Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit

2008-05-01 Thread Laree Shulman
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the race track industry sees benefit in switching to synthetic surfaces which are less concussive on the horse's legs for long-term soundness Turf experts have been sent to Hong Kong to get the best footing for the

Re: [IceHorses] Kentucky International Equine Summit

2008-05-01 Thread Mic Rushen
On Thu, 1 May 2008 12:18:44 -0700, you wrote: Turf experts have been sent to Hong Kong to get the best footing for the Equestrian Olympics: It's *almost* kind of funny - the horses will have perfect footing while they die of pollution and smog inhalation Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen

Re: [IceHorses] Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think we have such people because I've looked and haven't found any. I did find a local Koi farm and I think I'll contact the owner--he sells pond lilies, and other pond supplies. Maybe he can tell me what

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I put a lawn chair in the middle of the garden, took some old jeans and a shirt and stuffed them with straw and went and bought one of those Mylar balloons with a smiley face - never had a problem again - the balloon

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it occurred to me: When it becomes winter and your pond freezes over, you can have your own icetolts. SNORT! (Sorry, couldn't resist. . . . ) Well, actually I had thought to make a joke about that but then figured

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Susan Coombes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Growing vegetables is great fun. You do need a sense of humor though as you won't be the only ones eating the produce! You just have to try growing carrots. The directions are always on seed packets. Potatoes and beans are

Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day

2008-05-01 Thread Janice McDonald
every time I have ever started a horse or rode one the first time, i hust had a feeling... later on I would think holey moley what was i thinking, but it just felt right at the time. I have felt for quite a while nasi would have no problem if I wanted to get on him, but i dont want a lot of

Re: [IceHorses] nasi's big day

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
I'm quite sure that if you do, I am the only one who wont profit off it haha Well Janice, dear, haven't you ever heard of agents? It wasn't you that was intended to benefit from this marketing strategy. But you would be famous. Nancy

[IceHorses] Doppa and Mura

2008-05-01 Thread Laree Shulman
Well, I think that Doppa and Mura have finally completed the last step to becoming BFF - this morning they were doing some mutual grooming which they have never done before - I guess the shedding itchies is getting to both of them. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
So in this zen moment, I put a sidepull on him, and jumped on bareback. Well, I probably won't be doing that, but I did put a sidepull on Yrsa the other night. Being a traditionalist, I have always done my ground driving with a snaffle bit. Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull?

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Laree Shulman
Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? Nancy If your horse responds well to it - no reason not to all - I prefer it. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion,

Re: [IceHorses] Kim's big day (was nasi's big day)

2008-05-01 Thread Karen Thomas
Exactly. And I think for most on this list, that's a goal that is often met.I think too, that's why some folks have felt so comfortable letting kids be the ones do the first few rides. It's just a non-event for the well-prepped horse, and their trusted person is right there -- as

Re: [IceHorses] Liablity...

2008-05-01 Thread Karen Thomas
In NC there was a very similar case, where a horse stepped in a small hole in the arena while a potential buyer was trying a horse to buy - the horse stumbled, fell and the riders leg had a compound fracture. The plaintiff in that case won because they proved that the barn owner knew the

Re: [IceHorses] Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Janice McDonald
you need some geese V! I got five baby geese needing homes! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Fish in Water Tank

2008-05-01 Thread Pat Grimmer
It is a sinking water heater that uses standard electrical power. It sits on the bottom of the water tank. I was worried that the fish would get to cose to it, but apparently they were able to discern how close was safe and stayed away from it. Pat G., in MN

[IceHorses] Re: Liablity... especially with children

2008-05-01 Thread Kaaren Jordan
I live in California where suing seems to be considered an alternate form of income .so when our great neighbors wanted to have their nieces/nephews come over for some supervised pony rides on th lawn, I decided to contact our insurance agent first. He told us that in Calif., the homeowners

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments / Ground Driving Bitless

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? None that I know of. If we think about it logically, and we are approaching from the paradigm of partnership, and we have done all of our preliminary work, we won't be in a position of trying or needing to control the horse from a pain

[IceHorses] Ryder Report

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
This week: http://www.thehorse.com/video/ryderreport/rr043008.wmv Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

[IceHorses] Re: What's In Your Saddle

2008-05-01 Thread Kaaren Jordan
crooked trees VS. treeless I've seen many treeless saddles pulled into assymetry by the rider as well causing impact to the structure of the horse. It usually happens quicker than with a treed saddle because of the lack of rigid structure. It is also impactful in a different way because of

Re: [IceHorses] Liablity...

2008-05-01 Thread Renee Martin
- Original Message - From: Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is a photo of my three year old neice doing a demo of bridle-less bareback riding on curly ray. no helmet or proper attire. I wanted to rea freak you guys out :) Janice! You're going to send certain list

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments / Ground Driving Bitless

2008-05-01 Thread Karen Thomas
Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? We always start ground driving with either a halter or sidepull, then gradually switch over to a bit. The sidepull-bridle combos are really nice, since they can carry a bit while you're still using the sidepull rings for the reins. Moss

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Liablity... especially with children

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
He then went on to say that private medical insurance companies try to weasel out of as much as they can if it happens on someone else's property. When I went off of Tali I got to take a 25 mile ambulance ride on a backboard to find out I had compression fractures of two vertebrae. The first

