Re: 2nd level ipl problem?

2008-10-09 Thread Colin Allinson
Jim Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :- I would be interested in hearing from someone who has the opportunity to ipl a 2nd level z/VM 5.4 or earlier while using an emulator screen that is not configured as a mod-2 3270. What I'd like to know is at ipl time, when you've got the first

Re: 2nd level ipl problem?

2008-10-09 Thread Rich Greenberg
On: Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 10:56:43PM -0400,Jim Bohnsack Wrote: I'm seeing something very strange when I ipl a 2nd level VM system. I first noticed it on z/VM 5.4, but this a.m. saw that z/VM 5.3 works the same way. The Guide for Automated Installation and Service, which I was following

Re: 2nd level ipl problem?

2008-10-09 Thread Kim Goldenberg
Jim Bohnsack wrote: I'm seeing something very strange when I ipl a 2nd level VM system. I first noticed it on z/VM 5.4, but this a.m. saw that z/VM 5.3 works the same way. The Guide for Automated Installation and Service, which I was following closely since I was installing from a DVD by way

2nd level ipl problem?

2008-10-08 Thread Jim Bohnsack
I'm seeing something very strange when I ipl a 2nd level VM system. I first noticed it on z/VM 5.4, but this a.m. saw that z/VM 5.3 works the same way. The Guide for Automated Installation and Service, which I was following closely since I was installing from a DVD by way of an FTP server,

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-18 Thread Colin Allinson
Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why I like having my 2ndlvl maintenance system on real volumes with real volsers. I can and will use it as a recovery system. This is a very valid point which my method does not address. The way I define the systems volumes starting at cyl 1

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-18 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 10/17/07, Austin, Alyce (CIV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume I could also bring my new system up lst level rather than 2nd level since I have an additional LPAR available; or, do I have to bring it up 2nd level first (with the new volumes attached) and then bring it up lst level? The

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-18 Thread Kris Buelens
With secondlevel systems it is also much easier to copy things from firstlevel to secondlevel. For example (supposing you install CPHOST from VM's download lib): CP1 LINK someone 191 RR ATT * R/O ACCESS Z And there you have (in R/O mode) all files of minidisk someone 191 at

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-18 Thread Hans Rempel
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 2nd Level IPL With secondlevel systems it is also much easier to copy things from firstlevel to secondlevel. For example (supposing you install CPHOST from VM's download lib): CP1 LINK someone 191 RR ATT * R/O ACCESS Z And there you have

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Jim Bohnsack
Alyce--You also need to go change any mdisks on the 2nd level 520XXX system and change the volid in all mdisk statements to 520XXX from 520RES. The directory statement that Tom mentioned is DIRECTORY. It should be the first non-comment statement in the USER DIRECT file. Also if you copied

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread RPN01
I'm fairly sure that if you change the name of a spool volume, it will not survive the next IPL. Back up your spool to tape before renaming the volume and re-IPLing. -- .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW /( )\

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread RPN01
this. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:20 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 2nd Level IPL I'm fairly sure that if you change the name of a spool volume, it will not survive the next

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Colin Allinson
What I do is this :- 1. Check that the last cylinder is not in use on the starter system volumes (no starter system from IBM that I have ever seen uses cyl 3338). 2. Label new volumes with whatever label meets your local standard. 3. Define a Userid on your 1st level system that will be used

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Stracka, James (GTI)
Wrong. It will survive. Position within CPOWNED is that clobbers this. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:20 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 2nd Level IPL I'm fairly sure

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Brian Nielsen
IBM has very nicely made sure to leave the last cylinder on the xxxRES an d xxxWnn packs empty to make copying them onto 1-END minidisks easy. However, the installation instructions are written to allocate all the wa y to the end of the spool and page volumes. You *can* copy the spool and

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread David Boyes
It's also useful to note that full packs are not required for page and spool. Using minidisks on the 2nd level system and formatting them with ICKDSF using the same labels as the real volumes gives you a disposable page and spool area that you can cold-start at will w/o risking any real data. My

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Austin, Alyce (CIV)
/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:19 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 2nd Level IPL It's also useful to note that full packs are not required for page and spool. Using minidisks on the 2nd level system and formatting

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread RPN01
:19 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 2nd Level IPL It's also useful to note that full packs are not required for page and spool. Using minidisks on the 2nd level system and formatting them with ICKDSF using the same labels as the real volumes gives you a disposable page and spool

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Thomas Kern
volumes attached) and then bring it up lst level? Thanks again, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:19 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 2nd Level IPL It's also

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Stephen Frazier
If you change the name of a spool volume you must change the name in SYSTEM CONFIG. Make sure it is in the same slot number. The name doesn't matter the slot number does. If you change the slot number everything on the spool volume will be lost. RPN01 wrote: I'm fairly sure that if you change

Re: 2nd Level IPL

2007-10-17 Thread Austin, Alyce (CIV)
and my new addr for 520xxx. Thanks again, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:45 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: 2nd Level IPL If you change the name

2nd Level IPL

2007-10-16 Thread Alyce Austin
HELLO, I HAVE DDR COPIED AND RELABELED ALL OF MY Z/VM 5.2 SYSTEM DISKS TO NEW VOLUMES AND NEW ADDRESSES. I ALSO COPIED THE 520RES VOLUME TO A NEW ADDRESS AND RELABELED IT AS 520XXX TO MAKE IT UNIQUE. I PLAN TO IPL MY 520XXX VOLUME SECOND LEVEL POINTING TO MY NEW SYSTEMX CONFIG FILE WHICH POINTS