Did anyone manage to deterse the 180 MB for the latest z/VM 5.4 RSU ?
Mine breaks while complaining insufficient storage, but after a few
experiments I am thinking the file is probably damaged...
Rob
Rob
I did it just last week
I can check tomorrow
Munson
- Original Message -
From: Rob van der Heij [rvdh...@gmail.com]
Sent: 12/16/2009 12:09 AM CET
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: deterse of RSU
Did anyone manage to deterse the 180 MB for the latest z/VM 5.4 RSU ?
Mine
, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Rob van der Heij rvdh...@gmail.com wrote:
Did anyone manage to deterse the 180 MB for the latest z/VM 5.4 RSU ?
Mine breaks while complaining insufficient storage, but after a few
experiments I am thinking the file is probably damaged...
Rob
I'm having problems with DETERSE and there is no error message (no HELP
is provided):
deterse rlst9252 bin f rlst9252 servlink a
Ready(01001); T=0.01/0.01 11:35:46
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE
American Income Life Insurance Co
If DETERSE was created from the IBM internal terse, then return code
1001 means Encoded file not RECFM F LRECL 1024
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Frank M.
Ramaekersframaek...@ailife.com wrote:
I'm having problems with DETERSE and there is no error message (no HELP
is provided):
deterse
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Waco, Texas 76710
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf
Of Bruce Hayden
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:41 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE with service
If DETERSE
z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Bruce Hayden
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:41 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE with service
If DETERSE was created from the IBM internal terse, then return code
1001 means Encoded file not RECFM F
On Wednesday, 09/02/2009 at 12:39 EDT, Frank M. Ramaekers
framaek...@ailife.com wrote:
I'm having problems with DETERSE and there is no error message (no HELP
is provided):
deterse rlst9252 bin f rlst9252 servlink a
Ready(01001); T=0.01/0.01 11:35:46
It means that the RLST9252 BIN file
, September 02, 2009 11:49 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE with service
On Wednesday, 09/02/2009 at 12:39 EDT, Frank M. Ramaekers
framaek...@ailife.com wrote:
I'm having problems with DETERSE and there is no error message (no
HELP
is provided):
deterse rlst9252 bin f rlst9252
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE with service
Yeah, I figured that out (received it with just BINARY, so it
was 8192). Where did you get the error explaination?
Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE
American Income Life
VM releases,
and I do not remember when, or from where, I
got it.
Shimon
Original message
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:18:04 -0600
From: Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Perhaps a polite request to a friendly local IBM
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Subject:=A0=A0 Re: TERSE/DETERSE =
To:=A0=A0 IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Perhaps a polite request to a fr=
iendly local IBM CE/SE might =
produce the module in =
question. It's worth a try, imho.
Imler, Steven J wrote:
As fa=
r as I know
Excellent. Thank you for clearing the way for these compression
alternatives.
/Tom Kern
On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:32:07 -0500, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
wrote:
Follow-up.
On Wednesday, 12/17/2008 at 06:39 EST, Mike Walter
mike.wal...@hewitt.com wrote:
Would IBM VM L2 at least
to
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
To
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
cc
Subject
Re: TERSE/DETERSE
Follow-up.
On Wednesday, 12/17/2008 at 06:39 EST, Mike Walter
mike.wal...@hewitt.com wrote:
Would IBM VM L2 at least _consider_ suggesting (should the customer
already have
Sir Mike the Prestidigitator,
Would it not be an obvious omen to us that the Priests of Endicott
have never blessed us with a TERSE MODULE. Unlike our brethren from
zee Other System we don't need this. We're already very lean and
mean and don't need no terse. With more of z/VM going OCO, things
DETERSE is on MAINT 5E5. I don't see TERSE anywhere.
-Mike
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Thomas Kern
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:45 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
Both options
We have a TERSE module.
Not sure where it came from but it is from IBM.
It is dated May 1993 and contains the string : IBM Internal Use Only
If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the
sender
and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this
Doesn't the IBM VM 2nd level support group want sites to send them VM dumps that have been
compressed by TERSE? Perhaps at one time you had a file that you wanted to send to IBM,
and they sent you the VM TERSE module so you could compress it first?
