Alan / David / Adam,
Thanks for your responses - it would seem that my understanding of the
rules is not at odds with yours and that such a strategy is at least
acceptable from a legal / contractural standpoint.
Support of old DASD geometries was my specific thought - but I love the
idea of,
NO you can not run VM - any version - under
Hercules.
Now, this is one of those, But why would you want to do this? questions
,
but howabout running z/VM in a Hercules that was itself running under
Linux in a virtual machine that was being delivered using the same z/VM a
s
was running,
On Wednesday, 10/18/2006 at 08:19 EST, Jeff Gribbin, EDS
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but howabout running z/VM in a Hercules that was itself running under
Linux in a virtual machine that was being delivered using the same z/VM
as
was running, down there - and is, of course, properly and fully
but howabout running z/VM in a Hercules that was itself running
under
Linux in a virtual machine that was being delivered using the same
z/VM
as
was running, down there - and is, of course, properly and fully
licensed.
It's been done.
Not wisely, but too well... 8-)
Not entirely
Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] or his evil twin wrote:
snip
Software: 87% profit on 17% of total revenue
Hardware: 35% profit on 27% of total revenue
Sevices: 52% profit on 26% of total revenue
Now we know why IBM stock is in trouble: they're only doing 70% of revenue each
year!
...phsiii
Well, you can run VM/370, and MVS 3.8j and OS/360
variants (MVT MFT).
From what I understand, they were free and
unencumbered by any
license. I don't even know if they were copyrighted.
I have only studied VM/370 in details, and the base OS
simply contains no copyright statements. At the
. 40441
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As an aside, this is also true of MS Windows - just
ask them
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Hello
From the IBM stand, NO you can not run
Don't forget DOS.
Steve G.
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God knows
These and most of the other early software from IBM was released in both
source and compiled form under a public domain license. This was
before any of the open source licenses existed. When the courts told
IBM they could not give away software, IBM came up with program products
and started
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IBM's use of Linux is going
back to where they started.
Sorry, Stephen, but could you elaborate more on this? I'm not sure what
you're driving at.
Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
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On Friday, 10/06/2006 at 12:19 EST, Stephen P. Frazier
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When I started with computers in 1968, IBM sold very good hardware, gave
away the software, and charged for education and support. They became
rich on that model.
Now, IBM is going to a model where they make good hardware (z9) that
runs a free OS (Linux) very well and they charge for
On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Edward M. Martin wrote:
From the IBM stand, NO you can not run VM - any version - under
Hercules.
I call BS on this statement.
You can run VM/370r6 as much as you want. It is in the public domain.
Adam
: Question re: Hercules
On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Edward M. Martin wrote:
From the IBM stand, NO you can not run VM - any version -
under
Hercules.
I call BS on this statement.
You can run VM/370r6 as much as you want. It is in the public domain.
Adam
On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Edward M. Martin wrote:
From the IBM stand, NO you can not run VM - any version - under
Hercules.
Also, because it's Friday:
Someone should teach those IBMmers the difference between can and
may.
Adam
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I think the fact that the original OS/360 and VM/370 were, like Linux,
open source with a lot of community involvement in their development.
Something that the z/... operating systems lack. I understand why, from
IBM's
Title: RE: Question re: Hercules
But what good is PLX source if the PLX compileir is a national secret?
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will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi
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On Oct 6, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Edward M
On Oct 6, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Gregg C Levine wrote:
Hello!
Agreed! That's what I have here at the moment. There are other
reasons,
besides the obvious. Those individuals who would like to know why
please
feel free to contact me off list.
Adam were you thinking of me when you posted that?
I have just obtained a P390 and a copy of z/VM 3.1 from a company that
purchased the licence a long time ago. As I now own the licence and it i
s
now unsupported can I run it on Hercules ?
Brgds
Dave
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I have just obtained a P390 and a copy of z/VM 3.1 from a
company
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I have just obtained a P390 and a copy of z/VM 3.1 from a company that
purchased the licence a long time ago. As I now own the licence and it
is
now unsupported can I run it on Hercules ?
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No, but I did teach the IBM classes that trained the resellers on the
P/390. R/390 and Integrated Server. These systems were somewhat
special
in that they utilized a special license, the ESL. (Generally called the
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