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Long ago (long enough that communication with service machines was via
punch files), a
ating System
> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling
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> Yes - as you parentheticall
I must be getting old, as I can't remember a single
time I accidently told a production system to close
up the shop. Maybe it was starting out as an
operator in a commercial data center with many paying
customers using RJE around the clock, then TSO was
added to the mix. But I learned UNIX well b
No one has yet mentioned the origianl TCPIP package which included
sample DIRECT statements for each machine and these samples included
CLASS A for each machine.
The command to end SMTP is CP SM SMTP SHUTDOWN.
I was logged onto the SMTP machine for debugging and I entered the
SHUTDOWN command inc
Long ago (long enough that communication with service machines was via punch
files), a site had a similar SVM for executing privileged commands on behalf of
suitably authorized users. Just for grins, when he needed to shut down the
system, one of them did it via command to the SVM. Problem was,
"James A. Bohnsack" wrote :-
> I've accidentally shutdown the main production system "once",
> as has every systems programmer with whom I worked or who
> worked for me has done.
Yes - mine was quite a silly one (although I did not actually press the
key). A very many years ago I walked into
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Does anyone give RSCS class A privileges? If so, the probably have to seek =
re-employment frequently :)
Regards,=20
Ri
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> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Phil Smith III
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> > Anyway, I was doing some maintenance to PRIV. I logged on
> and was in a CP READ. Since I didn't wa
February 05, 2010 7:46 AM
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> I've accidentally shutdown the main production system "once",
> as has every systems programmer with whom I worked or who
> worked for me has done. Only once tho. There are or
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:
> Anyway, I was doing some maintenance to PRIV. I logged on and was in a CP
> READ. Since I didn't want to take it down mid-command, I had the brilliant
> idea of doing an "SMSG * SHUTDOWN" (it was single-threaded, of course). And
> then I
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM, James A. Bohnsack wrote:
>I've accidentally shutdown the main production system "once", as has every
>systems programmer with whom I worked or who worked for me has done. Only
>once tho.
Indeed. A very, very long time ago, back at UofW, we had a machine called
ed to do that".
>
> Jim
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ou if you "really wanted to do that".
Jim
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> On: Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:34:08AM -0800,Howard Rifkind Wrote:
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> } Just curious about you comment in this post about not
> liking } to even have user maint have an ?A? class privilege.
>
> Just 40 year
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On: Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:34:08AM -0800,Howard Rifkind Wrote:
} Just curious about you
On: Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:44:34AM -0800,Schuh, Richard Wrote:
} It isn't a matter of trust, it is a matter of minimizing the risk of an
accidental SHUTDOWN. Here MAINT does not have class A; however it does have
class C. That allows it to use the SET PRIV * +A in order to issue class A
comman
Rich Greenberg wrote:
(Yes, there are other commands that are class A only, but can you even
name them much less ever used them?)
FORCE ?
--Ivan
On: Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:34:08AM -0800,Howard Rifkind Wrote:
} Just curious about you comment in this post about not liking
} to even have user maint have an ?A? class privilege.
Just 40 years of sysprogging with the occasional "O SHIT" happening.
About the only thing you lose without clas
ne must be very cautious
about granting that privilege class.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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Scott Rohling wrote:
Yes - as you parenthetically alluded to - allowing SET PRIVCLAS is a
feature you have to enable.. some customers see a command like SET
PRIVCLAS as a security breaker.. It depends on how strict and how much
'separation of duty' is built into their security policies.
Yes - as you parenthetically alluded to - allowing SET PRIVCLAS is a
feature you have to enable.. some customers see a command like SET
PRIVCLAS as a security breaker.. It depends on how strict and how much
'separation of duty' is built into their security policies. Anyone with
class C and S
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Schuh, Richard wrote:
> It isn't a matter of trust, it is a matter of minimizing the risk of an
> accidental SHUTDOWN. Here MAINT does not have class A; however it does have
> class C. That allows it to use the SET PRIV * +A in order to issue class A
> commands su
Yes, that is a very good thing (the SYSTEM operand)
We just take Shutdown out of class A and put it in X.
The use the set privclass when we actually have to use it (and that's rare
since GDPS does our shutting down).
Marcy
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>Rich,
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> Just curious abou
The other route you could take, if protection from a shutdown is the goal,
change the class of the shutdown to Z or S, and don¹t give this priv to
anyone. Use the Set Priv * +Z as part of the shutdown process.
--
Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~.
RO-OE-5-55 200 First S
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Of Howard Rifkind
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Rich,
Just curious about you comment in this post about not liking to even have user
maint have an 'A' class privilege.
Who then would you suggest having a class A privile
all the
available privileges as only the z/VM sysprogs use Maint and if you can’t trust
them then who?
--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Rich Greenberg wrote:
From: Rich Greenberg
Subject: Re: Hi everybody
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:20 PM
On: Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 06:00
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> Mario, that's an old version of VM you have running there now (as I am sure
> you already know...). I don't think it supports the CP SEND CP FTPGEST0
> CLOSE CONS command that Scott has suggested.
>
It does, but it may not support
you-can-alwa
If FTPGEST0 is a z/VM FTP server and your user ID is in the TCP/IP server's
OBEY list, you could issue:
SMSG FTPGEST0 CLOSECON
to close the console.
Regards,
Miguel Delapaz
z/VM Development
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Enviado el: jueves, 04 de febrero de 2010 18:05
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Asunto: Re: Hi everybody
Hi, Mario.
First, welcome the the group. This list is an excellent source of
information for people new to the z/VM world.
What version/level of VM are you running the
On: Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 06:00:37PM +0100,Mario Izaguirre Wrote:
} I'm login with my user-id (maiz)
} send ftpgest0 close cons
}
} HCPSEC068E SEND command failed; receiver has not authorized sender
}
} Ready(00068); T=0.01/0.01 17:58:43
You need to add the proper VM privledge class to your ID.
receiver has not authorized
> sender
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> Ready(00068); T=0.01/0.01
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> Best Regards,
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> *Mario Izaguirre*
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> Mainframe System Programmer
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> Barcelona, Spain
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> *De:* The IBM z/VM Oper
Enviado el: jueves, 04 de febrero de 2010 18:05
Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Asunto: Re: Hi everybody
Hi, Mario.
First, welcome the the group. This list is an excellent source of
information for people new to the z/VM world.
What version/level of VM are you running there now? You can very easily
ystem Programmer
Barcelona, Spain
De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] En
nombre de Scott Rohling
Enviado el: jueves, 04 de febrero de 2010 17:53
Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Asunto: Re: Hi everybody
It's the current console log... and what you see is normal.
If l
frame System Programmer
Barcelona, Spain
De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] En
nombre de Scott Rohling
Enviado el: jueves, 04 de febrero de 2010 17:53
Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Asunto: Re: Hi everybody
It's the current console log... and what you see
It's the current console log... and what you see is normal.
If logged onto it: CLOSE CONS and then TRANSFER PRT ALL TO *
If this is another userid:
CP SEND CP FTPGEST0 CLOSE CONS
CP TRANSFER FTPGETS0 PRT ALL TO *
Scott
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Mario Izaguirre wrote:
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> Hi, I’m
Hi, I'm new in this forum, and new in VM/ESA,, I have a question:
1. I see the user-id rdr with command:
q prt ftpgest0 all
ORIGINID FILE CLASS RECORDS CPY HOLD DATE TIME NAME TYPE
DIST
FTPGEST0 3115 Q CON 00196180 001 NONE OPEN- 0009
FTPCONSO
Ready; T=
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