Rothman, Peter wrote:
We have a TERSE
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12/17/2008 12:26 PM
Please respond to
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
To
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
cc
Subject
Re: TERSE/DETERSE
Doesn't the IBM VM 2nd level support group want sites to send them VM
dumps that have been
compressed by TERSE? Perhaps at one time
using
DETERSE with a PACK option, but I certainly don't remember where I wou
ld
have gotten the directions to do it. If you BROWSE or XEDIT the DETER
SE
MODULE, you'll find, in what appears to be a list of options, one that
is
PACKSPACK. It's at col 6953 of the DETERSE MODULE, dated 5/21/97
...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Jones
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:27 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
Doesn't the IBM VM 2nd level support group want sites to send
them VM dumps that have been compressed by TERSE? Perhaps at
one time you had a file
Regards,
Richard Schuh
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:38 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
17, 2008 10:38 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
IBM Internal Use Only
How would one consume a TERSE MODULE, anyway? Perhaps a nibble
or a byte at a time, or just swallow it whole (on an empty or full
stomach)? Would
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cc
Subject
Re: TERSE/DETERSE
I might agree with the dumps being infrequent, but too small' is a color
of a different horse.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10
16, 2008 04:44 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
Sir Dave the Generous,
Pray tell thee great Sir, wherefore might one find such a treasure as
TER=
SE
for VM? I have searched futilely over many years through deep blue
caves=
,
with torches and swords held high
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]
On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 04:44 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
Sir Dave the Generous,
Pray tell thee great Sir, wherefore might one find
Is it possible that we already have TERSE? I thought I recalled using
DETERSE with a PACK option, but I certainly don't remember where I would
have gotten the directions to do it. If you BROWSE or XEDIT the DETERSE
MODULE, you'll find, in what appears to be a list of options, one
file structure as the real TERSE program (with one additional
record that does not interfer with DETERSE).
Here are some comparisons. LOADLIB was my input file. FCOPY used the PACK
option to use its version of the leaked TERSE algorithms and HSXCOPY used
the TERSout option. All programs
So, why not try it then and see what it yields.
2008/12/17 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu
Is it possible that we already have TERSE? I thought I recalled using
DETERSE with a PACK option, but I certainly don't remember where I would
have gotten the directions to do it. If you BROWSE
TERSE dumps.
They tell you to COPYFILE (PACK it. If you want to send it to your
neighborhood z/OS and terse it over there before sending it to us, go
ahead. Honestly, it's hard for us to spend time worrying about TERSE when
there are other options for file compression. Finally, DETERSE
Subject
Re: TERSE/DETERSE
We don't really need an offical TERSE program from IBM.
We can use the less than offical, unsupported HSX package from the IBM
Downloads website. The HSXCOPY program that is included in it has a TERSo
ut
option that uses the same TERSE algorithms (somebody leaked
: TERSE/DETERSE
Wow, that's a pretty convincing argument (at least for that
particular file, dumps may be different) to just use COPYFILE
(PACK -- something everyone already has. I wonder (and my
test) how it handles CP and VMDUMP files?
If it holds true for most other files, I'd have
41995 10499 -- Ouch! Why
doesn't L2 even SUGGEST VMARC or HSXCOPY?
CPDUMP DETERSED E1 F 4096 21208 18625
CPDUMP UNPACKED E1 F 4096 21208 18625
DETERSE on VM properly unpacked the DUMP that was TERSEd on TSO and sent
to VM, as is shown by the FileType name
: TERSE/DETERSE
OK, here are the compression results from a real CP DUMP. I
sent the dump to z/OS, ran AMATERSE,PARM=PACK on it (AMATERSE
created it by default with LRECL=1024, BLKSIZE=6144,
RECFM=FB). I then sent TERSEd file to VM for comparison.
The results sorted by blocks
On Wednesday, 12/17/2008 at 06:39 EST, Mike Walter
mike.wal...@hewitt.com wrote:
Why doesn't L2 even SUGGEST VMARC or HSXCOPY?
Because they aren't part of the product and not everyone is allowed to
install them.
So... based on that limited test conducted on a real, live CP DUMP: I
will
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:38 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: TERSE/DETERSE
OK, here are the compression results from a real CP DUMP. I sent the dump
to z/OS, ran AMATERSE,PARM=PACK on it (AMATERSE created it by default with
LRECL=1024, BLKSIZE=6144, RECFM=FB). I then sent
Hi, Florian.
Yes, there is a VM version of the TERSE/DETERSE utilities. On z/VM 5.4, the DETERSE module
is found on MAINT's 5E5 disk. I think you can download the TERSE module for VM from an IBM
web site.
