[IceHorses] Marion Hood

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Peterson
Robyn, The picture of your mother astride the vintage mare really struck a cord for me. That photo, now framed, hangs on my wall and the walls of several friends over 65 who also hope to be able to mount a horse for another decade -- we could never hope to look so good in the saddle as she at 93.

Re: [IceHorses] foxrack

2008-02-17 Thread Renee Martin
Here's a page from Liz's website where she discusses the "foxrack" and has pictures. http://www.lizgraves.com/SchoolofRack.pdf It's interesting. . . I think I'm still inclined to call it simply a foxtrot variation because the difference between the two gaits seems so slight/insignificant (diagona

Re: [IceHorses] Appreciation

2008-02-17 Thread Ferne Fedeli
Thanks so much for the beautiful video, Judy. It brought tears to my eyes. I know I sometimes forget to thank people and will try to be better about it in the future! Ferne

Re: [IceHorses] foxrack

2008-02-17 Thread Renee Martin
Liz Graves talk about Skjoni's fox rack: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YaEYC0nV4aA I know Liz called what Skjoni was doing a foxrack, but I'm not so sure she meant it as a distinct gait or a way of describing a few steps of transition.I saw Skjoni alternating between a running walk and a foxtrot

Re: [IceHorses]TShoeing only the rear

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
Thanks Steph. I missed a whole year or so of Ridecamp when John Teeter decided not to struggle with AOL. I couldn't get it again until we finally got broadband. Here in Oregon I see some folks shoeing just in front, but I've ever heard of anyone shoeing only the rear. But I only know NW

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Stephanie Caldwell
On 2/17/08, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only thing I can think of is that one individual endurance horse was > wearing his hind feet more than his front. Otherwise, this is nothing I > have ever heard of or read about. There will, however, be some sort of > exception to everyt

Re: [IceHorses] RIP Rich N Shiny 2004-2008: Please deworm your horses

2008-02-17 Thread kim shumaker
I > can not imagine not deworming and I can't see why > some people don't > rotate. Country Supply, Horse.Com, has a Premium > deworming pack (six > deworming tubes of three rotation) for only thirty > some dollars. Thanks for giving us all this reminder. You can check with your vet to see

Re: [IceHorses] RIP Rich N Shiny 2004-2008: Please deworm your horses

2008-02-17 Thread Raven
>> A carrier horse had come to the barn and infected the other horses before we figured it out. Doesn't the barn quarantine a new horse ?? >> Tater was humanely euthinized. What a shame to loss a horse to worm overload. How sad. <;p[ Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, t

[IceHorses] synchronized fillies

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
I don't remember if I ever sent this link to the list. Tifa, the bay, was born about 12 hours before her half-sister, Kola. There's a little canter at the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFviV0fXAuE Karen Thomas, NC

[IceHorses] Canter videos

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
Someone said that it's hard for Icelandic's to canter, but I don't agree. I think it's hard sometimes for the very PACEY horses to canter, but most Icelandics I know seem to canter just fine. Remember however, that none of my Icelandic's have been trained to pace, nor were they trained from th

Re: [IceHorses] RIP Rich N Shiny 2004-2008: Please deworm your horses

2008-02-17 Thread Lynn Kinsky
On Feb 17, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Janice McDonald wrote: > a lot of people on here think you dont need to rotate buy hey, I'm > with you, what could it hurt?? I worm mine every two months, > rotating. I even worm my chickens and other fowl. I have to here, I > am in a wormy part of the us... > Janic

Re: [IceHorses] O/T - SWIM ANYONE??

2008-02-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>A friend checked this out on Snopes. Apparently it IS true though the >aligator is only (only...ha) 13 to 14 feet long. I think I'm glad I have >cougars >>Cougars? 'Gators? You North Americans just think you have ALL the >>problems, don't you? Look what we have to put up with in Wales

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> The only thing I can think of is that one individual endurance horse was >>> wearing his hind feet more than his front. Otherwise, this is nothing I >>> have ever heard of or read about. There will, however, be some sort of >>> exception to everything. Ok, I feel better if you didn't see

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Janice McDonald
when nasi was a two year old and not gelded, a woman who owned a grade quarter horse mare with such pigeon toes she has to have special shoes just to walk, asked if she could breed her mare to him. ??!?!? I was floored. janice

