Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-15 Thread Dave Jones
This is drifting a bit off topic, but the IBM PC/AT-G, and PC/AT-GX (I think that's correct, the "G" was for Graphics) were very popular in the oil & gas business in the late 80s, early 90s...they were dual headed bocks that ran GDDM-PCLK (PC link) and GDDM had support for developing interestin

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-15 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 8/15/06, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's safe to say that GDDM, as good as it was in it's day, is a thing of the past now. But I still use it occasionally here, and the the IBM PCOMM3270 emulator supports it and it's two separate graphics formats just fine. When I was you

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-15 Thread Dave Jones
I think it's safe to say that GDDM, as good as it was in it's day, is a thing of the past now. But I still use it occasionally here, and the the IBM PCOMM3270 emulator supports it and it's two separate graphics formats just fine. DJ A. Harry Williams wrote: On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:28:17 -0400

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-15 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:28:17 -0400 David Boyes said: >Even bigger problem is finding a tn3270 client that understands 3270 >graphics (at least for Windows -- thank you Brown University for the Mac >tn3270!) >(yes, I know GDDM does more than 3270, but it's hard to justify the >other devices if you c

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-15 Thread David Boyes
Even bigger problem is finding a tn3270 client that understands 3270 graphics (at least for Windows -- thank you Brown University for the Mac tn3270!) (yes, I know GDDM does more than 3270, but it's hard to justify the other devices if you can't preview the output before you send it off to them...

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-15 Thread Bill Bitner
Remember that GDDM is only one option. As was mentioned, the browser interface is another way to do graphics, though non-technical reasons make that a non-option for some cases. Bill Bitner Jim Bohnsack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I think a bigger problem with requiring GDDM is that the use of i

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-15 Thread Jim Bohnsack
I think a bigger problem with requiring GDDM is that the use of it has fallen so much due to the PC connected "terminals". GDDM was great when it was the best way to get a nice looking graph or chart. Requiring GDDM now makes about as much sense as requiring real, not virtual card input. I s

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-14 Thread Dave Jones
I would suggest that you take a look at the suite of VM (and Linux!) performance products offered by Velocity Software (http://www.velocitysoftware.com/). I can recommends them highly. While GDDM can produce nice looking plots of performance data, a problem with it is that it is not licensed f

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-14 Thread =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ted_Lewis?=
We (at NY State) have the same issues with our Network Group on enabling browser based access. At best non-responsive. In any case... We also run OMEGAMON to extract performance data (another Group). I do have acces to that, however we (the VM Systems Programmers) want to have a separate means of

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-14 Thread Thomas Kern
Implementing the Web interface would require approval from our network security people who regularly abuse the open port to find out if this software is a) spying on us, b) providing a portal for every eigth-grade hacker, or c) supplying porn for all those over-weight white men in tshir ts. It is n

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-14 Thread Eginhard Jaeger
Ted, as Thomas Kern wrote, the graphics work just as intended: I liked (and still prefer) the idea of automatically adapted scales when using the tool for performance analysis .. But I agree that for capacity planning purposes or general statistics a fixed scale is often better. The clean sol

Re: IBM z/VM 5.2 Performance Toolkit

2006-08-12 Thread Thomas Kern
My feeling is that the graphics in the Performance Toolkit satisfy the interests of the original author. If you want more, you need to go to a real graphics package. GDDM comes to mind, but so do some vague unpleasant memories, but I do think that dual scales (a left hand scale for CPU and a right