Florian Bilek wrote:
Dear all,
Under z/OS there exists a Terse Program to make
IBM release at least one version of TERSE. When we used Publication Maste
r,
we found DZATERSE MODULE and HELPCMS. It worked rather nicely to compress
some large files for online archive. The normal DETERSE program worked fi
ne
to uncompress these files later.
/Tom Kern
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03
Sir Dave the Generous,
Pray tell thee great Sir, wherefore might one find such a treasure as TER
SE
for VM? I have searched futilely over many years through deep blue caves
,
with torches and swords held high and low. This prize has always eluded
mere mortals without close ties to IBM. Be
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. It would be much nicer if the electronic delivery method used by
shopzSeries were the same as that used for delivery of a PTF. It would
be much better if we could FTP the files directly to our VM systems.
I'd be
I think it would be a great idea.
Crispin Hugo
Systems Programmer
Macro 4
This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Email
Security Service and the Macro 4 plc internal virus protection
Asked innocently: and the problem with ordering PTFs via IBMLink is?
I download PTFs from IBMLink directly from a CMS userid all the time.
During the last CAVMEN meeting, while sitting in the back of the room, I
downloaded and applied (to a 2nd level test system) the latest z/VM 530
RSU, and
: DETERSE
On Wednesday, 04/09/2008 at 06:35 EDT, Schuh, Richard
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
3. It would be much nicer if the electronic delivery method used by
shopzSeries were the same as that used for delivery of a
PTF. It would
be much better if we could FTP the files directly to our
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:03 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:34 AM, Schuh, Richard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. It would be much nicer if the electronic delivery
method used
/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:26 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE
Asked innocently: and the problem with ordering PTFs via IBMLink is?
I download PTFs from IBMLink directly from a CMS userid all
It is not put on the same server, you are given no indication of how
to
get to it. The naming conventions are different. Instead, you are
given
the choice of either DownloadDirector (which does not seem to be
functional, even though it stores something unusable on your disk and
says it
to
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
To
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
cc
Subject
Re: DETERSE
And that type of delivery is exactly what I would like to see. To be
sure, if given the address of the shopzSeries FTP site and an id and
password I could use, then we would only have
was younger.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:44 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE
And I'll ask again:
...and the problem
-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE
I have no problem ordering individual PTFs. In this case, I started at
IBMLINK, followed the bouncing ball through
Much better. Thanks, Alan.
However, the DETERSE comments still hold.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:21 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject
What reasons does DETERSE have to end with a return code of 1001 and no
message, whatsoever? This is really helpful from a necessary utility
that has/is no HELP.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
F
with LRECL 1024.
Original message
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 23:22:31 +0300 (IDT)
From: Shimon Lebowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DETERSE
To: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
I think I remember getting errors when the input
file format and/or lrecl
Of Shimon Lebowitz
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:23 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE
I think I remember getting errors when the input file format
and/or lrecl were wrong.
Sorry I do not remember what right is.
Shimon
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Date: Wed, 9
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shimon Lebowitz
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:28 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DETERSE
AHA!!
See this in the archives:
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0108L=IBMVMP=R
4389I=-3X=1C92616CD0C12A1458Y=shimonl%40iname.com
(as always
Mystery solved. The file that would not DETERSE was indeed corrupt. It
had been transferred to my pc using the DownloadDirector. I used HTTPS
in yet one more trial and that file did pass muster.
Now for a little complaining:
1. It is really bad form to require the use of an undocumented utility
On Wednesday, 04/09/2008 at 06:35 EDT, Schuh, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
3. It would be much nicer if the electronic delivery method used by
shopzSeries were the same as that used for delivery of a PTF. It would
be much better if we could FTP the files directly to our VM systems.
What
Has anyone had any problems using DETERSE on z/VM 5.2? This
is what Im getting:
deterse vptf4185 bin z um31619 servlink a ( replace
Ready(01001); T=0.01/0.01 16:42:02
TIA - Don
What's the LRECL of the file you're trying to DETERSE?
I use VMDPACK, which does a DETERSE plus some other things. No, I don't know
I haven't studied the code.
Regards,
Steve G.
Hooker, Don - OIT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
06/07/2006
Thanks, Marcy. I was trying use a pipe to deblock it, but
wasnt getting it right.
Your pipe worked like a charm and I was able to deterse the PTFs.
Thanks very much.
Don
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