Re: [IceHorses] Off-topic: Maggie

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> I'm glad Maggie is alright! That must have been so traumatic for >>> everyone! It was horrible for me, and I'm sure it was worse for her. Cary was out of town that day (NOT a great Valentine's day for me...) but even he was pretty shook up just hearing about it. He's been checking and

Re: [IceHorses] RIP Rich N Shiny 2004-2008: Please deworm your horses

2008-02-17 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 17/02/2008, JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mass of worms in his small intestine. When the owner was asked about > deworming, she said that she had not dewormed him since he had come > to our barn, about ten months ago. That's a shame. I read once that about 99% of colics are due to a worm lo

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
> > Well, I know one EX-stallion who certainly could... :) Yes, I had the same thought about the stallion who sired the three Icelandic mares we know. He's a nice gelding now, living not far from us although I have never gone to see him. Every one of has said we'd buy him if he is ever for s

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
> > > Why would endurance horses wear their back feet differently than other > trail > horses? The only thing I can think of is that one individual endurance horse was wearing his hind feet more than his front. Otherwise, this is nothing I have ever heard of or read about. There will, howeve

Re: [IceHorses] foxrack

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
I'm sorry the quality of the sound isn't better, but here you can hear Liz Graves talk about Skjoni's fox rack: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YaEYC0nV4aA As is typical of YouTube resolution, you may not be able to cleanly freeze-frame it to see it phase by phase. Karen Thomas, NC

Re: [IceHorses] RIP Rich N Shiny 2004-2008: Please deworm your horses

2008-02-17 Thread Janice McDonald
a lot of people on here think you dont need to rotate buy hey, I'm with you, what could it hurt?? I worm mine every two months, rotating. I even worm my chickens and other fowl. I have to here, I am in a wormy part of the us... Janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
>>>Angela said that she was told that endurance horses may wear their back >>>feet more than their front and that some compete with boots on the front >>>and shoes on the back, so maybe that is the explanation, rather than that >>>the racking or stepping pacing that these horses do is causing ex

[IceHorses] RIP Rich N Shiny 2004-2008: Please deworm your horses

2008-02-17 Thread JR
At the barn I board my two horses, there was another outbreak of Strangles. Three horses had come down with Strangles last year when we vaccinated and several came down with it a month ago. Since we always have horses coming and going, it is very important to keep our horses up to date on eve

Re: [IceHorses] Tosca's in demand

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> The one common thing that I have seen is that effective trainers start >>> their horses slowly. If you have the right horse, the speed is there. >>> If you don't, then the horse needs a different job anyway. There are >>> way more homes waiting for quiet well-trained saddle horses than the

Re: [IceHorses] foxrack

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
I finally got a chance to look up this term in Lee Ziegler's book. For anyone else who may be wanting more information, there is one reference and explanation of the term on page 135. I found Lee's passage about it quite helpful in understanding what the "foxrack" was

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
The best way to tell is to ride the candidate stallion yourself. Or you could do what I did: buy the stallion, train him yourself with a little help, stare at him at liberty in agonizing detail for two years, ride him, take endless still pictures and videos of him under saddle and at libe

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
I would like to see that a stallion can gait without mechanical aids. No shoes, no boots, no saddle, no bit, no pulling on the mouth, no rider leaning back. Do we have stallions in the breed that can do that? Well, I know one EX-stallion who certainly could... :) I also

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
> > Angela said that she was told that > endurance horses may wear their back feet more than their front and > that some compete with boots on the front and shoes on the back, so > maybe that is the explanation, rather than that the racking or > stepping pacing that these horses do is causing ext

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Judy Ryder
> http://iceryder.net/videogait3horses.html Judy of the gaitedhorse list said: "What caught my eye, was the statement that these horses wear rear shoes because racking horses wear down their rear feet so fast. Now, my fox trotters tend to wear their rear shoes faster than front because of the

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Judy Ryder
>>Do you think you can create a pictorial story of his training for us > I would, but I'm not the one training him - he grew up with me, but > belongs to a friend who is 5 hours drive away. Darn! I think we know how the icelandic-style training goes along, and we've had a lot of articles, pict