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Nancy Well, I probably won't be doing that, but I did put a sidepull on Yrsa the other night. Being a traditionalist, I have always done my ground driving with a snaffle bit. Is there any reason not to drive with a sidepull? Linda started teaching starting young horse courses for amateur

Re: [IceHorses] Re: Fish in Water Tank

2008-05-01 Thread Ashley Gallant
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that much of the North American continent has mild enough weather such that ponds and lakes don't freeze deeply enough to be useable even for ice-skating, much less strong enough to hold up the weight of a 1000-pound horse/rider pair. I just

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Ashley Gallant
--- Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some of what I see as being taught as good horsemanship is IMO very high stress training methods. It does seem to be going that way, doesn't it? Everyone wants instant results. In the last two years especially I hear more and more conversations Why aren't

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments / Good Horsemanship

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
We are just back from the fifth Expo this month and I am sorry to say that some of what I see as being taught as good horsemanship is IMO very high stress training methods. I'm sure that's what is shown at the exhibitions because who wants to watch paint dry? I think really good

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread susan cooper
--- Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: some of what I see as being taught as good horsemanship is IMO very high stress training methods. And according to the experts since it's the release that teaches,you are supposed to keep the pressure on until the horse tries. Well not me, no more!

Re: [IceHorses] Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
Oh Virginia, the geese are beautiful. It looks like an art photo. Nancy

[IceHorses] Horse Falls Off Stage / Curly Ray

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
Horse falls off stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C4ozPoI7Yc and, Janice, what did you do to Curly Ray?!?!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFZTWm4Ndk Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Janice McDonald
As soon as she stopped and took one foot forward, click, treat, and in 15 seconds we were in the water. So I am liking passive instead of pressure, and then a click/treat for doing well. that is good susan, thanks. Sometimes i feel like keeping the pressure on til they act ok then

Re: [IceHorses] Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Janice McDonald
oh my gosh!! they are so beautiful! My geese are chinese and similarly colored but different shaped. These seem so lean and elegant. I love the color tho! I was so tickled when I got home. Two of my females are white and one female is brown and white and my gander is brown and white. I was

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Susan, And according to the experts since it's the release that teaches,you are supposed to keep the pressure on until the horse tries. I presented 3 demo's at the expo and was definitely offering different information from most that was actually being taught - I showed people about the

Re: [IceHorses] Horse Falls Off Stage / Curly Ray

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
Judy, those are awful. That donkey is tiny. Nancy

Re: [IceHorses] Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My geese are chinese and similarly colored but different shaped. Send photos!!! V

Re: [IceHorses] Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
Pond photos I took this evening--trying to show the murk, etc. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=qdyrlpc.7bpb7ru0x=0y=-k3o8e3localeid=en_US V

Re: [IceHorses] Virginia's pond

2008-05-01 Thread Virginia Tupper
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Virginia, the geese are beautiful. It looks like an art photo. Nancy They are beautiful! I love to watch them. My girls don't like the geese poop though--they say it's green and yucky and all over the place! V

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Nancy Sturm
and that you can change things if something isn't working. And thank you for that! Nanc7y

Re: [IceHorses] Horse Falls Off Stage / Curly Ray

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
Judy, those are awful. That donkey is tiny. I can't imagine taking a horse on a runway! The picture of the hanging donkey has been around a lot longer than the video, so I'm assuming that this (overloading donkeys) may happen more than a few times. Judy http://iceryder.net

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread susan cooper
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes i feel like keeping the pressure on til they act ok then release, creates a power struggle! That's because that is what the experts tell us. Some horses can not take that kind of pressure. Some will fight, like Whisper, and some will

RE: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread susan cooper
--- Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad you are making such progress with your horses Susan. Thanks, Robyn! It took a change in me, not my horses. But that change is positively affecting my entire life, and not just my relationship with the horses. Susan in NV read my blog

[IceHorses] Famous horse

2008-05-01 Thread susan cooper
Go to this link, then look half way down the page to see a famous horse: http://easycareinc.typepad.com/customer_help_desk/ hehehe! ain't she purty! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/

Re: [IceHorses] Famous horse

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
see a famous horse: http://easycareinc.typepad.com/customer_help_desk/ Way cool! Pretty in pink! Here's the direct link: http://easycareinc.typepad.com/customer_help_desk/2008/05/in-the-pink-wit.html The site has some good info on barefoot:

[IceHorses] Pa fra laugarvatni

2008-05-01 Thread Anneliese Virro
Hi all: I have Pa fra Laugarvatni here at Unicorn Valley for breeding right now. He is a great stallion (a silver dapple bay) and 25 years old. So his breeding years will probably soon be over. If anyone wants to bring their mare for breeding - do it soon. We are in the middle of Kentucky.

Re: [IceHorses] Zen Moments

2008-05-01 Thread Kimberly Morton
In response to pressure. I have been experiementing with that too. I've worked with maybe, really 10 horses and mules in the last couple weeks. My friend has just adopted 4 mules, 2 very shy, two still can't be touched since they arrived. I haven't had time to work on it. Also another adopted

[IceHorses] Where to Bury a Horse

2008-05-01 Thread Judy Ryder
Where to Bury a Horse If you bury him in this spot, the secret of which you must already have, He will come to you when you call; come to you over the far, dim pastures of death. And though you ride other living horses through life, They shall not shy at him, nor resent his coming, For he

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