and getting stronger and > better >> every day especially with the advent of the z196 and that it is only a > question >>

Re: Expanded storage question

2010-12-16 Thread Bill Munson
Martha, we found it is better to go with some xstor but not a lot we found it is better to page to xstor than dasd we tried it with a lot of XSTOR and a little XSTOR so 30 central and 5 expanded sounds good munson 201-418-7588 From: Martha McConaghy To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date

Re: Expanded storage question

2010-12-16 Thread Barton Robinson
This question is not well understood by most and the rules have changed drastically. Since we have installations with 30gb or even 50GB of expanded storage being used very effectively, i know there are some ROT's out there that are slightly "bogus". IF your linux servers are not polling (or i

Re: Expanded storage question

2010-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
To be explicit, I would allocate 5GB of your 35G z/VM LPAR to expanded storage, and leave 30GB as central. On 12/16/2010 12:50 PM, Martha McConaghy wrote: > I know that this question has come up numerous times in the past, but > I'm don't recall ever seeing a consensus on it. I know that z/VM nee

Re: Expanded storage question

2010-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Martha. IMHO, I don't think the system can make effective use of expanded storage above, say 8GB or 9GB. What you want to have is enough expanded storage to satisfy the so-called 30 second paging requirement. How do you tell if you have enough expanded storage to meet that goal? Why, with a g

Expanded storage question

2010-12-16 Thread Martha McConaghy
I know that this question has come up numerous times in the past, but I'm don't recall ever seeing a consensus on it. I know that z/VM needs expanded storage. However, deciding how much is the trick. We will be moving to a z10 early in the new year. I'm trying to decide how to divide the storag

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Mike Walter
That looks suspiciously like the inspiration for my updated (just yesterday) HEXSORT XEDIT, pasted below. Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. /* Prolog; See Epilog for additional information * Exec Name - HEXSORT

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Jim. Roger Deschner was a well known and respected VM systems programmer at the University of Chicago in the 90s..not sure where he is theses day, thou. If the code has his name on it, I would almost be positive that it wasn't something IUO from IBM. Happy Holidays, too. DJ On 12/16/201

Replays for this week's webcasts - Linux on System z, z/VSE

2010-12-16 Thread Pamela Christina in sunny and bright Endicott
Cross posted to my favorite Listserv's - VM, Main, and Linux :-) Hi, Just letting you know that the replays for the two webcasts (live virtual classes - lvc's) that were held this week are available for your listening pleasure. - What's new in RHEL 6 for Linux on System z - IBM z/VSE V4.3 - More

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Mark Wheeler
I have a SORTHEX XEDIT (from an unknown source - very old). Looks like: /* SORTHEX XEDIT */ PARSE UPPER ARG target colrange "ZONE" colrange "MSGMODE OFF" "MACRO ALTER F0 10 * *" "MACRO

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Jim Bohnsack
I've got a HEXSORT XEDIT and HELPXEDI that I thought came from the IBM Download page but I can't find it there. Not sure where I got it. I don't think it's a leftover from an IBM internal site. Here's the comments at the beginning of it. /* HEXSORT XEDIT: Same as XEDIT SORT, but sorts hexad

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Frank M. Ramaekers
I simply do: PIPE | LITERAL D12B 127B B729 | SPLIT | SPEC 1.4 X2C 2 1.4 3 | SORT | SPEC 3-* 1 | CONSOLE 127B B729 D12B Ready; Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Th

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Tom Huegel
That's it .. Thanks On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Dave Jones wrote: > /* HEXSORT REXX: Sort in HEX */ > 'callpipe', > '*: |', > 'xlate *-* A-F fa-ff fa-ff A-F |', > 'sort' arg(1) '|', > 'xlate *-* A-F fa-ff fa-ff A-F |', > '*:' > exit RC > > On 12/16/2010 09:11 AM, Tom Huegel wrote: > > I kno

Tracing FTP Server Activity

2010-12-16 Thread Moore, Terry A.
I need to briefly track which files are being retrieved from VM via FTP. I enabled the TRACE statement in the FTP server's config file and restarted the FTP VSM. I expected to see it begin to write trace data to FILE DEBUGTRA on the server's 191 disk. The file isn't being created. (Well, there

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Wakser, David
Tom: Lacking a better way, I TRANSLATE characters 0-9 to hex 00-09 first, do the sort, then translate then back after the sort. David Wakser From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Huegel Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:

Re: I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Dave Jones
/* HEXSORT REXX: Sort in HEX */ 'callpipe', '*: |', 'xlate *-* A-F fa-ff fa-ff A-F |', 'sort' arg(1) '|', 'xlate *-* A-F fa-ff fa-ff A-F |', '*:' exit RC On 12/16/2010 09:11 AM, Tom Huegel wrote: > I know I saw someone posted this way back when but I can't find it. > > A real simple pipe to do a

I saw a pipe here, now I can't find it.

2010-12-16 Thread Tom Huegel
I know I saw someone posted this way back when but I can't find it. A real simple pipe to do a 'hex' sort. Input is device addresses. pipe literal D12B 127B B729 | split | sort | console