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Insulin Resistance

2008-02-17 Thread Ann Cassidy
> Yes, sometimes one is faced with selecting the lesser of two evils. It's > not an easy decision to go against a horse's natural desires, but in the > case of a horse that you KNOW will founder on the grass, it's the only > humane choice IMO. I *could* try Rocky back on grass since he's on t

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Mic Rushen
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:10:03 -0500, you wrote: >why can't they artifically inseminate? Cost - far more expensive than the local gypsy cob. And the nearest Exmoor stallion is only 70 miles away!!! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen ---

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Mic Rushen
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:02:10 -0800, you wrote: >Do you think you can create a pictorial story of his training for us, as it >goes >along? I would, but I'm not the one training him - he grew up with me, but belongs to a friend who is 5 hours drive away. I'll certainly take pics next time I see hi

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Mic Rushen
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:50:10 -0800, you wrote: >Wouldn't that horse be too big for an Exmoor mare? This one is about 13.2hh - the mare is 12.1hh, so not too unreasonable, I suppose. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen -

Re: [IceHorses] O/T - SWIM ANYONE??

2008-02-17 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 17/02/2008, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cougars? 'Gators? You North Americans just think you have ALL the > problems, don't you? Look what we have to put up with in Wales! > > Mic I guess I forgot about our badgers...they eat ground squirrels for breakfast..whether they're packi

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Lynn Kinsky
On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Judy Ryder wrote: > > >> I choose a stallion who, himself, has very good conformation. >> I put evidence of athleticism on the stallion's part as a prime >> requirement. >> Another prime thing is disposition ... look for stallions that throw >> "calmness" > > Good list

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Bia
> No, not yet - when I told her she couldn't use ours, she said she > thought the Exmoor stallion was too far away and said she would > probably use a local piebald cob ("Irish Tinker") instead > Mic why can't they artifically inseminate?

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Judy Ryder
> Yes, definitely. Here's a young stallion. He's just been started under > saddle (no pix yet) and is really easy gaits-wise with a nice > temperament. Do you think you can create a pictorial story of his training for us, as it goes along? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Judy Ryder
> thought the Exmoor stallion was too far away and said she would > probably use a local piebald cob ("Irish Tinker") instead Wouldn't that horse be too big for an Exmoor mare? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

[IceHorses] Re: Insulin Resistance

2008-02-17 Thread Renee Martin
>. . . We can keep them up in "starvation lots" and control every bite they get, but gosh, that's got to be so mentally stressful for them. . . .< Yes, sometimes one is faced with selecting the lesser of two evils. It's not an easy decision to go against a horse's natural desires, but in the c

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Mic Rushen
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:21:04 -0800, you wrote: >Oh, wow! Any idea what she ended up doing? No, not yet - when I told her she couldn't use ours, she said she thought the Exmoor stallion was too far away and said she would probably use a local piebald cob ("Irish Tinker") instead [growl] Mic

[IceHorses] foxrack

2008-02-17 Thread Renee Martin
I finally got a chance to look up this term in Lee Ziegler's book. For anyone else who may be wanting more information, there is one reference and explanation of the term on page 135. I found Lee's passage about it quite helpful in understanding what the "foxrack" was exactly and how to think of

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Judy Ryder
> I had a lady phone me the other day who has a registered Exmoor mare. > Exmoors are really rare, on the endangered list. > No thought of gaits/temperament/use of the offspring etc, Oh, wow! Any idea what she ended up doing? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] How To Pick A Stallion

2008-02-17 Thread Judy Ryder
> I choose a stallion who, himself, has very good conformation. >I put evidence of athleticism on the stallion's part as a prime >requirement. >Another prime thing is disposition ... look for stallions that throw >"calmness" Good list, Lynn! I would like to see that a stallion can gait withou

Re: [IceHorses] O/T - SWIM ANYONE??

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
I shall keep my TWH away from the computer. He's already convinced squirrels are dangerous. Nancy

RE: [IceHorses] Off-topic: Maggie

2008-02-17 Thread kim shumaker
> Connie, the female setter, > seemed particularly > worried about "the baby." > > > Karen Thomas, NC > I'm glad Maggie is alright! That must have been so traumatic for everyone! Kim Looking for l

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Judy Ryder
>> http://iceryder.net/videogait3horses.html >> > Well, I am not good at identifying rack/saddle rack/tolt but these > ponies all look like they are pacing to me. Good job! It's stepping pace in each case. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Tosca's in demand

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
The most common > comment I heard from the judges (in the videos where I can understand what > the judge is saying...)? Needs more speed...not fast enough... needs more > lift...canter not fast enough...yada, yada... Most of the horses look > nervous and rushed to me as they are, and way too man

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
> > I didn't quite "get" a lot about that video. Boy me too. In fact, I didn't watch the entire thing. For some reason it was really bothering me. As for speeds. My grandson rides with a GPS sometimes. Hunter flat walks at 6 mph very eaily and just flows along. Juniors are required to ride

Re: [IceHorses] Tosca's in demand

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
This is a nice recognition of Tosca's phlegmatic Icelandic temperment - says something for her 1/4 Peruvian DNA too. Or maybe they just thing her stocky little body makes a good roadblock. Good girl! Honestly, I think the vast majority of Icelandic's are like that - IF they h

re:[IceHorses] O/T - SWIM ANYONE??

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
>>>A friend checked this out on Snopes. Apparently it IS true though the aligator is only (only...ha) 13 to 14 feet long. I think I'm glad I have cougars :). One other slightly incorrect detail in that e-mail: the gator wasn't in Florida. Nope, he was near the Georgia/SC border, near Savann

Re: [IceHorses] Tough times

2008-02-17 Thread Susan McKenney
On Feb 15, 2008 9:35 AM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a tough week in our family. Gee Laree, that sounds really hard. I know you have a lot of support from your family and friends. Let's get together soon. Sue

Re: [IceHorses] Three Gaited Ponies

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
> http://iceryder.net/videogait3horses.html What gait(s) are these > ponies doing? >> Well, I am not good at identifying rack/saddle rack/tolt but these ponies >> all look like they are pacing to me. I didn't quite "get" a lot about that video. I couldn't get it to freeze-frame ea

RE: [IceHorses] Off-topic: Maggie

2008-02-17 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> What a scare. Glad she is okay, it can be amazing how animals can get themselves caught in places that they don't fit That kennel gate opened into the fenced backyard. The gate swings opens back into the kennel, away from the backyard. We're almost positive that she couldn't have pull

Re: [IceHorses] Tosca's in demand

2008-02-17 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 17/02/2008, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a nice recognition of Tosca's phlegmatic Icelandic temperment - > says something for her 1/4 Peruvian DNA too. Or maybe they just thing her > stocky little body makes a good roadblock. Ah...she's making a name for herself. Quite an

[IceHorses] Tosca's in demand

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
I had two people ask me yesterday if Tosca could be the voice of reason next week on trail rides. One horse is an older Arab gelding that got hurt last summer. His owner wants to take him on a short sane ride as a possible return to light work. The second horse is a young Arab gelding that ha

Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie

2008-02-17 Thread Wanda Lauscher
We're looking at replacing Marty and Jenni. I can't bear not having a dog out in the yard with me when I'm out...especially now that we KNOW we have a cougar in the area. It's comforting to have another pair of eyes and ears out there with me. Marty always remained safe simply because he stayed

Re: [IceHorses] O/T - SWIM ANYONE??

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
Oh gee. That would keep me out of the water. Yuck! Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie

2008-02-17 Thread Nancy Sturm
Wet, she really resembles out poodle Beazie, who topped out at 6 lbs and lived to be almost 17. I miss having a tiny dog, but I think we'll wait until we don't have quite so many big dogs. Dorie, the Australian Shepherd, is 14 1/2. Maybe she'll keep perking along until she's 17, but that's u

Re: [IceHorses] O/T Sophie

2008-02-17 Thread Wanda Lauscher
On 16/02/2008, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ohmigosh. She is so cute. How much does she weigh? > > Nancy She's due for shots again next week so I will know exactly then. But at 8 weeks she was 2 lbs. I would guess now that she's about 3 or 4 lbs. But like Peppy, she doesn't reali

RE: [IceHorses] Re: Tough times

2008-02-17 Thread Robyn Hood
> On Feb 15, 2008 9:35 AM, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's been a tough week in our family. > > Laree, > What a terrible week you have had! My thoughts and prayers are with you. Robyn Hood